Zombie Official Jerami Grant trade rumors/ideas thread

[SharpesTriumph]

I'd trade Grant if we can get a couple picks. But happy to sit back and keep him until next year if we don't get a good offer.

Brogdon I'd probably accept a bit less maybe just 1 good FRP for. Or two if we take on a bad contract. He's going to be on an expiring deal in the summer and is older.

Happy to keep Brogdon too if there's no great assets offered. It's a nice position to be in that we're sellers in a market with so many buyers. But we have no urgency to get a deal done soon as both guys are great productive vets. That's just a great bargaining position to be in to extract maximum value.

If Scoot was a ROY level stud I'd be more inclined to explore Ant trades. With him looking very poor, yes in a small sample size, I'd hold off any such trades unless we're getting a haul for Ant. Scoot might ultimately be best as a career backup, and Ant might be exactly what we want at starting PG next to Shae. Too many unknowns and this team is to far away from contending to be certain about how all of our youth fits. We need more time to evaluate that, hopefully everyone gets healthy and realizes more of their long term potential.

So glad that we are in a position to explore these long term opportunities and dont have so many underperforming old vets on overpaid contracts with shitty draft picks.

 

[BankTeller]

I'd trade Grant if we can get a couple picks. But happy to sit back and keep him until next year if we don't get a good offer.

Brogdon I'd probably accept a bit less maybe just 1 good FRP for. Or two if we take on a bad contract. He's going to be on an expiring deal in the summer and is older.

Happy to keep Brogdon too if there's no great assets offered. It's a nice position to be in that we're sellers in a market with so many buyers. But we have no urgency to get a deal done soon as both guys are great productive vets. That's just a great bargaining position to be in to extract maximum value.

If Scoot was a ROY level stud I'd be more inclined to explore Ant trades. With him looking very poor, yes in a small sample size, I'd hold off any such trades unless we're getting a haul for Ant. Scoot might ultimately be best as a career backup, and Ant might be exactly what we want at starting PG next to Shae. Too many unknowns and this team is to far away from contending to be certain about how all of our youth fits. We need more time to evaluate that, hopefully everyone gets healthy and realizes more of their long term potential.

So glad that we are in a position to explore these long term opportunities and dont have so many underperforming old vets on overpaid contracts with shitty draft picks.

For me, the minimum on a Brogdon return should be a 1st, plus filler that Chicago would want so we can get our 1st back, essentially 2 1sts. Injuries closer to January will make teams more desperate, I think we’ll end up getting trading him at our intended price at the deadline.

I’m with you on Grant. Unless we find two forwards who can start that we are confident can become better than Grant, trade him. Right now, there is no such forward.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

For me, the minimum on a Brogdon return should be a 1st, plus filler that Chicago would want so we can get our 1st back, essentially 2 1sts. Injuries closer to January will make teams more desperate, I think we’ll end up getting trading him at our intended price at the deadline.

I’m with you on Grant. Unless we find two forwards who can start that we are confident can become better than Grant, trade him. Right now, there is no such forward.

We do not need to get the pick back from Chicago. There is no reason to be trading our pick in the near future and it converts to a second round pick in 2028. At best, it is never a lottery pick.

Grant would be a great fit right now in Golden State. Too bad for them we have incentive to not help. Would love to trade them for Kuminga though.

 

[wizenheimer]

We do not need to get the pick back from Chicago. There is no reason to be trading our pick in the near future and it converts to a second round pick in 2028. At best, it is never a lottery pick.

Grant would be a great fit right now in Golden State. Too bad for them we have incentive to not help. Would love to trade them for Kuminga though.

I'd imagine there's still some pretty bad blood bubbling between the two front offices...and maybe even ownership. Of course, Bob Myers isn't the Warriors GM anymore, so maybe.....

Warriors do have their 1st round picks available in 2026, 2027, 2028. But they are also looking at this, in terms of their core+:

Stephen Curry 35
Klay Thompson 33
Chris Paul 38
Draymond Green 33
Gary Payton II 31

so I'd imagine they will be real reluctant to mortgage two of those picks

as for Kuminga, I am honestly baffled how he became so highly valued in this forum. I have seen him play several times and have not been impressed. He's not a good rebounder or passer. He's not a good shooter. Look at the regression of his advanced numbers:



obviously, a small sample size this season, but the trend-lines in PER, TS%, Reb%, Ast%, Winshares, and BPM are all pointed down. And that he's under 68% as a FT shooter isn't a sign that normally points to improvements in overall shooting

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

I'd imagine there's still some pretty bad blood bubbling between the two front offices...and maybe even ownership. Of course, Bob Myers isn't the Warriors GM anymore, so maybe.....

