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You're right. Don't know where I got that idea about Oden. My mistake.
 
Also, as a Portland born and raised, I do want to see Oden recover from this.
 
Minstrel said:
Yeah, but that's misleading in terms of its implication. Oden has suffered more serious short-term injuries, Bowie suffered more serious long-term injuries. Oden has missed full seasons, but to injuries that one can recover from fully. Bowie was able to return faster, but the injuries altered his ability.

While the superficial parallels are easy and obvious, Oden really doesn't resemble Bowie.
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Just for the record...I was just making a guess about what the media will say, not saying I thought it was appropriate.
 
maxiep said:
Schadenfreude only applies when bad things happen to bad people. GO is a stand up guy. This is a guy whose first reaction to his knee injuries were the same, "I'm sorry." He doesn't feel bad for himself; he feels bad for letting down the team.
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I'm pretty sure it applies to anybody's misfortune. But you do make a good point. This crap couldn't be happening to a less deserving player.
 
How do you fracture your patella just from jumping? Sad to finally admit it, but he's severely injury-prone.
 
DaRizzle said:
...and Kevin Durant starts winning multiple championships in 5....4....3....2....


(sorry no disrespect, I can find humor in really bad stuff)
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A classless take from a Laker fan?

No way that happens.



Feel free to drink a tall frosty glass of liquid drano.
 
As far as "how can this happen just from jumping", one of Maxie's links said that a sudden contraction of the quadriceps muscle (like, tensing to jump) can stress a patella to the point of fracture. My editorial is that if there's already a crack, and you've been beasting weights in lower-body workout recovery, that a really strong quad + cracked kneecap = broken patella just from jumping.
 
Minstrel said:
Yeah, but that's misleading in terms of its implication. Oden has suffered more serious short-term injuries, Bowie suffered more serious long-term injuries. Oden has missed full seasons, but to injuries that one can recover from fully. Bowie was able to return faster, but the injuries altered his ability.

While the superficial parallels are easy and obvious, Oden really doesn't resemble Bowie.
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Oden's bones are now breaking with no contact from other people. I'm trying to find a positive in this injury, but I can't.
 
BrianFromWA said:
As far as "how can this happen just from jumping", one of Maxie's links said that a sudden contraction of the quadriceps muscle (like, tensing to jump) can stress a patella to the point of fracture. My editorial is that if there's already a crack, and you've been beasting weights in lower-body workout recovery, that a really strong quad + cracked kneecap = broken patella just from jumping.
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You should offer yourself as the team's trainer. Clearly you have the answers.
 
PapaG said:
Oden's bones are now breaking with no contact from other people. I'm trying to find a positive in this injury, but I can't.
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There is no "positive" to the injury, it's a straight negative. The saving grace is simply that the injury is not the type that is either chronic or ability-altering. Obviously if he keeps suffering injuries, he'll end up as a disappointment or a bust. But fortunately, this injury (and his previous injuries) don't make future injuries a fait accompli. That's definitely good.
 
Sounds like a short lived injury and I am glad no tendons or cartilage is involved.
 
PapaG said:
I'll have to see Brian's MD credentials before agreeing with what seems like your ignorant statement.
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I don't have MD credentials. So I editorialized after I read some of the material in MaxieP's links, something I'm not sure that anyone else did (who also seem to be making medical opinions).

But if it makes anyone feel better, I talked to an orthopedic surgeon friend of mine, and they said that, while not seeing the charts, etc. non-contact patella injuries aren't extremely rare, especially in active younger people.

I don't want to be the team's trainer. But I can generally do research and answer questions.
 
handiman said:
Unfortunately, that's smoothing over a gigantic IF.
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How is it "smoothing over?" It's acknowledging the possibility. I'm certainly not willing to, at 21, assume his career is already determined.

If it happens, it happens. If not, great. Both are possibilities, and I don't think any of us know the probabilities of each.
 
