OT: Omer Asik asks Rockets to trade him......Let the rumors begin... (2 Viewers)

[Fez Hammersticks]

Their fans are so delusional.

These are some examples from clutchfans:

* Asik/fodder for Love
* Howard + DMo for Love and Pek
* Asik for Harrison Barnes
* Asik for LMA
* Asik for Horford
* Asik for Taj + CHA pick

Out of their freaking minds

 

[Natebishop3]

Their fans are so delusional.

These are some examples from clutchfans:

* Asik/fodder for Love
* Howard + DMo for Love and Pek
* Asik for Harrison Barnes
* Asik for LMA
* Asik for Horford
* Asik for Taj + CHA pick

Out of their freaking minds

Asik for Barnes could happen, but I doubt it. I don't think GSW needs a center right now. The rest of the trades are a joke.

 

[illmatic99]

Put Asik in our center rotation, and we suddenly become one of the hardest teams to score in the paint against. Can we work a three way with MIL?

We have like nothing they want.

 

[Natebishop3]

Put Asik in our center rotation, and we suddenly become one of the hardest teams to score in the paint against. Can we work a three way with MIL?

We have like nothing they want.

We have something they want.... we just aren't trading them Aldridge for Asik.

 

[illmatic99]

Obviously. Most I'd be willing to give are either CJ or Wes, and to make salary work, I'd give up Wes.

Wes + Leonard for Asik is great value for us I think and would put us in great position for some playoff success. If these last 9 games have shown us anything, it's that our interior D is our biggest weakness, and this would solve that in a hurry.

Wes + Meyers to MIL (Matthews' home state)
Illyasova to HOU
Asik to POR

Then start Mo/DWright at SG until CJ is set to come back.

 

[Strenuus]

Obviously. Most I'd be willing to give are either CJ or Wes, and to make salary work, I'd give up Wes.

Wes + Leonard for Asik is great value for us I think and would put us in great position for some playoff success. If these last 9 games have shown us anything, it's that our interior D is our biggest weakness, and this would solve that in a hurry.

Wes + Meyers to MIL (Matthews' home state)
Illyasova to HOU
Asik to POR

Then start Mo/DWright at SG until CJ is set to come back.

They want LMA. They rank asik high as hell, so they think they can get LMA. It's not happening with Portland.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Obviously. Most I'd be willing to give are either CJ or Wes, and to make salary work, I'd give up Wes.

Wes + Leonard for Asik is great value for us I think and would put us in great position for some playoff success. If these last 9 games have shown us anything, it's that our interior D is our biggest weakness, and this would solve that in a hurry.

Wes + Meyers to MIL (Matthews' home state)
Illyasova to HOU
Asik to POR

Then start Mo/DWright at SG until CJ is set to come back.

I agree -- CJ is the SGOTF.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Wes + Meyers to MIL (Matthews' home state)
Illyasova to HOU
Asik to POR

I could see that deal going down, only with NY in our place sending Iman Shumpert to MIL.

 

[illmatic99]

Not a bad idea either, but I don't think NY will take on Asik's 8 mil salary to fill a hole at C for just ~15 games.

 

[Run BJM]

Asik for Barnes could happen, but I doubt it. I don't think GSW needs a center right now. The rest of the trades are a joke.

Makes no sense with Bogut still in GS. You don't need 48 min of lumbering white 7 footer in today's NBA. Would rather keep rolling out Bogut/Ezeli/JO and hold on to Barnes.

 

[Boob-No-More]

His rebounding percentage is 13.8% Joel Pryzbilla was an elite level rebounder and his rating was over 30%. And if you think that is just an early season fluke, his rebounding % last year was only 12.8% Omer Asik's rebounding % last year was 22%

No player in the history of the NBA has had a TRB% over 30%. Joel's career best was 22.1% in 2008-09. He led the league in TRB% that season, and had two other seasons of TRB > 20% in his career. TRB% > 20 is indeed elite, and his career TRB% of 18.6 is definitely above average.

