One Aldridge Trade Thread to Rule Them All

[Rastapopoulos]

As this is going to be the season of "When is the Aldridge Trade Happening?" and we've already had about three threads mostly about it, how 'bout we make a single thread? Let's try to keep this on topic and try not to go more than two or three posts without a suggested trade. Unfortunately, TradeMachine no longer works. You can use it, but it just says every single trade works, whether or not it's remotely feasible. Nonetheless, you can use it to compare salaries.

I'm still fixated on a trade that involves Chicago (because of the whole Rose-and-LA-sharing-agents thing, and also that they have the best cost-free assets in the rights to Mirotic and CHA's pick [albeit top 10 protected]) and Houston (because they HAVE to trade Asik now). So I'll kick off with this one:

Portland gives up Lamarcus AND Wesley Matthews and gets:
Asik
Taj Gibson
Kirk Hinrich (why? because he can be played next to both Lillard and CJ, and has shown that he can defend SGs, because that's what he did last year. Plus his contract runs out soon)
One/both of rights to Mirotic, CHA's pick

Chicago gives up Boozer, Gibson, Hinrick, Mirotic/CHA pick and gets:
Aldridge
Wesley
Jeremy Lin

Houston gives up Asik and Lin and gets Boozer

Why the relevant parties do it:
With Chicago it's obvious (although no doubt Denny thinks they don't get enough):
they get an all-star PF, they KEEP Noah, and they get a starter at SG and a backup PG into the bargain! The only barrier to them doing this is that they're cheap. But if Rose makes enough noise, it might force their hand.

With Portland: we get young cheap assets and a guard who will allow Lillard and CJ to play to their strengths.

Houston is probably the team that this makes the least sense for, although in the short term they certainly improve because they add Boozer at their position of most need (who is their current starter at PF? Patterson?) Probably they can do better. BUT: suppose they tell Mo Williams "if you sign with us you're our starter at PG even tho' we can't pay you more than Miami or Memphis" - he's actually ideal for them because he can be to Harden what he was to Lebron, a scorer off the ball. Then, effectively, they improve at two positions (because Mo Williams fits their style better than Lin does).

 

[3RA1N1AC]

 

[RoyToy]

Dude

No

 

[BigGameDamian]

As this is going to be the season of "When is the Aldridge Trade Happening?" and we've already had about three threads mostly about it, how 'bout we make a single thread? Let's try to keep this on topic and try not to go more than two or three posts without a suggested trade. Unfortunately, TradeMachine no longer works. You can use it, but it just says every single trade works, whether or not it's remotely feasible. Nonetheless, you can use it to compare salaries.

I'm still fixated on a trade that involves Chicago (because of the whole Rose-and-LA-sharing-agents thing, and also that they have the best cost-free assets in the rights to Mirotic and CHA's pick [albeit top 10 protected]) and Houston (because they HAVE to trade Asik now). So I'll kick off with this one:

Portland gives up Lamarcus AND Wesley Matthews and gets:
Asik
Taj Gibson
Kirk Hinrich (why? because he can be played next to both Lillard and CJ, and has shown that he can defend SGs, because that's what he did last year. Plus his contract runs out soon)
One/both of rights to Mirotic, CHA's pick

Chicago gives up Boozer, Gibson, Hinrick, Mirotic/CHA pick and gets:
Aldridge
Wesley
Jeremy Lin

Houston gives up Asik and Lin and gets Boozer

Why the relevant parties do it:
With Chicago it's obvious (although no doubt Denny thinks they don't get enough):
they get an all-star PF, they KEEP Noah, and they get a starter at SG and a backup PG into the bargain! The only barrier to them doing this is that they're cheap. But if Rose makes enough noise, it might force their hand.

With Portland: we get young cheap assets and a guard who will allow Lillard and CJ to play to their strengths.

