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Pinwheel1 said:
Yeah, I don't think you really thought that through. How often does a program like Liberty go 13-0? What recruits will think about (if they win ) is playing for a team that wins 12 games and brings home a Fiesta Bowl trophy. You have to remember the ages of the recruits and what is important to them. 12 wins is impressive.
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Well I thought it over some more. I can see how Liberty players and recruits would be really excited. But I think Duck players and recruits and fans would be a lot happier if Oregon was playing Penn State, Ole Miss, Oklahoma or Notre Dame. And I don't understand why that didn't happen.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Well I thought it over some more. I can see how Liberty players and recruits would be really excited. But I think Duck players and recruits and fans would be a lot happier if Oregon was playing Penn State, Ole Miss, Oklahoma or Notre Dame. And I don't understand why that didn't happen.
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I'd assume other bowls picked all those schools first and the Fiesta got stuck forced to take Liberty.

Can't imagine Fiesta had the choice of taking Oklahoma but instead picked Liberty.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Well I thought it over some more. I can see how Liberty players and recruits would be really excited. But I think Duck players and recruits and fans would be a lot happier if Oregon was playing Penn State, Ole Miss, Oklahoma or Notre Dame. And I don't understand why that didn't happen.
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The Beavs got Notre Dame is the Sun bowl. Should be a decent game!
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I'd assume other bowls picked all those schools first and the Fiesta got stuck forced to take Liberty.

Can't imagine Fiesta had the choice of taking Oklahoma but instead picked Liberty.
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Is the problem that Oregon is contractually forced to take this bowl?
 
Tince said:
I see a lot of people saying that. The ratings were at an all-time high this year though.
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I don’t think that the change to the transfer portal is a direct correlation. I’m not saying it isn’t, but I’m also not saying it is without any sort of evidence. But you do you.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
I don’t think that the change to the transfer portal is a direct correlation. I’m not saying it isn’t, but I’m also not saying it is without any sort of evidence. But you do you.
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he didn't say its direct correlation, he just pointed out the obvious counter fact that on a macro level ratings are up... no need to be a Slypokerdog

STOMP
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Reading more about the FSU snub its just very surprising.

The whole point of the 4 team playoff was to avoid that situation where there are 3 undefeated teams and the BCS computers had to pick only 2 which could lead to a split champ. Or multiple 1 loss teams with too much reliance on irrelevant stats and little eye test criteria.

I definitely think Texas should've gone over Bama with their H2H win.

Is there any way if FSU wins big over Georgia they can get a share of the national champ? Never imagined we'd see that possibility with a 4 team playoff.
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What I really wonder is if FSU would have been left out for Texas if Georgia had beaten Bama. This feels very much like finding justification not to omit the SEC champ.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Reading more about the FSU snub its just very surprising.

The whole point of the 4 team playoff was to avoid that situation where there are 3 undefeated teams and the BCS computers had to pick only 2 which could lead to a split champ. Or multiple 1 loss teams with too much reliance on irrelevant stats and little eye test criteria.

I definitely think Texas should've gone over Bama with their H2H win.

Is there any way if FSU wins big over Georgia they can get a share of the national champ? Never imagined we'd see that possibility with a 4 team playoff.
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4 team playoff was always stupid. Same problems as the BCS, just more bowl games ruined. We needed at least an 8 team playoff instead of 4.
 
Phatguysrule said:
4 team playoff was always stupid. Same problems as the BCS, just more bowl games ruined. We needed at least an 8 team playoff instead of 4.
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In the 4-team playoff era, have we ever had a team left out that had a truly legit argument like FSU this year?
 
Everything about college football is stupid. Literally everything.

barfo
 
PtldPlatypus said:
In the 4-team playoff era, have we ever had a team left out that had a truly legit argument like FSU this year?
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We've had recent 5 seeds barely sneak in with people saying they didn't belong and win the whole thing.

We've had pretenders sneak in and get throttled because they didn't belong there, so one team basically got a bye in the first round.

We've had two teams from the same conference meeting in the championship without necessarily beating the best teams from the other conferences.

With 8 teams you'd know for sure.

I've just never liked the 4 team playoff, and always regretted the lost opportunity of a really expanded playoff. And now the PAC won't get to be a part of it.

I'm just bitter.
 