Lopez does have unimpressive individual rebounding stats, but his teammates rebound better when he is on the floor. Aldridge got off to a slow start, but has had 4 straight double doubles, is averaging 12.5 reb over the last 4 games and has now matched his career best of 9.1 rpg. Batum (6.4 rpg, previous career high 5.6 rpg), Matthews (5.0 rpg, previous career high 3.4 rpg) and Lillard (4.8 rpg, previous career high 2.9 rpg) are all averaging career highs in rpg, by a significant margin playing with Lopez. So, all 4 other starters are at, or significantly above their career best rpg, and the Blazers are out rebounding their opponents by 4.4 rpg (44.9 vs. 40.5). They are also 7-2.

So, would Asik really help the team rebounding that much, or would he just be getting rebounds at the expense of his teammates? In spite of Asik's superior individual rebounding stats, I'd be inclined to stay with what is working for the team. Why fix what isn't broken - and risk screwing up the team chemistry in the process?

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

No player in the history of the NBA has had a TRB% over 30%. Joel's career best was 22.1% in 2008-09. He led the league in TRB% that season, and had two other seasons of TRB > 20% in his career. TRB% > 20 is indeed elite, and his career TRB% of 18.6 is definitely above average.

Lopez does have unimpressive individual rebounding stats, but his teammates rebound better when he is on the floor. Aldridge got off to a slow start, but has had 4 straight double doubles, is averaging 12.5 reb over the last 4 games and has now matched his career best of 9.1 rpg. Batum (6.4 rpg, previous career high 5.6 rpg), Matthews (5.0 rpg, previous career high 3.4 rpg) and Lillard (4.8 rpg, previous career high 2.9 rpg) are all averaging career highs in rpg, by a significant margin playing with Lopez. So, all 4 other starters are at, or significantly above their career best rpg, and the Blazers are out rebounding their opponents by 4.4 rpg (44.9 vs. 40.5). They are also 7-2.

So, would Asik really help the team rebounding that much, or would he just be getting rebounds at the expense of his teammates? In spite of Asik's superior individual rebounding stats, I'd be inclined to stay with what is working for the team. Why fix what isn't broken - and risk screwing up the team chemistry in the process?

BNM

And that's why I don't see us making any trades unless things go horribly wrong.

 

[Rhal]

No player in the history of the NBA has had a TRB% over 30%. Joel's career best was 22.1% in 2008-09. He led the league in TRB% that season, and had two other seasons of TRB > 20% in his career. TRB% > 20 is indeed elite, and his career TRB% of 18.6 is definitely above average.

Lopez does have unimpressive individual rebounding stats, but his teammates rebound better when he is on the floor. Aldridge got off to a slow start, but has had 4 straight double doubles, is averaging 12.5 reb over the last 4 games and has now matched his career best of 9.1 rpg. Batum (6.4 rpg, previous career high 5.6 rpg), Matthews (5.0 rpg, previous career high 3.4 rpg) and Lillard (4.8 rpg, previous career high 2.9 rpg) are all averaging career highs in rpg, by a significant margin playing with Lopez. So, all 4 other starters are at, or significantly above their career best rpg, and the Blazers are out rebounding their opponents by 4.4 rpg (44.9 vs. 40.5). They are also 7-2.

So, would Asik really help the team rebounding that much, or would he just be getting rebounds at the expense of his teammates? In spite of Asik's superior individual rebounding stats, I'd be inclined to stay with what is working for the team. Why fix what isn't broken - and risk screwing up the team chemistry in the process?

BNM

Nice post. This is a big reason why i'm fine with sticking with Lopez. He has clicked with the team and you can see that in both the statistics and the play on the court.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Lopez' size alone has made a big impact on the court.

There's no way he's only 7'0" -- fro factored in, he looks every bit of 7'2".

 

[magnifier661]

No player in the history of the NBA has had a TRB% over 30%. Joel's career best was 22.1% in 2008-09. He led the league in TRB% that season, and had two other seasons of TRB > 20% in his career. TRB% > 20 is indeed elite, and his career TRB% of 18.6 is definitely above average.

Lopez does have unimpressive individual rebounding stats, but his teammates rebound better when he is on the floor. Aldridge got off to a slow start, but has had 4 straight double doubles, is averaging 12.5 reb over the last 4 games and has now matched his career best of 9.1 rpg. Batum (6.4 rpg, previous career high 5.6 rpg), Matthews (5.0 rpg, previous career high 3.4 rpg) and Lillard (4.8 rpg, previous career high 2.9 rpg) are all averaging career highs in rpg, by a significant margin playing with Lopez. So, all 4 other starters are at, or significantly above their career best rpg, and the Blazers are out rebounding their opponents by 4.4 rpg (44.9 vs. 40.5). They are also 7-2.

