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Can we all agree you need a combination of what you just said above and leave it at that. They also need to figure out on their own as well. This is not a development league. It also depends on how bad they want it and how they adopt to living in the big city like New York.
 
Al, you're an epic moron who has no clue how to develop young players. It's pointless trying to educate you. If it was up to your dumbass Lafreniere and Kakko would still be in the minors. Also, the NHL is absolutely a developmental league when you take players in the top 5. You draft those players with the sole purpose of developing them at the NHL level to help you win cups. Only the Rangers are so fucking stupid that they don't do this. The Canes took Jarvis in the first round out of the top 10 and they are playing the kid a shitload. That's because they get it. The Rangers still don't. Torts didn't want to develop Kreider, the team turned on him and he got fired. However, now it's OK not to develop other young players on our roster. It's bullshit and it has been all season. The Rangers have gotten into a very bad habit which will lead to them never winning a cup if they don't change. They commit to developing young defenseman but not forwards. Why, I have no idea. It's retarded. Everybody can see it but some of our dumbass fan base who just want to go to games and hope some vets win a few playoff rounds.
 
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Al, I hope you'll be okay buddy that you go back on ignore by the 2 year old...lol.

Step - This is not a development league.
The very next post by the vulgar one - Also, the NHL is absolutely a developmental league when you take players in the top 5.

Tells you all you need to know. The just draft and play for tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow guy. Seriously, you should go be a Buffalo or NJ fan - they are always building for tomorrow. You'd love it because the kids play. Never win, but you don't care you just want to develop kids for 2078.
 
Stepupstepan said:
Can we all agree you need a combination of what you just said above and leave it at that. They also need to figure out on their own as well. This is not a development league. It also depends on how bad they want it and how they adopt to living in the big city like New York.
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Yup - all of the above. More than one way to do it. Many factors. Your closeminded vulgar buddy doesn't understand that.
 
kreidertime said:
Al, you're an epic moron who has no clue how to develop young players. It's pointless trying to educate you. If it was up to your dumbass Lafreniere and Kakko would still be in the minors. Also, the NHL is absolutely a developmental league when you take players in the top 5. You draft those players with the sole purpose of developing them at the NHL level to help you win cups. Only the Rangers are so fucking stupid that they don't do this. The Canes took Jarvis in the first round out of the top 10 and they are playing the kid a shitload. That's because they get it. The Rangers still don't. Torts didn't want to develop Kreider, the team turned on him and he got fired. However, now it's OK not to develop other young players on our roster. It's bullshit and it has been all season. The Rangers have gotten into a very bad habit which will lead to them never winning a cup if they don't change. They commit to developing young defenseman but not forwards. Why, I have no idea. It's retarded. Everybody can see it but some of our dumbass fan base who just want to go to games and hope some vets win a few playoff rounds.
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This coming from a guy who wanted Miller sent to the minors during the year. Gotcha
 
Again, basing the rangers past on "developing players"...how many #1 picks and #2 picks have the rangers had to not develop..I'll wait....jarvis..a center averaged 13:52 minutes a game this year...playing a shit ton more than wingers Laf and Kakko...he had a total of 6 power play points..what a tremendous job "developing " him.

The last overall wingers taken #1 goes way back to 2012 with Edmonton taking yakupov..and in his rookie year what other rw did the oilers have...Jordan erberle..his average ice time...14:34 on a shitty Edmonton team.

Before that Tayor Hall...before that Patrick Kane both played an average of 18 minutes per game...common dominator..all went to shitty teamz..Kane was the only one who eventually won a Stanley Cup..

You are such wise all knowing hockey man I'm shocked your not in the game in some capacity.
 
These dudes are only 21 years old, they are fortunate to be on a playoff team so quickly based on where they were drafted. I'm sure neither are crying about not being on pp1 or getting top line billing. Most likely they're smart enough to know it's a great situation for learning and development from some high end vets while not being thrown into the fire too quickly. Lafreniere will be in the top 6 and likely pp1 next year, and hopefully KK can stay off the IL more and keep earning more time too.
 
You’re not grasping the point. Because of the salary cap the Rangers are going to lose at least two of their top line forwards which means the kids will be put in a tough spot next year where they have to carry the team being behind in their development. Also the veterans on this team have shown that they are not consistent in the playoffs and these kids are pretty much the only answer for us trying to win a cup. The Rangers completely fucked up this year with these two and it can’t be disputed.
 
Who are they losing off the top line? Z, Panarin and Kreider aren't going anywhere. Strome is a goner. If they can bring back Vatrano and/or Copp they will but Laf will still have a spot in the top 6 either way and be ready to go based on his solid development this year. Kakko is still a work in progress and hasn't show he deserves those minutes, regardless of who he's played with. He can play with Chytil(if he's still around) again next year which seems to be a good fit. The kids alone aren't going to make or break winning the SC, those $8m guys are going to have to be the main cogs.
 
