OT: What's wrong with the Knicks?

[KingSpeed]

One superstar, a former superstar, and a 6th man of the year winner and they are 4-19! In the EAST! What the fuck is wrong with them? Would the basketball experts here share their thoughts?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Phil Jackson has already explained it. The guys on the team play loser basketball. They need to clean house, keep Melo, use the high lotto pick well, then sign guys with cap space

 

[SlyPokerDog]

One superstar, a former superstar, and a 6th man of the year winner and they are 4-19! In the EAST! What the fuck is wrong with them? Would the basketball experts here share their thoughts?

Their superstar is a great player but does not make the players around him better.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Melo and Jr smith. Two huge balls hogs.

 

[Denny Crane]

Their superstar is a great player but does not make the players around him better.

Who is he supposed to make better? Jason Smith? Quincy Acy?

Their superstar is the only guy on the team getting more than 30 MPG.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Their superstar is the only guy on the team getting more than 30 MPG.

That's a coach who has no idea who is on his team and a GM who has no interest in finding an identity for said roster. Total clown town among the supposed adults.

 

[Denny Crane]

That's a coach who has no idea who is on his team and a GM who hasn't interest in finding an identity for said roster. Total clown town among the supposed adults.

I think the plan is to tank this season and use the high draft pick and lots of cap space to start building a contending team. Given all the salary constraints, there isn't any better option.

I reserve my judgment on PJax as GM until we see him in a position to make serious deals.

 

[magnifier661]

I think the plan is to tank this season and use the high draft pick and lots of cap space to start building a contending team. Given all the salary constraints, there isn't any better option.

I reserve my judgment on PJax as GM until we see him in a position to make serious deals.

100% this

 

[Hobbesarable]

Sly, you should change the thread title to: What isn't wrong with the Knicks?

 

[Pinwheel1]

I wanted no part of Phil in our front office when the discussion came up last year. We will see how his arrogance plays out. I am on record as saying....it won't end well.

 

[illmatic99]

I wanted no part of Phil in our front office when the discussion came up last year. We will see how his arrogance plays out. I am on record as saying....it won't end well.

Seriously. The dude runs the team from 3000 miles away? And he gets paid 15 mil a year. What a joke.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://nypost.com/2014/12/09/phil-jackson-struggling-to-wield-the-power-of-a-president/

 

[illmatic99]

Sources lol

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/sto...armelo-anthony-heart-team-discord-sources-say

 

[donkiez]

Sources lol

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/sto...armelo-anthony-heart-team-discord-sources-say

just read that, wow what a train wreck. Melo is a terrible team leader.

 

[BigGameDamian]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...-Up-Hardaway-As-Tension-Between-Two-Increases

Carmelo Threatens To Beat Up Hardaway As Tension Between Two Increases

Carmelo Anthony and Tim Hardaway Jr. had a verbal altercation during the end of the New York Knicks' loss to the Brooklyn Nets last week.

Hardaway screamed "get the rebound!", which Anthony believed was intended for him. Anthony approached Hardaway on the way down the court using an expletive.

Anthony used another expletive in telling Hardaway he was going to beat him up when they got into the locker room after the game, according to sources.

"Nobody's taken a swing at anybody, but there's a lot of arguing and cursing each other out after games," one source said.

Sources said the most tension exists between Anthony and Hardaway, as they haven't cared for each other almost since Hardaway joined the team last season, with each player believing the other shoots too much and doesn't care about defense.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Sources said the most tension exists between Anthony and Hardaway, as they haven't cared for each other almost since Hardaway joined the team last season, with each player believing the other shoots too much and doesn't care about defense .

Well then, they should be able to work this out and come to a meeting of the minds, after all, they're both right.

BNM

 

[Pinwheel1]

So....who can we trade for Hardaway?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Derek Fisher is a terrible coach and human being.

 

[riverman]

Rookie coach, Diva superstar iso player, thug 6 man, point guard who can't shoot, horrible frontcourt defense, angry lockerroom, Phil Jackson who wants to lose this season. Rumor has it Spike Lee is hanging out in Brooklyn

 

[PtldPlatypus]

So....who can we trade for Hardaway?

Sounds like Freeland is the kind of player Melo would want on his team. I'd make that swap

 

[BigGameDamian]

So....who can we trade for Hardaway?