So, would Asik really help the team rebounding that much, or would he just be getting rebounds at the expense of his teammates? In spite of Asik's superior individual rebounding stats, I'd be inclined to stay with what is working for the team. Why fix what isn't broken - and risk screwing up the team chemistry in the process?

BNM

I couldn't of said it better myself! Nice work again bnm

 

[magnifier661]

Lopez' size alone has made a big impact on the court.

There's no way he's only 7'0" -- fro factored in, he looks every bit of 7'2".

In all seriousness, he does look like he's much bigger than every other player out there. It's pretty impressive!

 

[illmatic99]

Rebounding isn't an issue. Defense is.

So far this season, look at our opponent's production when Lopez has guarded him: Plumlee, Cousins 2x, Drummond, Dwight, Duncan, and even Sullinger had ridiculous numbers and dominated the paint. Rolo is decent, but he's nowhere near Asik in terms of defensive ability. He'd make us elite.

 

[Denny Crane]

No player in the history of the NBA has had a TRB% over 30%. Joel's career best was 22.1% in 2008-09. He led the league in TRB% that season, and had two other seasons of TRB > 20% in his career. TRB% > 20 is indeed elite, and his career TRB% of 18.6 is definitely above average.

Lopez does have unimpressive individual rebounding stats, but his teammates rebound better when he is on the floor. Aldridge got off to a slow start, but has had 4 straight double doubles, is averaging 12.5 reb over the last 4 games and has now matched his career best of 9.1 rpg. Batum (6.4 rpg, previous career high 5.6 rpg), Matthews (5.0 rpg, previous career high 3.4 rpg) and Lillard (4.8 rpg, previous career high 2.9 rpg) are all averaging career highs in rpg, by a significant margin playing with Lopez. So, all 4 other starters are at, or significantly above their career best rpg, and the Blazers are out rebounding their opponents by 4.4 rpg (44.9 vs. 40.5). They are also 7-2.

So, would Asik really help the team rebounding that much, or would he just be getting rebounds at the expense of his teammates? In spite of Asik's superior individual rebounding stats, I'd be inclined to stay with what is working for the team. Why fix what isn't broken - and risk screwing up the team chemistry in the process?

BNM

Regarding your last paragraph... I looked at the Blazers' last two box scores.

Against Boston, the team had 47 rebounds, Lopez 10.
Against Pheonix, the team had 51 rebounds, Lopez 15.

So it looks to me like if the C gets 5 more rebounds, the team gets 4 more total rebounds. That's adding 4 rebounds, not taking any away from the others.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Lopez' size alone has made a big impact on the court.

There's no way he's only 7'0" -- fro factored in, he looks every bit of 7'2".

Ya but size is overrated.

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

Ya but size is overrated.

No it isn't BGD, that's just what girls have been telling you to make you feel better.

 

[riverman]

Having Asik and Lopez would be great if it only required Leonard, Claver, Barton, Crabbe or Watson...Houston gave us TRob for nothing and they can't absorb much salary...as for trading Lopez, Mathews or Batum for Omer, no freakin way. Wes and Nic give us balance. I think it's interesting that Leonard is glued to the bench and not on this road trip...sickness? maybe but you don't want to damage a trade piece. I wouldn't be surprised to see Olshey involved in this. We made a run at him when Hibbert was matched by Indiana so we know he's on Olshey's radar

 

[riverman]

Also from what I've seen, Leonard does not want to be a center, pairing him with Howard as a PF would be a move McHale would love and they have Olajuwan as a big man coach.