Warriors do have their 1st round picks available in 2026, 2027, 2028. But they are also looking at this, in terms of their core+:

Stephen Curry 35
Klay Thompson 33
Chris Paul 38
Draymond Green 33
Gary Payton II 31

so I'd imagine they will be real reluctant to mortgage two of those picks

as for Kuminga, I am honestly baffled how he became so highly valued in this forum. I have seen him play several times and have not been impressed. He's not a good rebounder or passer. He's not a good shooter. Look at the regression of his advanced numbers:

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obviously, a small sample size this season, but the trend-lines in PER, TS%, Reb%, Ast%, Winshares, and BPM are all pointed down. And that he's under 68% as a FT shooter isn't a sign that normally points to improvements in overall shooting

The age of the roster would be the reason for mortgaging future picks. Think they made their decision to run with this group when they resigned Green then traded for Paul. I would not be surprised if they try to make a big move before the deadline with picks plus Paul and/or Wiggins.

With Kuminga, he is still young. I can only speak for myself when saying I am not valuing him much at the moment. It would be buying low and giving him a change of scenery.

 

[wizenheimer]

With Kuminga, he is still young. I can only speak for myself when saying I am not valuing him much at the moment. It would be buying low and giving him a change of scenery.

yeah, I suspected that

I think Portland already has a Kuminga-similar player in Camara who is a better rebounder and defender; and Camara is signed for 3 seasons after this one while Kuminga only has next season before he's due a new contract

 

[blazerkor]

Jerace Wallace isn't getting any PT in Indy but I still love him. Do you think we could get Indy to send us Wallace and send Hield to the Nets who would send us a first (PHX 2025) with Jerami going to Indy?

Indy doesn't have enough actual forwards and they could use another reliable scorer who doesn't hurt their D.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Jerace Wallace isn't getting any PT in Indy but I still love him. Do you think we could get Indy to send us Wallace and send Hield to the Nets who would send us a first (PHX 2025) with Jerami going to Indy?

Indy doesn't have enough actual forwards and they could use another reliable scorer who doesn't hurt their D.

Don't know whether BRK would give up that '25 first for Hield, but yeah, if we could get Walker and a first for Grant, that sounds like a good deal to me.

 

[blazerfan11]

Jerace Wallace isn't getting any PT in Indy but I still love him. Do you think we could get Indy to send us Wallace and send Hield to the Nets who would send us a first (PHX 2025) with Jerami going to Indy?

Indy doesn't have enough actual forwards and they could use another reliable scorer who doesn't hurt their D.

Taylor Hendricks is in the G-league for Utah. He doesn't have the all-around game as Jarace, but he's a shot blocker who can hit 3-pointers.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Taylor Hendricks is in the G-league for Utah. He doesn't have the all-around game as Jarace, but he's a shot blocker who can hit 3-pointers.

Utah already has Markkanen and Collins at PF. Why would they want Grant?

 

[RR7]

Saw a suggestion some liked on RealGM that basically boiled down to

Sacramento out: Barnes, Davion, 1st
In: Grant

NYK Out: Fournier, 1st
In: Barnes, Davion

PDX Out: Grant
In: Fournier, 2 1sts.

I don't love it. I mean, more 1st is nice, but I don't think Grant is that bad of a contract, personally, and he gives us a reliable vet for when our offense gets bogged down, much the way Simon will when he returns. Yes, Scoot and Sharpe are the future, but I want them developing alongside actual NBA players, not G-League level talent.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Saw a suggestion some liked on RealGM that basically boiled down to

Sacramento out: Barnes, Davion, 1st
In: Grant

NYK Out: Fournier, 1st
In: Barnes, Davion

PDX Out: Grant
In: Fournier, 2 1sts.

I don't love it. I mean, more 1st is nice, but I don't think Grant is that bad of a contract, personally, and he gives us a reliable vet for when our offense gets bogged down, much the way Simon will when he returns. Yes, Scoot and Sharpe are the future, but I want them developing alongside actual NBA players, not G-League level talent.