Houston is probably the team that this makes the least sense for, although in the short term they certainly improve because they add Boozer at their position of most need (who is their current starter at PF? Patterson?) Probably they can do better. BUT: suppose they tell Mo Williams "if you sign with us you're our starter at PG even tho' we can't pay you more than Miami or Memphis" - he's actually ideal for them because he can be to Harden what he was to Lebron, a scorer off the ball. Then, effectively, they improve at two positions (because Mo Williams fits their style better than Lin does).

Yes pray tell the Blazers wouldn't want to be the team that lands Boozer.

 

[Draco]

I'd rather just rent Aldridge for the next two years and let him walk.

 

[tlongII]

He is not going to be traded.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Here's a suggestion:
If you don't think Aldridge will/should be traded, or
You're sick of threads about Aldridge trades...

THEN FUCK OFF TO ANOTHER THREAD. WHY ARE YOU EVEN READING THIS?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Yes pray tell the Blazers wouldn't want to be the team that lands Boozer.

Is there a google translate for you?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Monroe makes the most sense.

 

[PapaG]

Monroe makes the most sense.

Why would LMA re-sign with Detroit?

 

[tlongII]

Here's a suggestion:
If you don't think Aldridge will/should be traded, or
You're sick of threads about Aldridge trades...

THEN FUCK OFF TO ANOTHER THREAD. WHY ARE YOU EVEN READING THIS?

Kinda hard not to read with letters that big.

 

[craigehlo]

Why would LMA re-sign with Detroit?

Yep, they are in a worse situation that Portland and in an awful city.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

my precious

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't see the Bulls trading 3 PFs in one deal, nor the Charlotte pick. They don't want Jeremy Lin.

Wes won't start for the Bulls. Jimmy Butler will start. He averaged 13.3 points, 5.2 rebounds, 2.7 assists, and 1.3 steals per game in the playoffs last season. He guarded LeBron in the Heat series. As a starter, he averaged 14.5 PPG, 7 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 1.8 steals, and shot .457 and .458 from 3pt.

I also find it strange that you would want to trade for the Bulls backup PF and backup C from two seasons ago.

 

[blazedanugz]

did anybody see LMA answering questions on twitter the other day? im trying to find them right now but he answered about what he thought about the offseason moves, how him and t-rob will blend together and a couple of other interesting topics. im trying to find them right now but if somebody else is more twitter savvy then myself please feel free to put them up here.
He said he really liked the moves and was excited to see what we have in training camp. was also excited about the addition of trob and said that Damian is going to be a beast. I know you cant always believe what people say but atleast he acknowledged the questions from fans when he really didn't have to. I personally don't think LMA is for sure out the door. if we win next year and Damian and nic takes that next step I think LMA stays

 

[Rastapopoulos]

With Chicago it's obvious (although no doubt Denny thinks they don't get enough):

I don't see the Bulls trading 3 PFs in one deal, nor the Charlotte pick. They don't want Jeremy Lin.

Sigh.

Also: I'm still waiting for people to suggest better trades.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Monroe makes the most sense.

To whom? Why? If Detroit wants to trade a younger player at Aldridge's position, you have to think he's not as good. If Detroit trade Monroe, wouldn't it make a LOT more sense if it's for a SF or PG?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

My other suggestion is Aldridge for Ibaka + Steven Adams (+ Deandre Liggins, because we know that OKC is obsessive at staying below the luxury tax threshold)

I know people hate this one because it helps OKC. But at this point I don't care. Do you hate it more than the Chicago one? I think I prefer that one because I think Mirotic could be good and provide scoring in the post. A flaw with both of my suggestions is that both Taj Gibson and Serge Ibaka sort of duplicate Thomas Robinson. But both of them are better defenders, and I guess I don't see the bright future for T-Rob that y'alls do.

 

[magnifier661]

To whom? Why? If Detroit wants to trade a younger player at Aldridge's position, you have to think he's not as good. If Detroit trade Monroe, wouldn't it make a LOT more sense if it's for a SF or PG?

I think it would take a three way; sending Aldridge to Houston, batum to Detroit and asik, Monroe and parson to Portland.

Obviously there are other players to make salaries match

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I think it would take a three way; sending Aldridge to Houston, batum to Detroit and asik, Monroe and parson to Portland.

