Oregon Ducks 2023! (2 Viewers)

[BBert]

Sign with Texas.

Boo

 

[wizenheimer]

 

[MickZagger]

I think the only place the Ducks have to worry about Lanning leaving to is the NFL. And that league is fixated on offensive oriented coaches right now. So I don’t see that happening

 

[MickZagger]

 

[wizenheimer]

in case you're wondering about Oregon's scholarship picture:






92 scholarships with the NCAA limit being 85. The Duck have to be at that limit by sometime in training camp, IIRC

the current portal has a Jan 2nd deadline for entry; so, including today, there are 10 more days to this portal. And, there's a 15 day portal in the spring, April 15-30.

Jordan Burch and Terrance Ferguson still haven't said if they are entering the draft. Same for Bassa

Ducks are still holding open spots for Walter Nolen (unlikely) and Derrick Harmon (50-50). Maybe a safety and CB too. And with the recent ruling that the NCAA won't enforce the multiple transfer rule, there could be a lot more players entering in the next 10 days (some may be Ducks).

it's a definite numbers crunch but Lanning & staff have shown they are willing to process players. You have to be willing if you want to remain competitive

 

[SlyPokerDog]

in case you're wondering about Oregon's scholarship picture:


92 scholarships with the NCAA limit being 85. The Duck have to be at that limit by sometime in training camp, IIRC

the current portal has a Jan 2nd deadline for entry; so, including today, there are 10 more days to this portal. And, there's a 15 day portal in the spring, April 15-30.

Jordan Burch and Terrance Ferguson still haven't said if they are entering the draft. Same for Bassa

Ducks are still holding open spots for Walter Nolen (unlikely) and Derrick Harmon (50-50). Maybe a safety and CB too. And with the recent ruling that the NCAA won't enforce the multiple transfer rule, there could be a lot more players entering in the next 10 days (some may be Ducks).

it's a definite numbers crunch but Lanning & staff have shown they are willing to process players. You have to be willing if you want to remain competitive

Can a player's NIL deal involve paying their tuition so they aren't on a scholarship?

 

[wizenheimer]

Can a player's NIL deal involve paying their tuition so they aren't on a scholarship?

directly?....probably not

but say Division Street approached Dillon Gabriel and said we'll pay you 1.2M to go to Oregon. But we'll pay you 1.3M to enroll at Oregon and walk-on to the football team. What could the NCAA do about that? That just seems to be a contract between Division St. and Gabriel with simple terms and options. And over the last 3 years the NCAA is like a turtle that keeps getting poked with a stick and keeps pulling it's head further and further into it's shell and the shell keeps shrinking. And the courts are the ones poking with sticks; the NCAA has lost every court battle and ended up pretty toothless

 

[wizenheimer]

as expected, Walter Nolen committed to Ole Miss

 

[Natebishop3]

Man, we have so many guys under scholarship... how are we ever going to get back to the required number!?!?

 

[Tince]

Man, we have so many guys under scholarship... how are we ever going to get back to the required number!?!?

Yes they will... I've never seen a program start the season with more than 85 scholarship players, they always find a way to process. Oregon had more players under scholarship in the off-season last year.

It should also be noted with NIL a player could effectively have their tuition and living expenses covered without having a scholarship. Some schools do this for all walk-ons.

 

[Predator]

Can a player's NIL deal involve paying their tuition so they aren't on a scholarship?

No

If you go on an official visit you must be on a football scholarship

 

[Predator]

Yes they will... I've never seen a program start the season with more than 85 scholarship players, they always find a way to process. Oregon had more players under scholarship in the off-season last year.

It should also be noted with NIL a player could effectively have their tuition and living expenses covered without having a scholarship. Some schools do this for all walk-ons.

You can’t just move a player from scholarship to NIL unless they were a walk on originally

 

[Tince]

You can’t just move a player from scholarship to NIL unless they were a walk on originally

Correct... but my understanding is that any incoming transfer could be a walk-on, even if they were previously a scholarship player. So in theory, Dillon Gaberial could have another $50k or whatever added to his NIL and not be on scholarship, though many are already counting him as a scholarship player.

Is that incorrect?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

We could offer them scholarships to Crew or Competitive Cheerleading.

So they're on scholarship but not just a football scholarship.

 

[Quatro44]

We could offer them scholarships to Crew or Competitive Cheerleading.

So they're on scholarship but not just a football scholarship.

