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#7 and Nas seems reasonable to me. I like Nas, but the bad luck injuries are becoming a trend.

I can see a world where Sharpe is the best player in this draft, but I don't know that you could bank on it. Then you have to be able to retain him long term for it to be real meaningful. That's a big ask. If we draft him, I'll be rooting like hell for all that to happen though!
 
As for OG... meh. He's a starter-ish level player on a bad Toronto team that can't stay healthy and getting paid about what he's been worth ($19m).

I don't see why we'd give up a lottery pick for him, personally. Giving up Bledsoe (ie, absorbing his salary) would be acceptable but that presumably is not enough for Toronto.
The Walton quote made you look a little off but this take is pretty nuts. You think that OG Anunoby is only worth absorbing his salary and no compensation going out to his team?!? Do you like losing all credibility?
 
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Problem is that soon the EBEC isn't an asset anymore when we have to guarantee his money (which we won't). So the timeline to use it is now or we lose the asset
 
The Walton quote made you look a little off but this take is pretty nuts. You think that OG Anunoby is only worth absorbing his salary and no compensation going out to his team?!? Do you like losing all credibility?
OG is being paid just about what he's worth.

Why should Portland give up substantial value for giving the guy what he's worth? It's madness.

It's possible that OG gets better, but he's only got two more years before he's got a player option, so if he has a good--or even healthy--year or two, his contract is going to spike up after he opts out. And if he has a bad/injured year(s), then you're stuck paying him about $20m after he opts in.

This is a reasonable gamble for Toronto to take, but not one for the Blazers to give up a lottery pick to partake in.

I don't care about "losing credibility" in your eyes as you don't seem to understand how value works.
 
OG is being paid just about what he's worth.

Why should Portland give up substantial value for giving the guy what he's worth? It's madness.

It's possible that OG gets better, but he's only got two more years before he's got a player option, so if he has a good--or even healthy--year or two, his contract is going to spike up after he opts out. And if he has a bad/injured year(s), then you're stuck paying him about $20m after he opts in.

This is a reasonable gamble for Toronto to take, but not one for the Blazers to give up a lottery pick to partake in.

I don't care about "losing credibility" in your eyes as you don't seem to understand how value works.

To be fair, the last 4-6 years we've rarely be able to obtain a player for what he's worth. Typically it's a huge overpay.
 
To be fair, the last 4-6 years we've rarely be able to obtain a player for what he's worth. Typically it's a huge overpay.
A rookie contract won't be a huge overpay. Unless he's a real dud.
 
To be fair, the last 4-6 years we've rarely be able to obtain a player for what he's worth. Typically it's a huge overpay.
That is totally fair and accurate.

And look where it's gotten us :(
 
OG is being paid just about what he's worth.

Why should Portland give up substantial value for giving the guy what he's worth? It's madness.

It's possible that OG gets better, but he's only got two more years before he's got a player option, so if he has a good--or even healthy--year or two, his contract is going to spike up after he opts out. And if he has a bad/injured year(s), then you're stuck paying him about $20m after he opts in.

This is a reasonable gamble for Toronto to take, but not one for the Blazers to give up a lottery pick to partake in.

I don't care about "losing credibility" in your eyes as you don't seem to understand how value works.
I'll just break this down for you really quickly. If a player is making 19M and that's what he should be making and he's not on your team then he has value to your team, especially if he plays a position of need for your team. So of course you have to send value out to get that player because that player adds value to your team. This isn't rocket science. You're saying that we should be able to send them an overpaid player that they don't need in exchange for a perfectly paid player that we do need and call it an even exchange. Think about this shit before you post it. I'm not saying that a difference of opinion on what the compensation should be for obtaining Anunoby for Bledsoe is unreasonable (you might think the seventh pick is too much) but debating that there should be no additional compensation from us in that exchange is ludicrous. Then you want to question if I know how value works. Zero credibility.
 
A rookie contract won't be a huge overpay. Unless he's a real dud.

The opportunity cost of the #7 pick is more than just the salary. Having the #7 pick and it turning out to be less than a two contract start on your roster would be a dud because it can land you a solid starter ready to play today.
 