Obviously there are other players to make salaries match

We give up Aldridge AND Batum for inferior versions of each?

Let me know when Parsons does this.

 

[magnifier661]

We give up Aldridge AND Batum for inferior versions of each?

Let me know when Parsons does this.

And asik

 

[Rastapopoulos]

And asik

Doesn't matter: Portland comes off worst in that three-way. We may have to trade Aldridge but damned if I'm giving up Batum. (Also: who's Houston's SF now? And that would be pretty rich given that Parsons was the one who worked tirelessly to recruit Howard.)

 

[Denny Crane]

Sigh.

Also: I'm still waiting for people to suggest better trades.

It isn't a question of getting enough, but rather of giving up too much.

If you don't want an honest appraisal of your suggested trade, don't ask for it

 

[Rastapopoulos]

If you don't want an honest appraisal of your suggested trade, don't ask for it

I want that, but I also want you not to be such a colossal homer.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

He said he really liked the moves and was excited to see what we have in training camp. was also excited about the addition of trob and said that Damian is going to be a beast. I know you cant always believe what people say but atleast he acknowledged the questions from fans when he really didn't have to. I personally don't think LMA is for sure out the door. if we win next year and Damian and nic takes that next step I think LMA stays

I don't know if Aldridge is gone or not. I hope not, because it'll be pretty much impossible to get equal value. But just about every player knows enough nowadays knows enough not to come out and say "trade me, mothafuckas!" because you can bet their agents are in their ears CONSTANTLY saying that.

He could just have put his house on the market for no good reason...

For what it's worth (which, admittedly, isn't much):

Topic #3: LaMarcus Aldridge's future with the Blazers
One Word: Gone
He's going to be traded. It's just a matter of timing. This depends as much on offers as anything, so Blazer fans will need to cross their fingers and wait. The only alternative is riding out an unrestricted free agency period in which he says he wants to "explore his options". Nobody is ready for that ride. Start the 2015 trade deadline countdown clock now.

 

[Denny Crane]

I want that, but I also want you not to be such a colossal homer.

I think you're a colossal homer. Most fans are. I'm rather skeptical about the Bulls chances if they don't make a move. On the other hand, I don't think they should deal all of their strength from their position of strength.

Mirotic might be 90% the player LMA is. Doesn't mean I'd throw him in to "sweeten" a deal that already isn't favorable.

I like LMA, but I don't think if we lose Taj and Boozer and Mirotic to get him that we're more likely to win a championship. We would be playing Nazr Mohammed 16 minutes a game.

I also like the idea of rolling the dice on Mirotic and the pick with the core we have. It's not out of the realm of possibility that both turn out at least LMA's equal, and we get to watch them as rookies on cheap contracts and then another four years if we extend them.

 

[Rhal]

I think you're a colossal homer. Most fans are. I'm rather skeptical about the Bulls chances if they don't make a move. On the other hand, I don't think they should deal all of their strength from their position of strength.

Mirotic might be 90% the player LMA is. Doesn't mean I'd throw him in to "sweeten" a deal that already isn't favorable.

I like LMA, but I don't think if we lose Taj and Boozer and Mirotic to get him that we're more likely to win a championship. We would be playing Nazr Mohammed 16 minutes a game.

I also like the idea of rolling the dice on Mirotic and the pick with the core we have. It's not out of the realm of possibility that both turn out at least LMA's equal, and we get to watch them as rookies on cheap contracts and then another four years if we extend them.