Good idea but, Lori Loughlin’s nepo babies ruined that kinda plan.

 

[Predator]

Correct... but my understanding is that any incoming transfer could be a walk-on, even if they were previously a scholarship player. So in theory, Dillon Gaberial could have another $50k or whatever added to his NIL and not be on scholarship, though many are already counting him as a scholarship player.

Is that incorrect?

Technically I believe that is correct to some extent.

I believe he took an "OV" to Oregon AND/OR if the coaches recruited him at all you couldn't just make him a NIL player.

Essentially the NIL collective would have to offer players bundles of money and those players wouldn't be able to have contact with the staff prior to enrolling is my understanding.

 

[Predator]

We could offer them scholarships to Crew or Competitive Cheerleading.

So they're on scholarship but not just a football scholarship.

Teams used to do that and give players track scholarships but they stopped that by saying if they play football, it counts as a football scholarship because that was an easy way around the 85 limit.

 

[wizenheimer]

Technically I believe that is correct to some extent.

I believe he took an "OV" to Oregon AND/OR if the coaches recruited him at all you couldn't just make him a NIL player.

Essentially the NIL collective would have to offer players bundles of money and those players wouldn't be able to have contact with the staff prior to enrolling is my understanding.

I really don't think there are any substantial rules the NCAA can enforce about NIL because that's an agreement between athlete and a 'private' collective. We've already seen the NCAA back-off on the transfer rules because that's almost certainly an infringement on the right to NIL. I really doubt any restriction or limitation based upon OV's is enforceable.

this the the reality of contract law and not having an anti-trust exemption.

 

[Predator]

I really don't think there are any substantial rules the NCAA can enforce about NIL because that's an agreement between athlete and a 'private' collective. We've already seen the NCAA back-off on the transfer rules because that's almost certainly an infringement on the right to NIL. I really doubt any restriction or limitation based upon OV's is enforceable.

this the the reality of contract law and not having an anti-trust exemption.

they aren't restricting NIL, they're restricting scholarships to 85 by saying that if you take an OV where teams wine and dine you, you'll count against the 85, or if you're actively recruited, you count against the 85. And as far as I'm aware, the conferences don't have a significantly different view on this than the NCAA as of now as I'm sure plenty of member schools would be pissed if Alabama / Ohio State etc. could offer a trillion scholarships.

Now if that gets challenged, or say, a couple of conferences tell the NCAA to fuck off and they'll give out as many scholarships as they want... it could change -- and I'm not even sure what the penalty is for going above the 85. Nor do I know if the NCAA or conference or both would enforce the penalty.

 

[Tince]

they aren't restricting NIL, they're restricting scholarships to 85 by saying that if you take an OV where teams wine and dine you, you'll count against the 85, or if you're actively recruited, you count against the 85. And as far as I'm aware, the conferences don't have a significantly different view on this than the NCAA as of now as I'm sure plenty of member schools would be pissed if Alabama / Ohio State etc. could offer a trillion scholarships.

Now if that gets challenged, or say, a couple of conferences tell the NCAA to fuck off and they'll give out as many scholarships as they want... it could change -- and I'm not even sure what the penalty is for going above the 85. Nor do I know if the NCAA or conference or both would enforce the penalty.

I've read stories of recruits being paid by NILs to visit schools. If I understand the rules correctly:

• It's only an official visit if it is paid for by the school
• If the visit is being paid by a collective, it would not be an official visit
• Walk-ons are allowed to receive NIL deals

So if Dillon Gabriel has his visit paid by Divsion Street and not the Unversity of Oregon, they could structure his NIL to be $1.5-$2.0m and as long as he pays his own tuition, he would not count against the 85 scholarship limit. I'm not saying that is happening or will happen, but I don't see what rule that violates.

