OT: Kevin the "punk" Garnett

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ehh, why not?

so people who don't watch the sorry minnesota timberwolves aren't allowed to dislike garnett now that they've actually seen him play and act the idiot he is?

Well according to our fine sources here, KG's always been a punk. Any somewhat consistent NBA fan had plenty of oppurtunities to watch KG's Timberwolves and decide for themselves whether he was a punk.



This is pretty much a moot discussion anyways. We've gotten away from the original topic.
 
regardless of all the people hating on KG now...he is not the first and only guy talking trash and sliding in cheap shots and he damn sure won't be the last...it's something all player do at various moments. Even the "cleanest" of players can be found guilty of at least talking trash, at some point. Only if the player is winning does it become an issue.

When it's all said and done KG has solidified himself as a sure fire Hall of Famer! And no amount of hating can take that away....which is something the KG fans can bask in!!! :ghoti:

Must spread rep.
 
Must spread rep.

As much as I don't like it, I've resorted to trash talking to get into the head of an opposing player...it's part of the game...anytime you can get the opponent out of playing "thier" game and out of the thier comfort level...you help your whole team.

I've always been a fan of KG (not a blind one) I just realize that having played...sometimes you have to play that way to get respect on the court, field, ice...or wherever. This crap is nothing compared to what goes on under a dogpile on a football field (wear a cup...nuts are never safe).

It all comes down to your team mates and winning...Does anyone even think about how if benifits his team when KG draws all the anger and attention from the opposing team? The team is busy concentrating on KG, where he is and what is gonna do next to mess with us.....and before you know it...Pierce and Allen has been killing em softly...lol...Hell, I'd even play the role of a pompus ass if it meant taking the cross hairs off my team mates.

All I can say is....after Boston won...KG even remembered to give a shout out to Minnesota....that's loyalty and respect...I can get behind that.
 
As much as I don't like it, I've resorted to trash talking to get into the head of an opposing player...it's part of the game...anytime you can get the opponent out of playing "thier" game and out of the thier comfort level...you help your whole team.

I've always been a fan of KG (not a blind one) I just realize that having played...sometimes you have to play that way to get respect on the court, field, ice...or wherever. This crap is nothing compared to what goes on under a dogpile on a football field (wear a cup...nuts are never safe).

That.... MAKES YOU CLASSLESS!!!!!! :ohno:






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So what you're trying to convey is, a small community you posted in took offense to Garnett's trash talking.
No silly. National media (print, TV, radio) ranted on this subject around quite a few times... my links are a small sample of this. I recall Rome ranting on these issues for hours on end. Our chatsite community often reflects what fans are saying nationally and I was giving you a first hand example that directly contradicts your claims. Trying to act like people are just starting to complain now is just flat wrong.
So he had bad grades... I already knew that. Thanks.
the point was to show that he's always been a moron... which is the root cause of what people have been complaining about him since he came into the league. Stupid is as stupid does.
And it contradicts the last part of your post, where you mention his increased sense of entitlement since coming to Boston. Today's KG would not give that interview, at least not in that manner. As for the article itself, yes its kind of silly, but I'm sure if LMA did that, he would get rave reviews from these parts.
thats not an interview I linked, that was his commercial which genius thought it was a good idea. Geez, some of those quotes are incredible.

If LA were to act this, I'm sure someone would defend it... someone always seems to go way out on a limb on every issue with your posts in this thread as example 1A. But having been here daily for years I can assure you there would be many more who would be very concerned as it would be playing right into the Jailblazer image... which would be monumentally stupid.
That I can agree was stupid.
unfortunately it's far from isolated
So you just make my point for me. The vast majority (as I'll say now, since you claim to have seen complaints about Garnett since the interwebs' early stages) of people only notice his shit because of national TV. So why should their opinions be taken seriously?
because image matters especially to the casual fan. Trailblazer fans know this as well as anyone. If I were a Celtics fan, I'd be hoping management would be trying to get through to this dolt about how his cheap shots/techs are playing. Dude needs to reel it in or risk the Celts losing the casual fan. The casual fan represents a whole lot of marketing pull/$$$, which Stern cares deeply about. Losing the casual fan and Stern through his striped minions may not so accommodating come playoff time.
They must have taken a break in the 2000s, because all I remember hearing for the 6-7 years prior to the KG trade was how fierce of a competitor he was, how dedicated to his team he was, and how winning is the single most important thing to him.
the links I provided are from 2002 and 2004... where were you?

