Politics Oregon Gov candidates

[Hoopguru]

So you think more cult members will jump ship on Drazan then Dems on Tina? I doubt that.

I think more rep's and will jump ship too Betsy than dems will.
Tina will carry Mult, Lane ,WA & Counties by land slide and Bend Oregon.
A women republican that believes in pro choice will stomach Betsy more so than Tina. Just my 72 year old opinion.

 

[Hoopguru]

So you think more cult members will jump ship on Drazan then Dems on Tina? I doubt that.

Sure do. There are many proc choice republican women that will view Betsy as the more moderate.

 

[Hoopguru]

I don't think so. I would say that just as easily about Republicans.

They find common ground and say it is ok to vote for independent.

Betsy was a longtime Democrat btw.

Don't agree, there're many republican/conservative women and men (maybe they were raised that way and now think for themselves) that are pro choice and have come around on other social issues that will with vote Betsy or Tina.

 

[Lanny]

I just hope we get someone who loves communism is soft on crime, encourages homelessness and understsnds the virtues of not working and leeching off the state.

We also should shut down our farms because they cause the climate to change. Also we need to force inject everyone with the death shots every 3 months to lower out xarbon footprint.

Come on, Trump is no longer President so quit bad mouthing him.

 

[Shaboid]

I find the premise of "X taking votes away from Y" to be somewhat disingenuous. X would have to have someone's vote in order to take them away from Y, but if they aren't voting for X then they aren't that candidates vote in the first place. Idk. Election season sucks.

None of these candidates are taking my vote from a different one, as I haven't decided yet. I guess that's anecdotal, but that's where I'm at.

 

[barfo]

I find the premise of "X taking votes away from Y" to be somewhat disingenuous. X would have to have someone's vote in order to take them away from Y, but if they aren't voting for X then they aren't that candidates vote in the first place. Idk. Election season sucks.

None of these candidates are taking my vote from a different one, as I haven't decided yet. I guess that's anecdotal, but that's where I'm at.

Well, one way to look at it is that if you decide to vote for X, then if your second choice was Y, Y lost out. If you were never going to vote for Z, then your decision between X and Y really doesn't affect how many votes Z gets, but X and Y are still very interested in which you choose.

barfo

 

[donkiez]

Im also in the camp that thinks Betsy is taking more votes from Tina. Homeless, crime and drug use is a big concern with the older moderate democrats. Its a big wedge issue being exploited by the republicans right now. People are fed up enough with it all to vote for change of any sort.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Im also in the camp that thinks Betsy is taking more votes from Tina. Homeless, crime and drug use is a big concern with the older moderate democrats. Its a big wedge issue being exploited by the republicans right now. People are fed up enough with it all to vote for change of any sort.

Which is why Drazen has basically stolen Obama's platform. She says vote for "Change" as much as Johnson says vote for an "Independent Governor"..

This is the problem with voting for Democrats who don't stand for anything except making deals.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I know, and I feel dirty for voting for Tina because she sucks. But, I don't think Betsy has a chance and I don't want Drazan.

I'm kind of in the same spot. I hate it.

 

[barfo]

I don't hate it. I'm no fan of Tina's, but she is so much better than the alternatives that I'll be very happy if she wins. Same as with Biden vs. Trump.

barfo

 

[HailBlazers]

I listened to about the first 55 minutes of the debate this morning.

Kotek: "I don't believe you Betsy, and nobody else does either."

Thanks Chris. Tina doesn't sound very nice.

 

[Shaboid]

Would-be Metolius developers sue Oregon for $30 million, saying state didn’t live up to bargain

Pretty interesting article that mentions 2 of the 3 candidates. I had no idea about this issue. Those developers definitely got hosed, but I doubt they'll be hard up for cash anytime soon.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Thanks Chris. Tina doesn't sound very nice.

These were all paraphrases. Some editorial liberties may have been taken. But I don't think she wanted to be nice there; the A+ rating from the NRA is one of the biggest negatives against Johnson for many Oregon voters.

 

[Phatguysrule]

These were all paraphrases. Some editorial liberties may have been taken. But I don't think she wanted to be nice there; the A+ rating from the NRA is one of the biggest negatives against Johnson for many Oregon voters.

It's also one of the biggest positives for many Oregon voters.

The first group isn't taking any voters away from Drazen. The 2nd group is definitely taking voters away from Kotek.

Were that not the case I bet Kotek would have a sizeable lead in all polls right now.

 

[barfo]

It's also one of the biggest positives for many Oregon voters.

The first group isn't taking any voters away from Drazen. The 2nd group is definitely taking voters away from Kotek.

Were that not the case I bet Kotek would have a sizeable lead in all polls right now.

I think an A+ rating from the NRA would take voters away from Kotek. Lots of her voters would stay home (well, stay home and not vote, rather than stay home and vote).

You can't please all the people all the time.

In another thread today you were saying you wanted politicians who stood for something other than compromise (paraphrasing, I can't find it at the moment).

barfo

 

[Phatguysrule]

I think an A+ rating from the NRA would take voters away from Kotek. Lots of her voters would stay home (well, stay home and not vote, rather than stay home and vote).

You can't please all the people all the time.

In another thread today you were saying you wanted politicians who stood for something other than compromise (paraphrasing, I can't find it at the moment).

barfo

I don't think Kotek would need an A+ rating to retain those voters.

Simply not be supporting further gun control in a state which has enacted a lot of gun control over the last 5 years only to see violent crime and gun crime spike thereafter...