If that trade were to go down, take NY out of it. Agree with you though and would pass since we do not need more low 1st round picks and it could hinder the development of our young roster.

 

[blazerfan11]

Is Grant even a "Bad Contract?" Right now he's shooting 42% on 3-pointers and getting 23 points per game.

Michael Porter Jr is a similar power forward (more rebounds, fewer free throws and points) and he's making $33.3 million this season and $35.8 million next season.

(Blue is Player Option.)

 

[Pinwheel1]

Is Grant even a "Bad Contract?"

Right now one could argue that Grant is underpaid......he is playing really well. Probably too well to sustain on offense.

 

[illmatic99]

This should work at the deadline.

To GS:
Grant
Kleber

To Dallas:
Thybulle

To POR:
Chris Paul
Kuminga
1st from Dallas.

Then work out a buyout or another move for Paul.

The guy I've been wanting to add desperately is Kuminga. He can't catch a break with Steve Kerr. Not allowed to make any mistakes and has his minutes jerked around every game so he's unable to develop. They could use some wing depth and Grant could help.

 

[BankTeller]

Is Grant even a "Bad Contract?" Right now he's shooting 42% on 3-pointers and getting 23 points per game.

Michael Porter Jr is a similar power forward (more rebounds, fewer free throws and points) and he's making $33.3 million this season and $35.8 million next season.

(Blue is Player Option.)

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I would not consider Grant a bad contract. You could argue that he will not be living up to $36.5m at 34 if he opts in, but by then, it is just an expiring contract so who cares.

The figure isn’t really what makes the contract bad, it’s the 5 years. But even then, he’s producing more than Tobias and making significantly less than the Tobias contract. So he’s not even in the top 10 for worst contracts to me. VanVleet is making $40m+ for the next 3 years.

 

[BankTeller]

This should work at the deadline.

To GS:
Grant
Kleber

To Dallas:
Thybulle

To POR:
Chris Paul
Kuminga
1st from Dallas.

Then work out a buyout or another move for Paul.

The guy I've been wanting to add desperately is Kuminga. He can't catch a break with Steve Kerr. Not allowed to make any mistakes and has his minutes jerked around every game so he's unable to develop. They could use some wing depth and Grant could help.

You’re seriously underselling Grant here…

So GS is going to get Grant for salary dumping an injured vet and a dude they barely even play? I also see Dallas having a hard time giving up a 1st for Thybulle right now when they are playing well. I wouldn’t like this at all.

If Warriors want Grant, I’d want Kuminga, CP’s salary, AND a future lightly protected 1st, ‘26 for example. We’d be giving him away if we came away with just Kuminga, imo.

 

[BankTeller]

Saw a suggestion some liked on RealGM that basically boiled down to

Sacramento out: Barnes, Davion, 1st
In: Grant

NYK Out: Fournier, 1st
In: Barnes, Davion

PDX Out: Grant
In: Fournier, 2 1sts.

I don't love it. I mean, more 1st is nice, but I don't think Grant is that bad of a contract, personally, and he gives us a reliable vet for when our offense gets bogged down, much the way Simon will when he returns. Yes, Scoot and Sharpe are the future, but I want them developing alongside actual NBA players, not G-League level talent.

Not in love with that deal honestly. The only reason I’d like this deal is if Cronin has an idea of a valuable vet that he can overpay to be a culture guy for the next couple of seasons. Otherwise, this would just a salary dump move.

The two 1sts is nice though, and from two teams you’d want 1sts from. Even after all these years of losing, they’ve really only come out with Fox, Murray, and Sabonis (at the expense of trading Hali, still a mistake imo) which still isn’t a core that can really compete imo. Knicks could be a star away from competing, but it has yet to happen still. So a top 10 protected 1st from SAC in ‘26 and a top 10 protected 1st from NYK in ‘25 are fun, but I’d be more interested in seeing if a team is willing to give up their young forward for an immediate upgrade.

 

[BankTeller]

Don't know whether BRK would give up that '25 first for Hield, but yeah, if we could get Walker and a first for Grant, that sounds like a good deal to me.