Your certainly right that every fan is a homer in one way or another, the Chicago/BLazer trades you have taken part in are a great example as most Blazer fans think you overvalue Bulls and you think Blazer fans are overvaluing LMA. If I was a bulls fan i'd rather just not trade for LMA because he would cost you guys to much. The Bulls dont' have a great way outside of trades to get much better, Mirotic and the Bobcats pick are the only ways to bring in really cheap talent for nothing but the Bobcats pick is going to be a long shot to be in the top 3 in 2016 because the bobcats are sure as hell not trying to suck while other teams have hopped on the tank bandwagon and its not outside the realm of possibility that the bobcats pick will be in the 8-14 part of the draft. Also Mirotic could turn out to be a bust, you could end up with neither asset being anywhere near the value of LMA. That of course is just pointing out that as optimistic as you are of those two assets they could very well not live up to the hype.
But as I was saying I don't think its a good fit between the two teams and I like what Chicago has with Rose/Noah/Butler for the future, not sure what you guys will do with Deng, to add LMA to that mix would mean that your owner would have to start paying the lux tax soon because if you have Rose/Noah/LMA going into the future thats going to be damn near all your money just for those players, especially after extensions were given. If you don't extend one of the two in Noah/LMA then what would the point of trading for LMA have been? I like the idea of Chicago not doing any panic trades and instead kind of wait until Miami is out of the way in two years and then make the moves to become the new powerhouse in the east.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Bobcats pick is protected top 10 in 2014 anyway:

2014 first round draft pick to Chicago
Charlotte's 1st round pick to Chicago protected for selections 1-10 in 2014 or 1-8 in 2015 or unprotected in 2016 [Charlotte-Chicago, 2/18/2010]

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I think you're a colossal homer.

Rubbish. Most Blazer fans think Lillard is already as good as Rose and Aldridge is better than Noah. The vast majority of Blazer fans would laugh my trade suggestions off as ludicrously undervaluing the Blazer players.

I don't think they should deal all of their strength from their position of strength.

??

Mirotic might be 90% the player LMA is. Doesn't mean I'd throw him in to "sweeten" a deal that already isn't favorable.

I like Mirotic a lot, but I think that's stretching it. He's certainly not the dominant player in Spain that, say, Marc Gasol was, let alone Pau Gasol. He's going to be pretty damn skinny for an NBA PF. Besides, I don't see him as the "sweetener". I see him as the reason the trade is even considered on the Blazers' end. Taj Gibson is solid, but he's mainly there because his contract was the right size.

I like LMA, but I don't think if we lose Taj and Boozer and Mirotic to get him that we're more likely to win a championship.

I guess you weren't paying attention to the way Miami did it. In the new NBA it's stars or nothing. Aldridge is a star. Those other guys aren't. (Although, to be fair, Boozer used to look a lot more star-like.)

We would be playing Nazr Mohammed 16 minutes a game.

It's not too late to jump into the Greg Oden sweepstakes...

I also like the idea of rolling the dice on Mirotic and the pick with the core we have. It's not out of the realm of possibility that both turn out at least LMA's equal, and we get to watch them as rookies on cheap contracts and then another four years if we extend them.

In all likelihood Chicago WILL stand pat. But if they do that, will the core stay together? Will the window for contending close? The Nets and Indy have moved ahead of Chicago already, and Miami have conclusively proved they can beat Chicago as currently constructed. It's like Chicago is the Andy Murray of a few years ago - good, but with Federer, Nadal and Djokovic firmly ahead of them. How's Derrick "The Best Player in the NBA" Rose going to feel about that? And Noah's body isn't all that sound, and you're going to lose Deng too, soon. You can comfort yourself that Jimmy "the guy from Marquette who got drafted because of Wesley" is as good, but I say he's like Nate Robinson: a replaceable part in Thibs's system.

If Chicago is serious about contending, then Aldridge is probably the most getable extra star. Anyone but a Chicago homer will tell you that he's better than any player you've got not called Rose or Noah (and most non-Chicago fans will say he's better than Noah - I happen to be a huge Noah fan). Mirotic and the Charlotte pick aren't going to keep fans happy, especially if Mirotic stays in Europe much longer - which he well might, especially as he can earn more there at the moment.

 

[Denny Crane]

Rubbish. Most Blazer fans think Lillard is already as good as Rose and Aldridge is better than Noah. The vast majority of Blazer fans would laugh my trade suggestions off as ludicrously undervaluing the Blazer players.

And I'm the homer?

Geez.