I'm not asking for her to just compromise, I'm asking for a Democrat to take a different approach to this issue. Just pushing more gun control only hurts.

 

[barfo]

I don't think Kotek would need an A+ rating to retain those voters.

Simply not be supporting further gun control in a state which has enacted a lot of gun control over the last 5 years only to see violent crime and gun crime spike thereafter...

I'm not asking for her to just compromise, I'm asking for a Democrat to take a different approach to this issue. Just pushing more gun control only hurts.

That's not what she stands for. You should respect her more for not moving towards your position

barfo

 

[Lanny]

Well, one way to look at it is that if you decide to vote for X, then if your second choice was Y, Y lost out. If you were never going to vote for Z, then your decision between X and Y really doesn't affect how many votes Z gets, but X and Y are still very interested in which you choose.

barfo

All the thought required to figure out what you just said bothers my pretty, little head. I like to simplify it down to: vote for my candidate and I'm your friend, don't vote for my candidate and fuck you.

 

[Lanny]

I don't think Kotek would need an A+ rating to retain those voters.

Simply not be supporting further gun control in a state which has enacted a lot of gun control over the last 5 years only to see violent crime and gun crime spike thereafter...

I'm not asking for her to just compromise, I'm asking for a Democrat to take a different approach to this issue. Just pushing more gun control only hurts.

Gun crime can only be solved by both the state which has a limited effect and by federal intervention which has a vastly greater impact.

 

[Phatguysrule]

That's not what she stands for. You should respect her more for not moving towards your position

barfo

She doesn't stand for anything on guns. She's just parroting the party line. There is nothing to respect in that.

It may cost her the election...

 

[Lanny]

She doesn't stand for anything on guns. She's just parroting the party line. There is nothing to respect in that.

It may cost her the election...

It's going to be a route.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Gun crime can only be solved by both the state which has a limited effect and by federal intervention which has a vastly greater impact.

Neither has had any consistent impact by restrictions on guns though.

For every state or country that has restricted guns and seen a drop in violent crime or murder rates, there is a state or country which has restricted guns only to see a rise in violent crime and murder rates. Often including rises in gun crime.

Only by increasing their gini coefficient has anybody reduced violent crime and murder rates long term. Increasing access to education, healthcare, improving their social safety nets.

If Kotek were suggesting these instead of increased gun restrictions she'd be several points ahead in all of these polls.

 

[Phatguysrule]

It's going to be a route.

 

[Lanny]

Nothing significant has been tried.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Nothing significant has been tried.

Significant efforts have been made here, as well as other countries.

New restrictions on guns have shown very little correlation with reductions in violent crime or murder rates.

Improve the living standard of your poor and you will see far less killing over time. It's that "simple".

 

[Lanny]

Oh, really? When did they ban guns? How about even a little thing like limit magazine capacity?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Oh, really? When did they ban guns? How about even a little thing like limit magazine capacity?

Brazil virtually banned guns. Violent crime and murder rates increased. Including gun crime.

Australia drastically increased restrictions on guns in the mid 90s, their violent crime and murder rates were almost a mirror of ours as we were letting the assault weapons ban expire and nearly doubling our number of guns. The UK made very similar changes and their violent crime and murder rates actually went up.

We've had magazine limits at the state level in states like Colorado, Chicago, etc, which are also seeing rising violent crime and murder rates...

What we are seeing is a much bigger problem than access to specific weapons.

We have an ever growing population of desperate people and they are acting out of desperation.

Yet Nordic countries have gun ownership rates similar and even higher than we have in the US, including high capacity magazines and military rifles, yet have violent crime and murder rates similar to that of European countries.

 

[barfo]

Neither has had any consistent impact by restrictions on guns though.

For every state or country that has restricted guns and seen a drop in violent crime or murder rates, there is a state or country which has restricted guns only to see a rise in violent crime and murder rates. Often including rises in gun crime.

Only by increasing their gini coefficient has anybody reduced violent crime and murder rates long term. Increasing access to education, healthcare, improving their social safety nets.

If Kotek were suggesting these instead of increased gun restrictions she'd be several points ahead in all of these polls.

I'm not sure that most Oregonians agree with you about the effectiveness of gun control. And I'm pretty sure Kotek is suggesting increased access to education, healthcare, social safety nets.

barfo

 

[Phatguysrule]

I'm not sure that most Oregonians agree with you about the effectiveness of gun control. And I'm pretty sure Kotek is suggesting increased access to education, healthcare, social safety nets.

barfo

It doesn't need to be most oregonians to cost Kotek the election. That's the point.

She's not suggesting those things as the most effective solutions to high rates of violence and crime. Even though they are. She's busy pushing an agenda.

That's part of the reason Betsy Johnson and Drazen have so much support.

 

[Kano John]

Brazil virtually banned guns. Violent crime and murder rates increased. Including gun crime.

Australia drastically increased restrictions on guns in the mid 90s, their violent crime and murder rates were almost a mirror of ours as we were letting the assault weapons ban expire and nearly doubling our number of guns. The UK made very similar changes and their violent crime and murder rates actually went up.

This from fact check:
In 2009, we wrote an Ask FactCheck item for readers who wanted to know, “Did gun control in Australia lead to more murders there last year?” The answer at the time was “no,” and that’s still the case.

In fact, the most recent government report on crime trends in Australia says, “Homicide in Australia has declined over the last 25 years. The current homicide incidence rate is the lowest on record in the past 25 years.”