If I were making up the best starting 5 I've seen in 30+ years of watching pro hoop, I'd strongly consider young KG as the starting SF... dude was/is an amazing talent. But he is also the same self absorbed idiot he's always been and lately his stupid acts have been increasing and getting a lot of negative attention. That doesn't turn me off to watching him, but I'm not one of the fans who imagines I'd be buddies with the players or is surprised when a dumb jock reveals himself to be just that. I can enjoy KG's play warts and all... but I'm not the casual fan concerned about what the kiddies are absorbing.

STOMP
 
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As I said before, this is a completely moot argument, but I have to respond to this:

because image matters especially to the casual fan. Trailblazer fans know this as well as anyone. If I were a Celtics fan, I'd be hoping management would be trying to get through to this dolt about how his cheap shots/techs are playing. Dude needs to reel it in or risk the Celts losing the casual fan. The casual fan represents a whole lot of marketing pull/$$$, which Stern cares deeply about. Losing the casual fan and Stern through his striped minions may not so accommodating come playoff time.

How in the hell would KG alienate the casual fan? His act, as it relates to this, would draw in the casual fan if anything. Who do you think the casual fan would tune in to watch first... choir boys, or trash talkers? Don't say choir boys, because you would be wrong.


The suggestion that KG alienates the casual fan is ludicrous.
 
Implementation of the dress code seems to show that you're not correct. Seen many Allen Iverson commercials lately? (And I like Iverson). K*be's rape trial caused him to lose every single one of his sponsors, and he's closer to a 2nd-GOAT than Garnett. Bird won't put Tinsley on the floor, b/c he thinks his fan base will revolt. 'Melo's "don't snitch" video was called out by Stern.

Thuggery and "gangsta" don't tend to do much for the casual, paying NBA fan, who demographics show is generally a mid-30's to 50's white male. Sure, lots of other demographics like basketball, and play basketball, but don't pay for basketball. That's who the audience is.

But I guess maybe I'm wrong...I'm not force-fed WEEI except when I have business in Boston or Hartford. They're usually right on the money, right?
 
Please explain how KG acting like a punk draws the casual fan. He's beyond a trash talker, so don't bother using that term.
 
portland fans chose losing with good guys instead of winning with bad guys. and you are trying to tell them that "so-called character" doesn't matter?
 
regardless of all the people hating on KG now...he is not the first and only guy talking trash and sliding in cheap shots and he damn sure won't be the last...it's something all player do at various moments. Even the "cleanest" of players can be found guilty of at least talking trash, at some point. Only if the player is winning does it become an issue.

When it's all said and done KG has solidified himself as a sure fire Hall of Famer! And no amount of hating can take that away....which is something the KG fans can bask in!!! :ghoti:

lol other than the ref incident (which wasn't his fault) i believe tim duncan hasn't :cheers:
 
I regret responding to STOMP's post at all. Because we've gone from a stupid discussion to a far stupider one.

Implementation of the dress code seems to show that you're not correct. Seen many Allen Iverson commercials lately? (And I like Iverson). K*be's rape trial caused him to lose every single one of his sponsors, and he's closer to a 2nd-GOAT than Garnett. Bird won't put Tinsley on the floor, b/c he thinks his fan base will revolt. 'Melo's "don't snitch" video was called out by Stern.

Thuggery and "gangsta" don't tend to do much for the casual, paying NBA fan, who demographics show is generally a mid-30's to 50's white male. Sure, lots of other demographics like basketball, and play basketball, but don't pay for basketball. That's who the audience is.

The dress code has nothing to do with anything. Stern has zero proof that fans were alienated by the 'gangsta' dress code.

But I guess maybe I'm wrong...I'm not force-fed WEEI except when I have business in Boston or Hartford. They're usually right on the money, right?

I don't listen to WEEI.
 
portland fans chose losing with good guys instead of winning with bad guys. and you are trying to tell them that "so-called character" doesn't matter?
Are you implying that KG would have fit in with the Jail Blazer mentality?
 
As I said before, this is a completely moot argument
how so? Sorry, but we're right on topic especially by our standards. Of course if you can't stand the heat...
How in the hell would KG alienate the casual fan? His act, as it relates to this, would draw in the casual fan if anything. Who do you think the casual fan would tune in to watch first... choir boys, or trash talkers? Don't say choir boys, because you would be wrong.

The suggestion that KG alienates the casual fan is ludicrous.
bad behavior isn't celebrated in society, especially in the spotlight. I doubt many tune in or out for just trash talking but combined with the main stuff this thread addresses (KG increasingly being viewed as a cheap shot artist/tough guy poser/moron) and his star power ability to draw eyeballs and move product is far from being enhanced by both an increased level of stupidity and a higher percentage of fans being exposed to it. He has been the face of the franchise in the national ad campaigns by far. Generally people/fans don't want to be associated with negative stuff, and things can snowball in a hurry.