Looking at the cap situation the next two years, it's not good. The organization continues to give these dumb fuck, NMC's which just kills your cap situation. I suppose if a team asks you to waive it and tells you they no longer want you it would be hard to decline that. I honestly don't know what they were thinking giving Zibanejad a NMC for his entire contract. Talk about fucking stupid. Whoever is running the Rangers cap situation is clueless. I'm actually starting to think that the Rangers didn't commit to developing Lafreniere and Kakko offensively because if they did they would be totally fucked with the cap. I bet they are hoping to give Kakko like a 3 year deal at like 2.7 and Lafreniere a 5 year deal at like 4 million. Unless those guys have agents that are imbeciles, I don't see that happening. I still believe Kakko will sign an enormous offer sheet in the off-season and they will lose him. Lafreniere looks like he's enjoying playing hockey here. Kakko doesn't. He never looks happy. I don't think he's been happy since he got here. I'm not entirely sure they won't deal Kakko in the off-season first before he could get an offer sheet from another team. Especially if his agent refused a contract extension. With Othmann, Cuyle and perhaps if that lazy fuck Kravtsov grew up, they are loaded with wings. Center is something they need to fix. I like Korczak. He was a faceoff monster this year in juniors but he's probably a couple years away.
 
Not sure how you can tell if someone is happy here or not..but the issue still remains the same..too many wingers, especially too many playing on the off wing...I would see what kappo gets as far as a legit center this off season.
 
If they could get a mid-1st rounder and solid prospect or roster player for Kakko i would think about dealing him. Trouba's contract is going to start to affect things this offseason as 8m if it were even 5.5m would help us as the cap is only going up to 82.5.
 
Drury has do with Lafreniere what he did with Shesterkin or we are fucked. I like Kakko a lot. His upside is huge and as I said, the Rangers have been incompetent with him. Injuries slowed him down agreed. However, the Rangers are clueless developing forwards. With goalies and defenseman they are elite. They are so top heavy with moronic NMC's contracts they are going to be fucked at some point.
 
We have about 1/3 of the cap tied up long term on Panarin, Zib and Kreider all with NMC or limited no trade clauses. What a cluster fuck that is.

Imagine having Lafreniere ready to put up 60-70 points next year. Nah, let's give him same amount of minutes as Rooney. That'll do wonders.
 
Barring injury, Lafreniere will put up 60 points next season - book it now.
 
17 you’re being a dickhead. Closing your eyes and pretending that the organization is doing everything right all the time it’s pathetic. They’ve won one cup in the last 80+ years. Nobody said fire the coach but we are saying that they are seriously fucked with the cap. It’s a huge problem.
 
The Rangers are an enormous draw for players. There is very little reason to give out a NMC. Ever. If anything for only 2-3 years on a long term contract. The Devils didn't give out a NMC for Hughes or Hischer. They gave one to Hamilton for only half his contract. Zibanejad should have been told, you can have one for 2 or 3 years but go fuck yourself after that. I wouldn't have given him one at all. If he didn't want to sign, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Consider the appeal the Rangers have to players, the fact they have only one cup in over 80 years shows you they are incompetent.
 
kreidertime said:
The Rangers are an enormous draw for players. There is very little reason to give out a NMC. Ever. If anything for only 2-3 years on a long term contract. The Devils didn't give out a NMC for Hughes or Hischer. They gave one to Hamilton for only half his contract. Zibanejad should have been told, you can have one for 2 or 3 years but go fuck yourself after that. I wouldn't have given him one at all. If he didn't want to sign, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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It's truly amazing to me how people can forget what happened in one year with this organization. Management was shaken up, Drury took over and a new head coach was hired.

Nobody was sure what this season would bring but it ended as one of the best regular seasons in team history. They're currently in the second round of the playoffs with a big game two tonight.

Yet, this negativity is what you choose to dwell on every goddamn second you're on this board.
 
NYR Fan said:
Barring injury, Lafreniere will put up 60 points next season - book it now.
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he won’t come anywhere near that if his ice time is going to be on par with Kevin Rooney like it was this year. Panarin had 59 even strength points playing on the first line basically every game. Lafreniere isnt going to do that if he’s going to get 14min a game on the 3rd and 4th line.
 
I'd put him down for the over on 60 points if healthy. I guess we'll see.
 
The kids are getting key time in the playoffs but suddenly in the future they will only play 14 minutes a night on the third line. I swear this is board trolling at this point.
 
He will be on one of the top two lines next year as Strome will be gone and likely only one of Copp/Vatrano will be back.
 
History doesn’t lie so stop ignoring the facts. When you win one cup in 80+ years you’re fucking stupid.
 
I blame the vets in these playoffs not the coach one time. I actually said it wasn’t Gallant’s fault that the vets were playing so shitty. Where he made a mistake was relying on the vets all regular season instead of developing his two young studs on offense. Now most playoff games he’s relying on a bunch of 20 to 22-year-old kids who he hasn’t given much ice time that should tell you that he fucked up.
 
Chytil has really done a nice job stepping up after a regular season where he didn't show a ton.
 
Messiah717 said:
The kids are getting key time in the playoffs but suddenly in the future they will only play 14 minutes a night on the third line. I swear this is board trolling at this point.
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lafreniere got 13:59 of ice time in the regular season. Rooney got 13:51. That is not trolling, that is stating a fact. One that should be troubling to people but somehow saying the #1 pick in the draft should get more ice time is controversial in Ranger world.
So far in the playoffs he’s gotten an additional 45 seconds on average. Not great, but at least it’s going in the right direction.
 
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