Because you framed it as a possibility, not the likelihood that is, thus minimizing the magnitude of the "if." Oden came into the NCAA injured and missed half his time there, then came into the pro's injured and will have missed two-thirds of his time by the start of year 4. And his injury history goes back even further...
 
handiman said:
Because you framed it as a possibility, not the likelihood that is, thus minimizing the magnitude of the "if." Oden came into the NCAA injured and missed half his time there, then came into the pro's injured and will have missed two-thirds of his time by the start of year 4. And his injury history goes back even further...
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You mean when he was 8 and 9 years old?

I just read an interview with Oden's HS coach who claimed he only missed one game due to an ankle sprain.

Where did you see Oden had a history of injuries prior to his Freshman year at Ohio State?
 
handiman said:
Because you framed it as a possibility, not the likelihood that is, thus minimizing the magnitude of the "if."
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It is a possibility. Whether it is a "likelihood" is simply your layman's opinion. Had Oden suffered ability-altering injuries, or injuries that don't go away or remain chronic, I'd have framed it as a likelihood.

Oden came into the NCAA injured and missed half his time there, then came into the pro's injured and will have missed two-thirds of his time by the start of year 4. And his injury history goes back even further...
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But none have had bearing on the others. His wrist injury in college hasn't caused any further problems. This injury wasn't related to his microfracture surgery. It's possible that he's a "freak injury magnet," but I have no idea whether that's likely from a medical standpoint. Most injury-riddled careers have revolved around a single common element that never went away (Tracy McGrady and his back problems, for example). So, I don't think there's a lot of historical comparisons that suggest "freak injury magnets" are likely.

Certainly you're welcome to your opinion that it's overly optimistic to "merely" consider Oden's chances of missing time constantly in the future a possibility, but I don't think that's minimizing it. I think that's a rational viewpoint considering the nature of the injuries.
 
BeerBoy said:
Has any other NBA player ever suffered this same injury?
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Doesn't sound as bad, he'll mostlikely be a bust too.


Griffin Suffers Stress Fracture of Patella
 
HOWIE said:
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Doesn't sound as bad, he'll mostlikely be a bust too.


Griffin Suffers Stress Fracture of Patella
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I saw something that made me go "hmmm" in this article.....

Griffin originally suffered a bruised left patella during practice on Thursday, September 24th and was eventually cleared to resume full basketball activity.
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Isn't that a coincidence? and many are saying this is what happened with our guy.....weird...
 
LittleAlex said:
You mean when he was 8 and 9 years old?

I just read an interview with Oden's HS coach who claimed he only missed one game due to an ankle sprain.

Where did you see Oden had a history of injuries prior to his Freshman year at Ohio State?
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http://joshqpublic.com/2009/12/06/greg-oden-glass/

"When he was in sixth grade, Oden required significant hip surgery that left his right leg a bit shorter than his left."

There was an account a while back, in Oden's own words, saying how he had to be rushed to the doctor for surgery in 6th grade because his leg was about to fall off. No joke, he described it as barely hanging on. That ain't normal, folks.

And if you have a strong stomach...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-redflags091307&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

The fact of the matter is, we drafted Oden despite a lot of warning signs.

Minstrel said:
It is a possibility. Whether it is a "likelihood" is simply your layman's opinion.
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Hardly. Repeated history is what odds making is all about.

But none have had bearing on the others.
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I dare say you have little concept of how injury prone-ness works... They don't affect each other that way. Each springs up on its own as a result of underlying issues.
 
handiman said:
Hardly. Repeated history is what odds making is all about.
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Relevant history is, yes. A wrist injury and non-tendon knee injury seems unlikely to be relevant history to whether a player will suffer further injuries.

I dare say you have little concept of how injury prone-ness works... They don't affect each other that way. Each springs up on its own as a result of underlying issues.
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And what is that underlying issue in your medical opinion? Which players have had injury-riddled careers where the injuries were all to different parts of the body? From what I've seen, players who are constantly injured generally keep re-injuring the same or related parts of the body
 
handiman said:
http://joshqpublic.com/2009/12/06/greg-oden-glass/

"When he was in sixth grade, Oden required significant hip surgery that left his right leg a bit shorter than his left."