Like I expressed before, hopefully for Celts fans he just takes the BS down a notch or two and allows this to simmer down... I'd expect that people are talking to him about doing just that

STOMP
 
how so? Sorry, but we're right on topic especially by our standards. Of course if you can't stand the heat...

The original argument is whether KG is justified in his actions. Now that we settled that, its been dragged on to 'is KG good for basketball?'. Tell me how its relevant.

bad behavior isn't celebrated in society, especially in the spotlight. I doubt many tune in or out for just trash talking but combined with the main stuff this thread addresses (KG increasingly being viewed as a cheap shot artist/tough guy poser/moron) and his star power ability to draw eyeballs and move product is far from being enhanced by both an increased level of stupidity and a higher percentage of fans being exposed to it. He has been the face of the franchise in the national ad campaigns by far. Generally people/fans don't want to be associated with negative stuff, and things can snowball in a hurry.

Can you hear me back there in the 50s?
 
how so? Sorry, but we're right on topic especially by our standards. Of course if you can't stand the heat...

bad behavior isn't celebrated in society, especially in the spotlight. I doubt many tune in or out for just trash talking but combined with the main stuff this thread addresses (KG increasingly being viewed as a cheap shot artist/tough guy poser/moron) and his star power ability to draw eyeballs and move product is far from being enhanced by both an increased level of stupidity and a higher percentage of fans being exposed to it. He has been the face of the franchise in the national ad campaigns by far. Generally people/fans don't want to be associated with negative stuff, and things can snowball in a hurry.

Like I expressed before, hopefully for Celts fans he just takes the BS down a notch or two and allows this to simmer down... I'd expect that people are talking to him about doing just that

STOMP

I don't think KG alienates the oton fans at all, as long as they win no one would give a rats ass in Boston....seriouly. They have a winning franchise....that's why thiers all this finger pointing.

Did fans stop supporting thier Piston team when they were the Bad Boys or Utah fans stop going to games when Malone an Stockton were being the two quietest cheap shot artists.....not to mention in Football with New England and "spygate"...it is ridiculous for anyone make assumtions and pass judgement for a fanbase based on "thier individual" toughts on a player....when it shows that fans will love and support their players (good or bad) if thier winning.

I'm not a Boston fan,but been I know that if I was, I wouldn't feel compelled to not watch my winning team because of some trash talking and elbows.....that's crazy. Im surprised some people are't catching nosebleed from sitting on that extremly high horse....lol
 
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I don't think KG alienates the oton fans at all, as long as they win no one would give a rats ass in Boston....seriouly. They have a winning franchise....that's why thiers all this finger pointing.

Did fans stop supporting thier Piston team when they were the Bad Boys or Utah fans stop going to games when Malone an Stockton were being the two quietest cheap shot artists.....not to mention in Football with New England and "spygate"...it is ridiculous for anyone make assumtions and pass judgement for a fanbase based on "thier individual" toughts on a player....when it shows that fans will love and support their players (good or bad) if thier winning.

I'm not a Boston fan,but been I know that if I was, I wouldn't feel compelled to not watch my winning team because of some trash talking and elbows.....that's crazy. Im surprised some people are't catching nosebleed from sitting on that extremly high horse....lol
You've veered waaaay off base from my take. In the height of the "Jailblazer" days Portland was seating 20,000+ a night in the Rose Garden. I certainly wasn't having any problem rooting for them as I didn't view their behavior as offensive to me. Nationally was another story entirely. Thats what is risked by being perceived as a bad act. Connecting with viewers nationally... ratings = league $$$

Having repeatedly stated that I'm a fan of Garnett, it's odd that you'd go with the high horse nonsense. I'm not sure how I could make it any more obvious that I'm pointing to how this cheap shot stuff from a team's main star plays in the general public's perception rather then my own rooting interests.

STOMP
 
The original argument is whether KG is justified in his actions. Now that we settled that, its been dragged on to 'is KG good for basketball?'. Tell me how its relevant.
you're not only unfamiliar with KG's history, but new here. Maybe you should just lurk for a while before telling us whats what because you're miles from being on top of matters.
Can you hear me back there in the 50s?
it's about connecting with the masses silly, and that equates to the 2008-9 bottom line for the L.

STOMP
 
JE is formerly jacobyellsbury i believe, and he has been here and at bbf for awhile. he knows his ball, and is sticking up for his player. if not, it would be a big circle jerk here, because we all hate garnett and wish he would catch leprosy of the face, and get moosebumps in his urethra.
 

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