Orthopedic Surgeon writes in to Blazersedge

[blazedanugz]

some interesting stuff

http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/11/15/1816820/brandon-roy-does-not-have-bone-on-bone-knee-arthritis

 

[Natebishop3]

Re: good info from blazersedge

Brandon has had multiple arthroscopies and (I assume partial menisectomies) within the last few years. All the press releases did not refer to problems with the cartilage back then. However, accelerated cartilage wear can be expected with less menisci to provide shock absorption in the knee. And here is another issue. We don’t know how much menisci remain in both knees and which ones were debrided. The lateral meniscus carries most of the load in the lateral compartment. The medial meniscus shares more of the load with the articular cartilage. This is why lateral menisectomy accelerates degeneration more so than a medial menisectomy. Also, if more than 50% of the meniscus remains, it is still mostly functional.

So my final point is this. We (and I mean us fans) don’t have enough information to truly know exactly what is going on in Brandon’s knee. However, I do know enough to know that if Brandon indeed have "bone-on-bone" in his knee, he would not be playing and would either be booked for surgery or contemplating medical retirement (e.g. Darius Miles).

This is the meat of the article. There's a lot of good information in there, but this is the heart of it.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

So Roy was wrong when he said his knee's are bone on bone?

 

[Natebishop3]

So Roy was wrong when he said his knee's are bone on bone?

Possibly. The doctor merely says that it's unlikely that it's really "bone on bone".

 

[Nikolokolus]

Possibly. The doctor merely says that it's unlikely that it's really "bone on bone".

The part that keeps coming back to me is that specialist in LA saying that surgery wouldn't be much help because there doesn't appear to be much to operate on ... that sure sounds like Bone-on-bone, but maybe I'm reading that wrong.

 

[Natebishop3]

The part that keeps coming back to me is that specialist in LA saying that surgery wouldn't be much help because there doesn't appear to be much to operate on ... that sure sounds like Bone-on-bone, but maybe I'm reading that wrong.

I picked up on that too. This doctor seems to think that if it's bone on bone, it would be so bad that he would have to retire. It feels like we're not getting the whole story.

 

[BlayZa]

worth getting him to have a look at the knee huh , seems to be able to explain shit a lot clearer than anyone associated to brandon that we have...

 

[julius]

I think its fans speculating a lot and attributing the source of their own opinions to Brandon himself.

 

[RR7]

Sweet, more surgeons speculating on Roy's knee. I like that he uses the screen name Odenator69. Somehow, maybe unfairly, but that seems to ding his credibility a little to me. I dunno.

 

[LameR]

It's definitely worth reading. While it is Brandon's own body, he may not be entirely accurate in his medically-related statements.

 

[Boob-No-More]

The part that keeps coming back to me is that specialist in LA saying that surgery wouldn't be much help because there doesn't appear to be much to operate on ... that sure sounds like Bone-on-bone, but maybe I'm reading that wrong.

Could be, is that the exact quote: "there doesn't appear to be much to operate on"? Could mean a number of things, i.e. nothing that requires an operation; or nothing that could be helped by an operation. Two very different interpretations of the same statement. Do you have a link to the exact quote?

BNM

 

[Shooter]

I'm not sure this changes anything. The fact remains that Brandon Roy has a very painful knee condition that limits his effectiveness on the court. I commented on his less-than-100% effort in the pre-season (for which I was blasted) and it's become obvious that he is not the same player now that the regular season is underway.

Medical explanations are helpful, but I suspect that this knee condition will never go away, and that Roy will have to adjust his play accordingly. That means less cutting, driving, jumping, twisting, and more set-up jump shots. He may make this transition successfully, but we've already seen what a radically different player he is this season.

 

[Mediocre Man]

According to my surgeon, everyone is right. he told me that there is probably nothing to operate on, so he is right in saying that surgery isn't an option because there is nothing to operate on. However, the one way to "help" the knee long term is MF surgery. This either could, or could not have been mentioned to Brandon by that Dr.

 

[BGrantFan]

I think its fans speculating a lot and attributing the source of their own opinions to Brandon himself.

Brandon's direct quote: In a recent Jason Quick interview with Brandon, "the problem is bone-on-bone there," Roy said. "Dr. Roberts calls it 'arthritic knee."

My opinions about Roy are based on that quote, among others.

 

[BGrantFan]

According to my surgeon, everyone is right. he told me that there is probably nothing to operate on, so he is right in saying that surgery isn't an option because there is nothing to operate on. However, the one way to "help" the knee long term is MF surgery. This either could, or could not have been mentioned to Brandon by that Dr.

Yet we have first-hand reports from Roy that the LA doctor said that MF wouldn't help his knees.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yet we have first-hand reports from Roy that the LA doctor said that MF wouldn't help his knees.

We will see.

 

[MickZagger]

I'm not sure this changes anything. The fact remains that Brandon Roy has a very painful knee condition that limits his effectiveness on the court. I commented on his less-than-100% effort in the pre-season (for which I was blasted) and it's become obvious that he is not the same player now that the regular season is underway.

Medical explanations are helpful, but I suspect that this knee condition will never go away, and that Roy will have to adjust his play accordingly. That means less cutting, driving, jumping, twisting, and more set-up jump shots. He may make this transition successfully, but we've already seen what a radically different player he is this season.

Quit acting like you knew all along that something was wrong with him. The purpose behind your thread in the preseason was to say that Brandon didn't play with any "heart" and was half-assing it. That players should care more in the preseason, yada yada yada.

Now that we find out that he has a knee injury you act like you knew all along.