I think Hield and Brogdon should get both ‘28 and ‘30 1sts from Miami, unprotected. And they might have to do it if they want to keep up with the Bucks and Celtics this season. Philly seriously jumps them too if they can land another star for what they got from the Harden deal.

I’d love to seriously work it out with the Heat and try to make it fair for both sides. We’ve already created this huge problem in the east by trading Dame to the Bucks, and Cronin has continued to milk that situation perfectly by trading Jrue to the Celtics. The Jrue trade process was very amicable, and we came out with a great deal. Cronin literally has his fingerprints on the hierarchy of the eastern conference, that’s actually kind of crazy.

The Heat are in the thick of things with Philly and Orlando, who both just look like they have more talent. But I do think that Brogdon and Hield (and maybe other filler) in place of Lowry and/or Robinson would put them in 3rd or 4th in the conference for the next few seasons while Jimmy is still in his competing years.

 

[HansenYang]

This should work at the deadline.

To GS:
Grant
Kleber

To Dallas:
Thybulle

To POR:
Chris Paul
Kuminga
1st from Dallas.

Then work out a buyout or another move for Paul.

The guy I've been wanting to add desperately is Kuminga. He can't catch a break with Steve Kerr. Not allowed to make any mistakes and has his minutes jerked around every game so he's unable to develop. They could use some wing depth and Grant could help.

Thybulle is not allowed to be traded to Dallas until after July 2024.

Also, I think you're selling low here. You have an irrational love for Kuminga (so you're overvaluing him).

 

[HansenYang]

I would not consider Grant a bad contract. You could argue that he will not be living up to $36.5m at 34 if he opts in, but by then, it is just an expiring contract so who cares.

The figure isn’t really what makes the contract bad, it’s the 5 years. But even then, he’s producing more than Tobias and making significantly less than the Tobias contract. So he’s not even in the top 10 for worst contracts to me. VanVleet is making $40m+ for the next 3 years.

Grant is being paid fair.

Grant is scoring more points than Tobias because he has a significantly higher usage rate. Harris is producing more rebounds, assists, and has a higher TS%. Admittedly, if you ask Harris to score more, you'd likely see a slight dip in his other stats. But ultimately, they are very comparable players.

 

[BankTeller]

This would ultimately be my wet-dream deal this deadline:



Ultimately, I think everyone gets what they want. Indy keeps picking the safe players and the results are always hit and miss, case in point: Duarte. They might be content with giving up Walker and a future 1st for Grant who can help them compete now. They will still have 2 1sts to draft a valuable contributor in ‘24 before owing that obligation in ‘25. Lotto protected in ‘25, top 8 protected in ‘26, top 4 protected in ‘27, unprotected in ‘28.

For the Heat, Brogdon is instantly a 10x upgrade over Lowry. They would also get off of Robinson’s remaining 2 years after this one, AND get Hield’s bird rights. Hield, if nothing else, spaces the floor for them and has been playing undersized SF for awhile.

For us, the reward is obvious. We would get 3 cheap years of Jarace Walker, who I compare very favorably to Sochan. Lowry is an expiring, who will still be a great veteran presence for the guards at the end of the season when they should be playing the majority of the time. We would have to take on 2 years of Robinson, but I would suck it up for more picks. He is an expiring in ‘25-‘26 that is easily tradeable. Prior to the draft, this is what our draft pick reserves would sit at.

‘24: (1) POR 1st, (2) GSW 1-4p 1st, (3) CHA 2nd (I’m looking at this as a late 1st)
‘25: (4) POR 1st, (5) IND 1-14p 1st
‘26: (6) POR 1st
‘27: (7) POR 1st
‘28: (8) POR/MIL 1st, (9) MIA 1st
‘29: (10) POR/MIA 1st, (11) MIL 1st, (12) BOS 1st
‘30: (13) POR/MIL 1st, (14) MIA 1st

We have to take care of the obligation to CHI before ‘27 for any of those swaps to convey, but that’s a whole bunch of picks for the future, and we would still have Ant on the squad. I would probably be done with accumulating picks and try to find an upgrade at the wing and make THAT the emphasis of any possible Ant trade in the future.

 

[illmatic99]

Thybulle is not allowed to be traded to Dallas until after July 2024.

Also, I think you're selling low here. You have an irrational love for Kuminga (so you're overvaluing him).

ah good call on dallas restriction.

i just hate the way kerr is messing with him. seems like a good buy low idea.