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

I can't fault the discussion. Asik was a center available for the taking, having whiffed on Hibbert, and yet he he slipped away. But, lets get... serious? He can rebound individually, but does that increase team rebounding? Uhm, sure. Does he increase team rebounding more than Robin? Uhm, sort of. And then, he won't increase Portland's post effectiveness/offense or the side pick and role, his free throw shooting is worse than TRebs, he's even more cumbersome, and he's clearly drama when he's not getting what he feels he deserves. Locker room chemistry is so painfully ignored when these topics first poop out, and yet often fans remain incredulous if not unawair of the locker room cancer written all over the Turkish time-bomb. He's not your chubby bunny from the Miami Dolphins variety, but more of a prima donna. Opportunity cost guys. Why do some fans insist on (I'm gonna do it lol) f-ing up a good thing?

Why even get into what Houston would expect in return, it's TOO GD much and they aren't gonna go for 3rd string scraps Portland would let part with when they are in championship or bust mode. If y'all want this dope, it's coo, I just don't want to hear any open tears of a broken dreams for the play-offs when it actually makes Portland worse... and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

Regarding your last paragraph... I looked at the Blazers' last two box scores.

Against Boston, the team had 47 rebounds, Lopez 10.
Against Pheonix, the team had 51 rebounds, Lopez 15.

So it looks to me like if the C gets 5 more rebounds, the team gets 4 more total rebounds. That's adding 4 rebounds, not taking any away from the others.

Holy sample size Batman! lol

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

Rebounding isn't an issue. Defense is.

So far this season, look at our opponent's production when Lopez has guarded him: Plumlee, Cousins 2x, Drummond, Dwight, Duncan, and even Sullinger had ridiculous numbers and dominated the paint. Rolo is decent, but he's nowhere near Asik in terms of defensive ability. He'd make us elite.

Elite? How "elite" was Houston last season? A team with no bench, and no center, with a rookie PG went 2-2 in games with them last season (see: the Blazers), and Houston was 1 and done with a 4-2 loss to a non-western conference finals team.

Defensive rating:
Asik: 99 points per 100 possessions
Lopez: 101 PP100P

The con's out-weight the pro's, and Portland is a terrible trade partner anyway you cut it. Both teams lose. Portland's problems stem from guard penetration. I wish it were more complicated than that, but it's really not at this juncture.

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

Ya but size is overrated.

It's true. I said it. lol

 

[Denny Crane]

Holy sample size Batman! lol

Yeah, it is small sample size, but small sample size is what we have to address the question.

It doesn't match the hypothesis.

 

[MAS RipCity]

Rebounding isn't an issue. Defense is.

So far this season, look at our opponent's production when Lopez has guarded him: Plumlee, Cousins 2x, Drummond, Dwight, Duncan, and even Sullinger had ridiculous numbers and dominated the paint. Rolo is decent, but he's nowhere near Asik in terms of defensive ability. He'd make us elite.

Actually, Lopez was the only Blazer with a positive +/- against the Rockets and he played Dwight pretty well. Dwight was feasting on LA and Meyers that night. And outside of Plumlee's fluke Opening Night performance, the players you mentioned are going to EAT regardless of who is defending them. Robin's job is to make them take difficult shots, and force them to play defense (which he did against Cousins both times).

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

Yeah, it is small sample size, but small sample size is what we have to address the question.

It doesn't match the hypothesis.

I was jokin'. I think we're making the same point, that Asik isn't going to come into Portland and make the Blazers any more elite than with Lopez.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I know I'm late to the thread, but I'm not sure why the OP was meant for us.

a) We have a helluva thing going.
b) As has been discussed, if Asik > Lopez, it's not by much.
c) Asik is kvetching about not starting. Here, I'm not sure he'd start over Lopez. Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't, but I don't think that his minutes problem will get better.
d) HOU really, really needs to move him. Why would we give up anything of value?
e) I'm not sure I'd trade anything big enough to get his salary back. Leonard and Mo, maybe? I like what Wright is doing for us, and he'd be useful to them, but Wright + Leonard? Nah. Hell no to Wes (they don't need him anyway). Lopez would duplicate Asik, and they don't want Dwight to play PF anyway. Batum? Not a chance. LMA would be pretty amazing for them, but as has been discussed ad nauseum, they have nothing for us.
f) Third team involved? Why would they take on Asik right now, unless they were buying low? And if they're buying low, there's nothing close to what we'd want back for giving up anything of value.

I'd really like to trade in my Focus for an Audi S7. The dealer doesn't seem to think it's enough value. Nothing to see here, folks.