I'll just break this down for you really quickly. If a player is making 19M and that's what he should be making and he's not on your team then he has value to your team, especially if he plays a position of need for your team. So of course you have to send value out to get that player because that player adds value to your team. This isn't rocket science. You're saying that we should be able to send them an overpaid player that they don't need in exchange for a perfectly paid player that we do need and call it an even exchange. Think about this shit before you post it. I'm not saying that a difference of opinion on what the compensation should be for obtaining Anunoby for Bledsoe is unreasonable (you might think the seventh pick is too much) but debating that there should be no additional compensation from us in that exchange is ludicrous. Then you want to question if I know how value works. Zero credibility.

It's really not rocket science. You "breaking it down" demonstrates you are a bit confused so let me try to help.

If a guy is worth $19m and you're paying him $19m, then you are just breaking even. A team filled with that guy isn't going to be making the playoffs, because you should be seeking players that are worth MORE than their contracted amount. This tends to be superstars and guys on their rookie deals.

That doesn't mean that every player that you have on your roster needs to be adding value over his contracted amount--there are loopholes with the soft cap that make it better to have a guy worth something, anything, if there's no opportunity cost (like if you're already over the cap).

The only time you should give up substantial assets to acquire a player is when there's a likelihood of him adding value over his contracted amount (and/or if you have a "use it or lose it" situation with cap space, etc.).

So... looking at Toronto-Portland. If we assume that OG is worth right at his contract level (taking into account his injury history, his potential for improvement, the size and length of his contract, etc.), then Portland should only give up anything to get him if there's no opportunity cost (meaning: getting him won't cut off any opportunities to do something else). Trading Bledsoe's expiring deal would make sense since Portland presumably will cut him rather than guarantee his deal, so it's a "use it or lose it" situation. Giving up a lottery pick is overpaying, especially since there would probably have to be other salary-matching involved to make the deal work and I don't think Portland has bad contracts to dump (and any dumping would make the deal less appealing to Toronto).

From Toronto's perspective: I said that I don't think sending Bledsoe, alone, would be enough for them. They can keep OG with nothing but opportunity cost (trading him for other value) as they can pay him what he's worth and cross their fingers that he improves. The case for accepting Bledsoe is that they could get out from under OG's contract (cutting Bledsoe with minimal cap hit) and use that money elsewhere... I don't know the Raptors' cap situation well enough to know if that would have any appeal or not.

If not? Then the trade shouldn't happen since our agreed-upon at-contract-value OG is not something the Blazers should give up significant assets to acquire.
 
It's really not rocket science. You "breaking it down" demonstrates you are a bit confused so let me try to help.

If a guy is worth $19m and you're paying him $19m, then you are just breaking even. A team filled with that guy isn't going to be making the playoffs, because you should be seeking players that are worth MORE than their contracted amount. This tends to be superstars and guys on their rookie deals.

That doesn't mean that every player that you have on your roster needs to be adding value over his contracted amount--there are loopholes with the soft cap that make it better to have a guy worth something, anything, if there's no opportunity cost (like if you're already over the cap).

The only time you should give up substantial assets to acquire a player is when there's a likelihood of him adding value over his contracted amount (and/or if you have a "use it or lose it" situation with cap space, etc.).

So... looking at Toronto-Portland. If we assume that OG is worth right at his contract level (taking into account his injury history, his potential for improvement, the size and length of his contract, etc.), then Portland should only give up anything to get him if there's no opportunity cost (meaning: getting him won't cut off any opportunities to do something else). Trading Bledsoe's expiring deal would make sense since Portland presumably will cut him rather than guarantee his deal, so it's a "use it or lose it" situation. Giving up a lottery pick is overpaying, especially since there would probably have to be other salary-matching involved to make the deal work and I don't think Portland has bad contracts to dump (and any dumping would make the deal less appealing to Toronto).

From Toronto's perspective: I said that I don't think sending Bledsoe, alone, would be enough for them. They can keep OG with nothing but opportunity cost (trading him for other value) as they can pay him what he's worth and cross their fingers that he improves. The case for accepting Bledsoe is that they could get out from under OG's contract (cutting Bledsoe with minimal cap hit) and use that money elsewhere... I don't know the Raptors' cap situation well enough to know if that would have any appeal or not.