 

[wizenheimer]

I've read stories of recruits being paid by NILs to visit schools. If I understand the rules correctly:

• It's only an official visit if it is paid for by the school
• If the visit is being paid by a collective, it would not be an official visit
• Walk-ons are allowed to receive NIL deals

So if Dillon Gabriel has his visit paid by Divsion Street and not the Unversity of Oregon, they could structure his NIL to be $1.5-$2.0m and as long as he pays his own tuition, he would not count against the 85 scholarship limit. I'm not saying that is happening or will happen, but I don't see what rule that violates.

yeah, I think that might be the next big can of worms with NIL. I'd say there could be multiple paths to circumvent the scholarship rules, and I'd be certain the collectives are already traipsing down those paths

it wouldn't have to be a major bump in incentive either. If Gabriel's market value was 1.2M, including a full ride scholarship, making it 1.25M would be a profitable bump. He'd only have to be enrolled for fall term, and the tuition + for one term is probably 20K. He'd still be eligible for the post season even if he wasn't enrolled

 

[Tince]

yeah, I think that might be the next big can of worms with NIL. I'd say there could be multiple paths to circumvent the scholarship rules, and I'd be certain the collectives are already traipsing down those paths

it wouldn't have to be a major bump in incentive either. If Gabriel's market value was 1.2M, including a full ride scholarship, making it 1.25M would be a profitable bump. He'd only have to be enrolled for fall term, and the tuition + for one term is probably 20K. He'd still be eligible for the post season even if he wasn't enrolled

Bingo!

I think Gabriel will be enrolling in winter 2024, so he'd need to get 36 credits at Oregon, but at $903.24/credit, I'm sure he could find $33k to spare in that NIL deal, especially if it got him another weapon.

 

[THE HCP]

Most scholarship offers are actually year to year…..so they might be able to move some numbers around to be honest. Lower a players scholarship amount but make it up in the NIL deal?

 

[wizenheimer]

Most scholarship offers are actually year to year…..so they might be able to move some numbers around to be honest. Lower a players scholarship amount but make it up in the NIL deal?

football scholarships are 'Headcount Scholarships'; meaning they have to be full ride

NIL is a different matter and we have been discussing in NIL will become a legal method of circumventing the 85 scholarship limit

 

[wizenheimer]

apparently Atticus Sappington, the OSU kicker, is transferring to Oregon

 

[wizenheimer]

A bit of a disappointment I think for Oregon; more than Nolen going to Ole Miss

with Taki Tamani and Popo Amumvae both graduating I think the Ducks really wanted to add a big body in the DLine at nose tackle

they do have some big guys there:

My'Keil Gardner 290
Terrance Green 315
Ben Roberts 310
A'Mauri Washington 330
Keyon Ware-Hudson 300

but except for Ware-Hudson, these are freshman/soph with very little experience. Harmon is one of those 360 lb immovable objects in the center of the front-7

still 8 days left to this portal and a 15 day portal in April though

 

[Predator]

I've read stories of recruits being paid by NILs to visit schools. If I understand the rules correctly:

• It's only an official visit if it is paid for by the school
• If the visit is being paid by a collective, it would not be an official visit
• Walk-ons are allowed to receive NIL deals

So if Dillon Gabriel has his visit paid by Divsion Street and not the Unversity of Oregon, they could structure his NIL to be $1.5-$2.0m and as long as he pays his own tuition, he would not count against the 85 scholarship limit. I'm not saying that is happening or will happen, but I don't see what rule that violates.

I see what you’re saying, yeah, that would be fine.

The issue would become contact with the staff in that scenario.

I have no clue how they police that though nor the exact stipulations.

 

[Predator]

Most scholarship offers are actually year to year…..so they might be able to move some numbers around to be honest. Lower a players scholarship amount but make it up in the NIL deal?

I believe the B1G (as a conference stipulation) does 4 year guaranteed scholarships across all sports.

 

[Predator]

The real reason I came to this thread: I wonder if Oregon would have any interest in Purdue DE Nic Scourton

 

[Pinwheel1]

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A bit of a disappointment I think for Oregon; more than Nolen going to Ole Miss

with Taki Tamani and Popo Amumvae both graduating I think the Ducks really wanted to add a big body in the DLine at nose tackle

they do have some big guys there:

My'Keil Gardner 290
Terrance Green 315
Ben Roberts 310
A'Mauri Washington 330
Keyon Ware-Hudson 300

but except for Ware-Hudson, these are freshman/soph with very little experience. Harmon is one of those 360 lb immovable objects in the center of the front-7

still 8 days left to this portal and a 15 day portal in April though

Yeah, he certainly would have been a nice pickup. But we do have a shit load of young depth that needs to play or they could transfer out. Besides Ware Hudson, Roberts has played 8 games and should be able to contribute. I think Washington will be ready as well after a full year in the weight room. Not sure about Green but he has the size.

Then you have a top 5 tackle in Breland coming in and a top 20 in Jericho Johnson. Hopefully, they arrive early and get a full winter workout.