I'd rather get a nice veteran with good playoff experience.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Shorter list: What's NOT wrong with the Knicks?

 

[Pinwheel1]

I'd rather get a nice veteran with good playoff experience.

Actually I was joking. I doubt he is better than Crabbe. But I would not doubt he will be on the trading block very soon.

 

[Boise Blazer]

On top of all of that they are saying Melo may need knee surgery

 

[handiman]

Anthony used another expletive in telling Hardaway he was going to beat him up when they got into the locker room after the game, according to sources.

To which Hardaway Jr replied, "My dad can beat up your dad!"

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Who is he supposed to make better? Jason Smith? Quincy Acy?

Their superstar is the only guy on the team getting more than 30 MPG.

Looks like you're right, he is making his teammates better by threatening to beat them up.

I just don't think Melo is the player you build your franchise around. You do because Phil Jackson signed him to a huge contract and you think Jackson can do no wrong.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Who is he supposed to make better? Jason Smith? Quincy Acy?

Their superstar is the only guy on the team getting more than 30 MPG.

You make a valid point.

I've never been a Melo fan, his 1-on-1, ball dominant style kills ball movement and offensive flow. And, then there's his lack of effort on the defensive end and his ridiculous contract, but they have much bigger problems. That roster is an absolute disaster. Outside of Melo and Amar'e, they don't have a single player with a PER above 14 and more players with -VORP than +VORP. What that basically means is they don't have a single player of average quality other than Melo and Amar'e (who are currently pulling down over $45 million in combined salary this season).

Amar'e is playing better than I expected this year, due to his age a injury history, but he's 5 years removed from his prime and a full six seasons removed from his Nash-fueled hay days in Phoenix. He's been efficient and consistent on offense, but unfortunately he's also been consistent on defense - consistently bad.

So, you have two above average offensive players who are below average on defense and not a single other player on the roster that can even be considered an average NBA player. The only good defender they have is Dalembert, and he's a complete zero on offense. In hindsight, it's surprising they've actually won 4 games with that roster. Sheesh, what a mess. Oh well, cheer up Knick fan(s), at least you managed to dump Raymond "Fat Ass" Felton.

BNM

 

[handiman]

I've never been a Melo fan, his 1-on-1, ball dominant style kills ball movement and offensive flow. And, then there's his lack of effort on the defensive end and his ridiculous contract...

You could easily be describing Harden, and Houston is plenty successful even with Dwight down. I think Melo could still be a very effective player with the right mix of teammates. There's no getting around the fact that a dominant scorer who can close out games is a winning recipe.

 

[Denny Crane]

You make a valid point.

I've never been a Melo fan, his 1-on-1, ball dominant style kills ball movement and offensive flow. And, then there's his lack of effort on the defensive end and his ridiculous contract, but they have much bigger problems. That roster is an absolute disaster. Outside of Melo and Amar'e, they don't have a single player with a PER above 14 and more players with -VORP than +VORP. What that basically means is they don't have a single player of average quality other than Melo and Amar'e (who are currently pulling down over $45 million in combined salary this season).

Amar'e is playing better than I expected this year, due to his age a injury history, but he's 5 years removed from his prime and a full six seasons removed from his Nash-fueled hay days in Phoenix. He's been efficient and consistent on offense, but unfortunately he's also been consistent on defense - consistently bad.

So, you have two above average offensive players who are below average on defense and not a single other player on the roster that can even be considered an average NBA player. The only good defender they have is Dalembert, and he's a complete zero on offense. In hindsight, it's surprising they've actually won 4 games with that roster. Sheesh, what a mess. Oh well, cheer up Knick fan(s), at least you managed to dump Raymond "Fat Ass" Felton.

BNM

Pretty much how I see it. Fortunately, PJax only has to wait out the season and then Amare and Bargnani come off the books. In all, they'll be in about $46M better cap situation and with a pretty good pick next season.

Everywhere they've instituted the triangle offense, the players hated it until they got it down. Jordan did. Kome did. But it's the offense of 11 championship teams in the last ~22 years.

 

[KingSpeed]

Rookie coach, Diva superstar iso player, thug 6 man, point guard who can't shoot, horrible frontcourt defense, angry lockerroom, Phil Jackson who wants to lose this season. Rumor has it Spike Lee is hanging out in Brooklyn

Spike Lee wasn't at Blazers/Knicks on Sunday. I think LeBron was in his seat.