 

[BankTeller]

ah good call on dallas restriction.

i just hate the way kerr is messing with him. seems like a good buy low idea.

The thing is the Warriors aren’t in a position to sell low on Kuminga, making it difficult to obtain him. Kuminga and a 1st for either Brogdon or Grant seems like a serious underpay. I would trade Kris Murray and maybe a 2nd or 2 for Kuminga, but that’s what his value is, to me.

That doesn’t meaning Kuminga still isn’t an intriguing prospect though.

 

[KingSpeed]

At what point to we build with what we have? All these 'Trade MB', 'Trade Grant' mentions is puzzling to me. Everybody says we need young talent but what do we want that young talent to end up being? MB and Grant! Why trade for the hope of developing these types when we finally have them? I read the the timeline is wrong for MB, but watching these games it seems like now is the time to go for it. The guys that are not in the time-line seem to be Sharpe and Scoot. I was hoping they were the future and they still might be, but they both have a long, long way to go. Why not trade them to add to the core we have right now and go for a playoff run? Then next year add the essential piece(s).

Superstars are not coming so build the best 8 you can. We actually have nice bench role pieces for once. Once we get Simons shooting back to play along with MB, Grant and Ayton, we can compete. Walker, MT, and Camara add a great pressure defense off the bench or mix and match them in the starting lineup. I am usually the pessimist, but I really see this core competing and Ants scoring will free things up. I just don't see how more trades gets us closer if we have to add by subtracting. I don't see trading Sharpe and Scoot as subtracting at this point. I am very disappointed in their lack of progress. Just my opinion.

Lack of progress? Scoot has played like 10 games. Sharpe has only played a year of basketball since high school. Look up Giannis’ numbers early in his career. Look up Dirk. Give them some time. They have superstar potential. MB and JG do not.

 

[HansenYang]

Pacers are still my #1 target for a Grant trade.
I don't think they would give up Walker, but maybe:

Grant + Brown
for
Heild + Toppin + '24 1st (worst of Utah, Hou, LAC, OKC), '25 1st Indiana

Id then look for another trade for Buddy

BUMP

 

[BankTeller]

BUMP

Wow would that be a mistake. How do we cash in and try to nab Jarace Walker?

 

[Natebishop3]

BUMP

He makes sense, but what would you want from them? Last night pretty clearly showed that we have a hole there when he doesn't play.

 

[BankTeller]

BUMP

Alright, the original outline of your trade with the two 1sts instead of Walker is a pretty decent haul.

I was hoping to find a long term starting forward with trading Brogdon and Grant. But I did like what I saw from Kris last night. I wouldn’t want to have the 3 1sts this year and also the Hornets’ 2nd though, there isn’t nearly enough talent this year to require having that many picks.

What do you think Hield + a combination of the ‘24 OKC 1st, ‘24 CHA 2nd, and ‘24 ATL 2nd can bring back?

I’d like to trade Hield and the OKC 1st or CHA 2nd for an actual vet piece that can be here for a few seasons. I don’t really know who that piece would be. Maybe I just trade Hield’s expiring + the ATL 2nd and another future 2nd for our pick back and taking on Lonzo’s last year from the Bulls or something. Lonzo is actually a REALLY interesting piece next year if he can actually play. PG/SG/SF, and there’s no pressure to play when Ant, Shae, and Scoot are playing. He might be more of a SG/SF on this team since we haven’t found our starting SF yet. The Bulls hopes fell when this guy fell, his impact is enormous, and there would be no risk to taking him on.

Or we could find a the right player to fit into an $8m TPE and trade that player + Hield to the Heat for Lowry’s expiring and some 2nds. OR Hield + that player + the ‘24 OKC 1st for Lowry + their ‘28 top 10 protected 1st that becomes top 4 protected in ‘29 and unprotected in ‘30.

 

[BankTeller]

Pacers are still my #1 target for a Grant trade.
I don't think they would give up Walker, but maybe:

Grant + Brown
for
Heild + Toppin + '24 1st (worst of Utah, Hou, LAC, OKC), '25 1st Indiana

Id then look for another trade for Buddy

Two trades I came up with based on @CJ_is_Gone ’s proposed trade outline with Indy.