There was an account a while back, in Oden's own words, saying how he had to be rushed to the doctor for surgery in 6th grade because his leg was about to fall off. No joke, he described it as barely hanging on. That ain't normal, folks.

And if you have a strong stomach...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-redflags091307&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

The fact of the matter is, we drafted Oden despite a lot of warning signs.


Hardly. Repeated history is what odds making is all about.


I dare say you have little concept of how injury prone-ness works... They don't affect each other that way. Each springs up on its own as a result of underlying issues.
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So he got hurt at the age of 12, then remained injury free for 6 years until his freshmen year in college. That doesn't sound too bad to me.
 
LittleAlex said:
So he got hurt at the age of 12, then remained injury free for 6 years until his freshmen year in college. That doesn't sound too bad to me.
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Maybe his HS coach was the only one smart enough to prevent injuries ... or maybe he just had so little competition in HS that he didn't have to push himself hard enough to risk getting hurt? Who knows. Whatever the explanation, he has had more than a lifetime worth of serious injuries in a very short period of time.

Minstrel said:
Relevant history is, yes. A wrist injury and non-tendon knee injury seems unlikely to be relevant history to whether a player will suffer further injuries.
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They don't have to be related to be relevant, or vice versa... The fact that serious injuries keep occurring should tell you all you need to know about that.

And what is that underlying issue in your medical opinion?
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Delicate bones, premature aging (how many 18 year olds do you know with a full beard and deep creases to their brow?), lots of opinions out there... People of Oden's stature are freaks of nature (or outliers, if you prefer a more PC term) to begin with and are going to have significantly shorter life expectancies. Add in the pounding of top flight athletics and that's a lot of wear and tear on the body... He's had multiple soft tissue (hip and wrist) and structural (knees x3) injuries, with the hip injury (resulting leg length difference) possibly affecting later knees.

Which players have had injury-riddled careers where the injuries were all to different parts of the body?
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That has absolutely nothing to do with Oden. You can't reason your way through this with examples of other athletes... That's where most in the medical community prove themselves to be inept at injury prevention. They try to apply the consensus "book" diagnosis to individuals, but individuals are called individuals for a reason... They're all different.
 
handiman said:
Delicate bones, premature aging (how many 18 year olds do you know with a full beard and deep creases to their brow?), lots of opinions out there... People of Oden's stature are freaks of nature (or outliers, if you prefer a more PC term) to begin with and are going to have significantly shorter life expectancies. Add in the pounding of top flight athletics and that's a lot of wear and tear on the body... He's had multiple soft tissue (hip and wrist) and structural (knees x3) injuries, with the hip injury (resulting leg length difference) possibly affecting later knees.

That has absolutely nothing to do with Oden. You can't reason your way through this with examples of other athletes... That's where most in the medical community prove themselves to be inept at injury prevention. They try to apply the consensus "book" diagnosis to individuals, but individuals are called individuals for a reason... They're all different.
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You're misunderstanding...I'm not diagnosing Oden via other players. I'm saying that I don't see "history" that shows an "unrelated injury magnet" phenomenon existing. If that were something that happens, there should be examples of it. In other words, I wouldn't try to diagnose someone having cancer by comparing them other people who have cancer, but the fact that plenty of people do have cancer makes it clear that cancer is a real risk. If there aren't examples of athletes who have careers filled with unrelated injuries (that prevent them from playing), I'm a lot less convinced that that's a real risk.

Of course, anecdotal evidence isn't the end-all/be-all. If actual doctors say that Oden is prone to serious, unrelated (to each other) injuries, perhaps due to some condition like brittle bones, then that would be quite convincing.
 
The fact of the matter is, we drafted Oden despite a lot of warning signs.
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And so would have 29 other teams - no matter what they say. Do you not remember the hype? "Once in a generation Center". You pass on Oden and he goes on to win championships and MVP's - you get fired, and are mocked eternally.

Not many people are criticizing the pick even now, because they know the truth. NOBODY had the balls to pass on Oden no matter what that physical said.
 
its true, i do envy odens facial hair growth...im 19 getting close to 20 and still have peach fuzz
 
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