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on one hand, I'm surprised because Nix has nothing left to prove at the college level, and there's an injury risk

on the other hand, from what Nix has revealed about his character and his loyalty to Oregon, now, it's not surprising
Will be interesting to see how many Ducks opt-out with Nix choosing to play
 
wizenheimer said:
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on one hand, I'm surprised because Nix has nothing left to prove at the college level, and there's an injury risk

on the other hand, from what Nix has revealed about his character and his loyalty to Oregon, now, it's not surprising
Will be interesting to see how many Ducks opt-out with Nix choosing to play
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That's awesome. I was listening to a pod the other day and they said they think that if Bo plays, a lot of the other guys will play too because they respect him. So we might still see Franklin and Bucky, etc.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
I don’t think that the change to the transfer portal is a direct correlation. I’m not saying it isn’t, but I’m also not saying it is without any sort of evidence. But you do you.
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I'm not sure if it's correlated or not. I'm simply saying that I've been hearing the narrative, but I've yet to see anything that says it's driving a significant amount of people away. I'm certainly not trying to talk you into enjoy the product if you've already decided you don't like it anymore.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Interesting lawsuit. I read the Oregonian's coverage of the bullshit with the beach volleyball team. Read to the end where it gets to the NIL money. If the women win this is going to really hurt a ton of colleges. Oregon can pay the money, but others will struggle.

https://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/20...f-oregon-alleging-violations-of-title-ix.html
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OREGON TITLE IX LAWSUIT PUTS NIL COLLECTIVES IN CROSSHAIRS

In a move that could have far-reaching consequences for the current, collective-driven system of college sports NIL, a group of 32 University of Oregon female athletes filed a class action sex-discrimination lawsuit against their school Friday.

The named plaintiffs, which include 26 members of Oregon’s women’s beach volleyball team and six club rowers, accuse the soon-to-be Big Ten university of violating federal law by depriving them of equal athletic financial aid and other resources. Those other disproportionate resources, the plaintiffs allege, are the benefits UO athletes receive through Oregon’s NIL collective, Division Street, and Opendorse, which hosts the Ducks’ official NIL marketplace.

Though Division Street is a separate legal entity from Oregon, the plaintiffs are attempting to hold the school responsible for what they say are the disparate opportunities the for-profit entity provides female athletes as compared with the men. Crediting the added publicity and support male athletes receive, the lawsuit cites On3’s NIL player valuation rankings, which recently showed three Oregon football players listed among the top-100 college athletes nationally.



The plaintiffs’ 115-page complaint, filed Friday morning in federal court, grew out of a detailed investigation published in July by The Oregonian, which determined the university was likely deficient in five of the nine areas that Title IX mandates equal treatment.

Oregon’s beach volleyball players, the newspaper reported, had never received athletic grants-in-aid during the program’s decade in existence, and was the only Power Five public school program without any scholarship funding in the 2021-22 academic year.

Citing data Oregon submits annually to the Department of Education, the lawsuit notes that while women make up 49% of UO athletes, the school spends only a quarter of its total athletic budget and 15% of its recruiting dollars on them. Accordingly, the lawsuit states, Oregon would have to pay $4.5 million to its female athletes for the past five years to account for just those discrepancies it makes public in compliance with the Equity in Athletic Disclosure Act.

A school spokesperson was not immediately available for comment.

The rowing plaintiffs contend that the university, despite being out of Title IX compliance, refuses to sponsor their sport at the varsity level, thus depriving them of the ability to earn athletic aid and hindering their futures.

The athletes are being represented by prominent Title IX attorney Arthur Bryant, of law firm Bailey & Glasser; he is also currently representing female athletes in sex discrimination cases against Fresno State, San Diego State and the University of Central Oklahoma. Bryant also successfully won against Clemson in 2021, forcing the school to reinstate its men’s track and field and cross country teams, claiming their elimination amounted to gender discrimination.

Bryant has previously signaled an interest in challenging the way some experts believe the college sports system has skirted gender equity requirements by working hand-in-hand with ostensibly independent NIL collectives. In September, he told On3, “NIL and Title IX are about to collide—and it’s just a question of when and where.”



Evidently, the answer is: now and Eugene, Ore.

Up until this point, attention had been focused on the ways the legislative or executive branches—as opposed to the courts—might try to rein in collectives.

In January, The Drake Group, a college sports reform organization, sent a 10-pageletter to the Department of Education’s Office of Civil Rights, asking it to “clarify any confusion” over Title IX’s application to NIL.

“We do not write to suggest that OCR stem this flow of cash to college athletes,” the letter stated, “but rather to alert OCR that this cash is, with the blessing and/or cooperation of the 1000+ universities in the NCAA, flowing predominantly to men.”

Two months later, a delegation from The Drake Group met with OCR staff, later expressing their disappointment when the agency indicted it would take no proactive measures absent formal Title IX complaints.

Since taking over as NCAA president earlier this year, Charlie Baker has repeatedly voiced concerns that collaborations between collectives and schools could pose Title IX problems, imploring Congress to help reconcile the situation.

In early 2022, as Sportico was first to report, the NCAA began probing the relationship between the collective and Oregon, though nothing came of it. Seeded by Nike co-founder Phil Knight and a group of other major UO boosters, Division Street is run by Rosemary St. Clair, a former Nike VP.

Beyond scholarship monies, the Oregon athletes are seeking damages for gender discrepancies in the other ways UO’s athletic money has been allocated, including facilities, mental health services, travel accommodations, daily allowances, equipment, locker room provisions and the compensation of its coaches.