If not? Then the trade shouldn't happen since our agreed-upon at-contract-value OG is not something the Blazers should give up significant assets to acquire.
We don't have a small forward who is worth 19M right now... we sure could use one... we're not going to be able to get that in free agency. As you've already recognized an expiring contract alone will not be enough value to offset what the Raptors would be losing if they moved OG. We would be gaining that and due to the roster we currently have and the roster that the Raptors currently have we are in more need of a small forward who is worth 19M therefore we should be willing to give up Bledsoe's expiring contract which won't benefit the Raptors at all until the 2023-24 season and other compensation... if you think the seventh pick in the draft is too much I can see the logic in that but if you think that any additional value we send there way is too much, which is the ground you're trying to hold for some reason that I'm sure you don't even agree with at this point then again you don't have any credibility.

You don't need to respond to this, it's very clear you're just trying to back up a senseless statement that you made. This shit isn't moving stationary numbers around on a spreadsheet... it's not even moving ascending and descending numbers around on a spreadsheet. This is personnel we're talking about, very very specific and high end personnel. Our roster has gaping holes that need to be filled in order for our GM to keep his word and work towards building a contender around Dame. If you think that the 7th pick and keeping the guaranteed 4M on Bledsoes contract has more value when balanced out than OG that's cool but if you think that OG has no more value to add to this roster than an offsetting salary... then again you have no credibility. Like I said, there's really no need to respond.
 
It's really not rocket science. You "breaking it down" demonstrates you are a bit confused so let me try to help.

If a guy is worth $19m and you're paying him $19m, then you are just breaking even. A team filled with that guy isn't going to be making the playoffs, because you should be seeking players that are worth MORE than their contracted amount. This tends to be superstars and guys on their rookie deals.

That doesn't mean that every player that you have on your roster needs to be adding value over his contracted amount--there are loopholes with the soft cap that make it better to have a guy worth something, anything, if there's no opportunity cost (like if you're already over the cap).

The only time you should give up substantial assets to acquire a player is when there's a likelihood of him adding value over his contracted amount (and/or if you have a "use it or lose it" situation with cap space, etc.).

So... looking at Toronto-Portland. If we assume that OG is worth right at his contract level (taking into account his injury history, his potential for improvement, the size and length of his contract, etc.), then Portland should only give up anything to get him if there's no opportunity cost (meaning: getting him won't cut off any opportunities to do something else). Trading Bledsoe's expiring deal would make sense since Portland presumably will cut him rather than guarantee his deal, so it's a "use it or lose it" situation. Giving up a lottery pick is overpaying, especially since there would probably have to be other salary-matching involved to make the deal work and I don't think Portland has bad contracts to dump (and any dumping would make the deal less appealing to Toronto).

From Toronto's perspective: I said that I don't think sending Bledsoe, alone, would be enough for them. They can keep OG with nothing but opportunity cost (trading him for other value) as they can pay him what he's worth and cross their fingers that he improves. The case for accepting Bledsoe is that they could get out from under OG's contract (cutting Bledsoe with minimal cap hit) and use that money elsewhere... I don't know the Raptors' cap situation well enough to know if that would have any appeal or not.

If not? Then the trade shouldn't happen since our agreed-upon at-contract-value OG is not something the Blazers should give up significant assets to acquire.
Toronto can't cut Bledsoe salary, it would have to be close to fully guaranteed to match in the trade. That loophole was changed a number of years ago.

That's another reason the Clippers trade really sucked.
 
#7 and Nas seems reasonable to me. I like Nas, but the bad luck injuries are becoming a trend.

I can see a world where Sharpe is the best player in this draft, but I don't know that you could bank on it. Then you have to be able to retain him long term for it to be real meaningful. That's a big ask. If we draft him, I'll be rooting like hell for all that to happen though!

I would rather roll the dice and hope that we hit big on Sharpe, rather than go get a guy who is best case a solid starter.
 