 

[MickZagger]

According to my surgeon, everyone is right. he told me that there is probably nothing to operate on, so he is right in saying that surgery isn't an option because there is nothing to operate on. However, the one way to "help" the knee long term is MF surgery. This either could, or could not have been mentioned to Brandon by that Dr.

How often do you talk to your surgeon? Or do you have him on speed dial?

 

[RR7]

I'm not sure this changes anything. The fact remains that Brandon Roy has a very painful knee condition that limits his effectiveness on the court. I commented on his less-than-100% effort in the pre-season (for which I was blasted) and it's become obvious that he is not the same player now that the regular season is underway.

Medical explanations are helpful, but I suspect that this knee condition will never go away, and that Roy will have to adjust his play accordingly. That means less cutting, driving, jumping, twisting, and more set-up jump shots. He may make this transition successfully, but we've already seen what a radically different player he is this season.

So really, what you wanted was him, on a bad knee, to push himself even harder against it, and maybe do more damage? In meaningless games. Noted.

 

[Mediocre Man]

How often do you talk to your surgeon? Or do you have him on speed dial?

He is from Medford, so we struck up a friendship since we both live in the same neighborhood, and both are Oregon transplants.

 

[Shooter]

Quit acting like you knew all along that something was wrong with him. The purpose behind your thread in the preseason was to say that Brandon didn't play with any "heart" and was half-assing it. That players should care more in the preseason, yada yada yada.

And all you and the other geniuses around here said was Brandon is fine, there's nothing to be concerned about, just wait until the season starts, yada yada yada.

Now that we find out that he has a knee injury you act like you knew all along.

Nope. What I knew all along was that he wasn't giving a full effort, and now we know why.

 

[MickZagger]

He is from Medford, so we struck up a friendship since we both live in the same neighborhood, and both are Oregon transplants.

I tried become friends with my surgeon, we struck up a conversation about baseball because he found out I was a fan. I also found out he's a huge fan of porsches, as am I. Nonetheless, I couldn't get his personal number and doesn't want to hang out, I'm just a client. I'm just another number in one of his countless surgeries.

He did prescribe me some good vicodin though. So he's a buddy in my book.

 

[Shooter]

So really, what you wanted was him, on a bad knee, to push himself even harder against it, and maybe do more damage? In meaningless games. Noted.

Don't be an idiot. This is beneath you, whoever you are. Obviously, no one would tell Roy to play harder if we knew he had an injury. The point is, I thought his "disappearing act" during the pre-season was cause for concern, and most people here thought it meant nothing.

 

[MickZagger]

And all you and the other geniuses around here said was Brandon is fine, there's nothing to be concerned about, just wait until the season starts, yada yada yada.


Nope. What I knew all along was that he wasn't giving a full effort, and now we know why.

You said he wasn't giving full effort, he was just lollygagging around. Not true. He was injured, should he have been exerting full energy during a meaningless preseason game if he was injured?

Lets not act like you haven't had a vendetta against Roy for some time either. I rememeber you chiding him for having a kid before he was married and his role in that rap video. The reason you made that thread had little to do with Brandon coasting through a preseason.

 

[Minstrel]

The point is, I thought his "disappearing act" during the pre-season was cause for concern, and most people here thought it meant nothing.

Don't be absurd. You thought his "disappearing act" meant he had no heart and was pathetic. That is what you were ridiculed for, and rightly so. If anything, this new information makes your pre-season position even sillier, since it conclusively proves that it had nothing to do with lack of heart or interest.

As per usual, you were engaging in soapbox moralizing. It just blew up in your face, is all.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I tried become friends with my surgeon, we struck up a conversation about baseball because he found out I was a fan. I also found out he's a huge fan of porsches, as am I. Nonetheless, I couldn't get his personal number and doesn't want to hang out, I'm just a client. I'm just another number in one of his countless surgeries.

He did prescribe me some good vicodin though. So he's a buddy in my book.

My surgeon lives 5 houses down from me and on the other side of the street. He was my neighbor before he was my Dr. He's a good guy, but his wife is a total bitch.

 

[MickZagger]

My surgeon lives 5 houses down from me and on the other side of the street. He was my neighbor before he was my Dr. He's a good guy, but his wife is a total bitch.

You must be loaded. My surgeon lives in a multi-million dollar house on Mt. Scott. He's a great guy, genuine, great bedside manner and doesn't sugar coat. But, he still won't let me hang out with him. I really want to play with all his toys too.

 

[BGrantFan]

As per usual, you were engaging in soapbox moralizing. It just blew up in your face, is all.

The apparent seriousness of Roy's knee issues actually show how much heart and leadership he was giving to his teammates and the organization in the preseason. It would have been easy for him to sign the big contract and then sit out,, claiming a bum knee, but my take is that Brandon's will to succeed would not allow him to do so, even if it meant that so-called "fans" would bash him for "coasting". Now, he is going onto anti-inflammatory meds to try and play, a treatment that can have serious side effects.

 

[Shooter]

You thought his "disappearing act" meant he had no heart and was pathetic.

Well, if his disappearing act was caused by the knee problem, and he would have been playing harder if he could, then that means he disagrees with you and every other genius who thinks it's not important to play hard during the preseason. You were applauding him for "disappearing," when in fact he didn't want to disappear at all!

 

[RR7]

Wow, you're really going to continue to try to spin this as somehow justifying your earlier complaints, huh? Why not lump it all in and say the knee is likely damaged from the extra use of walking to the tunnel during the Anthem, as opposed to staying on the court. Clearly, it all comes back to his hatred of America.