The women’s beach volleyball team practices and plays its matches in a public park, which, according to the complaint, “has bathrooms with no doors on the stalls, and is frequently littered with feces, drug paraphernalia, and other discarded items.”

In a statement through Bailey & Glasser, Ashley Schroeder, the lead plaintiff and beach volleyball captain, said her team was unable to practice this week after a person was found dead near the courts it typically uses.

“We cannot use the restrooms there, because they’re not safe and, sometimes, people are in the stalls using drugs,” Schroeder said. “But the men’s teams have full scholarships, multimillion-dollar budgets, and professional-level, state-of-the-art facilities. I love the University of Oregon, but this hurtful, outrageous sex discrimination has to stop.”

The complaint includes photos of the Ducks’ opulent football facilities, which include an “athlete fitting room” featuring a replica wooden throne from The Kingsman movie franchise.

“The treatment and benefits provided to the men on the football team are especially relevant and highlighted because those men, more than one-third of Oregon’s male student-athletes, receive incredibly exorbitant treatment and benefits—treatment and benefits far superior to those provided to any female student-athletes at Oregon,” the lawsuit states.

Notably, it was former Oregon women’s basketball star Sedona Prince, who helped spur the national conversation over college athlete gender inequality with a 38-second TikTok video during the March 2021 NCAA women’s tournament in San Antonio. Prince juxtaposed a clip of the women’s “weight room,” a small dumbbell rack, with that of the convention-sized training facilities at the men’s tournament in Indianapolis. Prince transferred from Oregon to TCU in April.

https://www.sportico.com/leagues/co...-title-ix-lawsuit-division-street-1234749110/
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Interesting lawsuit. I read the Oregonian's coverage of the bullshit with the beach volleyball team. Read to the end where it gets to the NIL money. If the women win this is going to really hurt a ton of colleges. Oregon can pay the money, but others will struggle.

https://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/20...f-oregon-alleging-violations-of-title-ix.html
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Good gravy..... because women's beach volleyball brings in as much NIL money as football.

Ridiculous. Simply ridiculous. Ironic that they're suing because of fairness, when in reality it's the male athletes who have been getting screwed out of millions of dollars for decades upon decades, and now this lawsuit is trying to screw over those same male athletes once again.
 
Tince said:
Looking forward to the debate about why the 13th and 14th ranked teams got screwed next year.

At least we're heading in the right direction.
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The 13th and 14th teams wouldn't have a shot at winning a title. The 4th and 5th place teams do. Teams have moved up from 4 to 5 the last week and won the championship with the 4 team playoff.

How many other 5 seeds didn't get lucky enough to move up?

I can't think of a 10-12 seed the last 2 weeks of November who had a chance in hell to beat a top 2 seed. Like ever.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
Good gravy..... because women's beach volleyball brings in as much NIL money as football.

Ridiculous. Simply ridiculous. Ironic that they're suing because of fairness, when in reality it's the male athletes who have been getting screwed out of millions of dollars for decades upon decades, and now this lawsuit is trying to screw over those same male athletes once again.
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Yeah, I guess maybe the women should just stick to activities wealthy men ARE happy to pay women for. Hmm.. wonder what that could be...

That's the message our schools should be sending.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I can't think of a 10-12 seed the last 2 weeks of November who had a chance in hell to beat a top 2 seed. Like ever.
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Without digging into November upsets too deep, here a few right off the bat:
  • 2007 - Unranked Illinois beat #1 Ohio St
  • 2016 - Unranked Pitt beat #2 Clemson
  • 2007 - Unranked Arizona beat #2 Oregon
  • 2011 - Unranked Iowa St beat #2 Oklahoma St
#2 Washington this year is far from immune to losing to a team like Penn St, Ole Miss, or Oklahoma. We know #3 Texas could lose to Oklahoma.
 
Tince said:
Without digging into November upsets too deep, here a few right off the bat:

2007 - Unranked Illinois beat #1 Ohio St
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  • November 10 - pre playoff committee
    2016 - Unranked Pitt beat #2 Clemson
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    November 12
    2007 - Unranked Arizona beat #2 Oregon
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    November 15
    2011 - Unranked Iowa St beat #2 Oklahoma St
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    November 19th - pre playoff committee

    #2 Washington this year is far from immune to losing to a team like Penn St, Ole Miss, or Oklahoma. We know #3 Texas could lose to Oklahoma.
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    I'd say rivalry games would be the exception. Even if Oklahoma could beat Texas they'd never make it through any playoff.

    All of those were within the first 2 weeks of November, or they were strange mid-week games.

    None of those teams had any shot at beating another top 10 team. And that's the great thing about the 8-16 team playoff. After the first round there are only legit teams left. Everyone has to beat a great team to get to the championship game.
 
growing rumor that Oklahoma's starting QB this year, Dillon Gabriel, is transferring to Oregon
 
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