I would rather roll the dice and hope that we hit big on Sharpe, rather than go get a guy who is best case a solid starter.

At 7 I have Sharpe > Daniels > Sochan

I low key think Daniels would be a good fit. I don't see the highest ceiling however. Could probably be talked into moving Daniels for Sochan and change like Dort.
 
At 7 I have Sharpe > Daniels > Sochan

I low key think Daniels would be a good fit. I don't see the highest ceiling however. Could probably be talked into moving Daniels for Sochan and change like Dort.
Daniels would be so perfect though.
 
The Blazers now have several players who can play forward. Little, Grant, Winslow, Watford, Brown and Hart. Little looked like he was headed for a breakout season before his injury.

I can't see how trading for another forward, unless it's a Jimmy Butler-level player, offsets the chance to get a very good player in the draft, or maybe even makes much of a difference at all.
Assuming we have the same roster, Nurk will want his touches, Grant will want his touches, Ant will want his touches and Lillard can do whatever he wants with the ball.
Nassir Little makes more sense to me as a hustle player who won't care how many touches he gets compared to OG Anunoby. Little's defense and rebounding are solid as is his finishing at the hoop.
OG Anunoby will absolutely care about getting his shots.
It's hard for me to see how trading for Anunoby is the best use of the #7 pick.
We have a huge need at backup center.
If Shaedon Sharpe or Keegan Murray aren't available with our pick, why not draft Jalen Duren, a prospect that is ranked quite highly by some out there? With his mobility, the Blazers could run a Boston-style defense. If his mid-range jumper comes around, he could be one of the best players from the 2022 draft.

I can't see much of a gain. Only a possible disastrous loss by making this trade.
 
How committed is Jody to paying for a winner?

Our starting lineup could be:

Dame 44
Ant 25
OG 19
Grant 23
Nurk 18

Josh 14

Gotta pay to win. But they could like the cost controlled benefits of the #7 pick.
 
How committed is Jody to paying for a winner?

Our starting lineup could be:

Dame 44
Ant 25
OG 19
Grant 23
Nurk 18

Josh 14

Gotta pay to win. But they could like the cost controlled benefits of the #7 pick.
Not guaranteed to win with that roster. Better to just swing the fences on guys like Sharpe. Not all the way in on him yet, but Simons and Sharpe as the backcourt of the future could be the silkiest shooting young backcourt in the NBA.
 
WHY ARE THE BLAZERS EVEN THINKING ABOUT TRADING THE 7th pick FOR ANUNOBY???

Where does this guy rank in the NBA in the list of best players? 40th? Probably more like 50th.

This is what I see:
Anunoby MIGHT be better than any forward we've had since Aldridge.

That's the problem. It's a mind trick.

Yes, Anunoby is a good young player. Nothing more than that.

Would Lebron James make a big effort to land Anunoby as his 2nd man to win a championship? No.

Anunoby does not make the Blazers a contender. It's just a horrible waste of the 7th pick. If you don't see the upside in a Dyson Daniels, go for a Jalen Duren. I would even prefer gambling on AJ Griffin. (If Sharpe isn't available.)

1. Lebron James 2. Luka Doncic 3. Chris Paul 4. Joel Embiid 5. Nikola Jokic 6. Stephen Curry 7. Jimmy Butler 8. Devin Booker 9. Kevin Durant 10. Jayson Tatum 11. Giannis Antetokounmpo 12. Ja Morant 13. Kawhi Leonard 14. Trae Young 15. Kyrie Irving 16. Donovan Mitchell 17. Paul George 18. Zach Lavine 19. Damian Lillard 20. Demar Derozan 21. Jaylen Brown 22. Bradley Beal 23. LaMelo Ball 24. Pascal Siakam 25. Anthony Edwards 26. Brandon Ingram 27. Anthony Davis 28. Khris Middleton 29. Bam Adebayo 30. Darius Garland 31. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander 32. Karl-Anthony Townes 33. James Harden 34. Jamal Murray 35. De'aron Fox 36. Dejounte Murray 37. Domantas Sabonis 38. Deandre Ayton 39. Jrue Holiday 40. Miles Bridges 41. Klay Thompson 42. Rudy Gobert 43. Andrew Wiggins 44. Marcus Smart 45. Cade Cunningham 46. Jarrett Allen 47. Tyrese Haliburton 48. Fred Van Vleey 49. Draymond Green
 
How committed is Jody to paying for a winner?

Our starting lineup could be:

Dame 44
Ant 25
OG 19
Grant 23
Nurk 18

Josh 14

Gotta pay to win. But they could like the cost controlled benefits of the #7 pick.
What exactly are they winning? First round in the playoffs?
 
WHY ARE THE BLAZERS EVEN THINKING ABOUT TRADING THE 7th pick FOR ANUNOBY???

Where does this guy rank in the NBA in the list of best players? 40th? Probably more like 50th.

This is what I see:
Anunoby MIGHT be better than any forward we've had since Aldridge.

That's the problem. It's a mind trick.

Yes, Anunoby is a good young player. Nothing more than that.

Would Lebron James make a big effort to land Anunoby as his 2nd man to win a championship? No.

Anunoby does not make the Blazers a contender. It's just a horrible waste of the 7th pick. If you don't see the upside in a Dyson Daniels, go for a Jalen Duren. I would even prefer gambling on AJ Griffin. (If Sharpe isn't available.)

1. Lebron James 2. Luka Doncic 3. Chris Paul 4. Joel Embiid 5. Nikola Jokic 6. Stephen Curry 7. Jimmy Butler 8. Devin Booker 9. Kevin Durant 10. Jayson Tatum 11. Giannis Antetokounmpo 12. Ja Morant 13. Kawhi Leonard 14. Trae Young 15. Kyrie Irving 16. Donovan Mitchell 17. Paul George 18. Zach Lavine 19. Damian Lillard 20. Demar Derozan 21. Jaylen Brown 22. Bradley Beal 23. LaMelo Ball 24. Pascal Siakam 25. Anthony Edwards 26. Brandon Ingram 27. Anthony Davis 28. Khris Middleton 29. Bam Adebayo 30. Darius Garland 31. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander 32. Karl-Anthony Townes 33. James Harden 34. Jamal Murray 35. De'aron Fox 36. Dejounte Murray 37. Domantas Sabonis 38. Deandre Ayton 39. Jrue Holiday 40. Miles Bridges 41. Klay Thompson 42. Rudy Gobert 43. Andrew Wiggins 44. Marcus Smart 45. Cade Cunningham 46. Jarrett Allen 47. Tyrese Haliburton 48. Fred Van Vleey 49. Draymond Green
There are a lot more players I would say are better than OG that aren't even listed here. Trading #7 for OG would be lame.
 
I would rather roll the dice and hope that we hit big on Sharpe, rather than go get a guy who is best case a solid starter.

100%.

Between Siakam and Barnes, OG is the odd man out and does not appear to be a player capable of making All-Star games like the other two.

If Sharpe blows up on another team and I think he will considering Presti's obsession over him (OKC already possessing SGA+Dort+Giddey, mind you), you had better prepare a Cronin clown face avatar.

Additionally, OG will also be very expensive in two years. Sharpe will still be on his rookie contract.

It's a no brainer, for me.
 
100%.

Between Siakam and Barnes, OG is the odd man out and does not appear to be a player capable of making All-Star games like the other two.

If Sharpe blows up on another team and I think he will considering Presti's obsession over him (OKC already possessing SGA+Dort+Giddey, mind you), you had better prepare a Cronin clown face avatar.

Additionally, OG will also be very expensive in two years. Sharpe will still be on his rookie contract.

It's a no brainer, for me.

REALLY like OG, but is it worth the chance at a 'star'? Also, where would all the shots be for Nurk/Grant/OG/Ant/Dame?
 
As for OG... meh. He's a starter-ish level player on a bad Toronto team that can't stay healthy and getting paid about what he's been worth ($19m).

I don't see why we'd give up a lottery pick for him, personally. Giving up Bledsoe (ie, absorbing his salary) would be acceptable but that presumably is not enough for Toronto.

Hello,

only worth salary absorption?

Hard disagree with that take. Wow.
 

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