Our hero, Brandon Roy cost PA 17 mill

[Mediocre Man]

I don't think he earned a jersey retire, but he sure did not earn animosity and I'd venture to say the huge majority of Blazers fans don't feel any. Just the ones who feel driven to post here 500 times a day.

I would have thought someone who is judged and stereotyped on a daily basis would not be so quick to do the same to others.....My bad

 

[blazerboy30]

I truly don't get where all the anger is coming from.

1) It isn't your money that is being paid to Roy
2) He did what was best for him and his family, financially.
3) Any poster on here would have done the same thing if given the chance
4) Anybody that has actually been a high-level athlete can understand how difficult it would be to actually admit that it's over and not try to give it another shot.
5) It hasn't hamstrung anything we've tried to do with spending since.

Roy was an amazing player.
He provided some of the most memorable plays, quarters and games I've seen from any player in my life.
He was the biggest factor in bringing the Blazers from the laughingstock of the NBA to at least respectable.

Comparing Martell's quarter to Roy's 4th quarter is idiotic.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I truly don't get where all the anger is coming from.

1) It isn't your money that is being paid to Roy
2) He did what was best for him and his family, financially.
3) Any poster on here would have done the same thing if given the chance
4) Anybody that has actually been a high-level athlete can understand how difficult it would be to actually admit that it's over and not try to give it another shot.
5) It hasn't hamstrung anything we've tried to do with spending since.

Roy was an amazing player.
He provided some of the most memorable plays, quarters and games I've seen from any player in my life.
He was the biggest factor in bringing the Blazers from the laughingstock of the NBA to at least respectable.

Comparing Martell's quarter to Roy's 4th quarter is idiotic.

How is it idiotic to compare quarters? IT'S A QUARTER

 

[blazerboy30]

How is it idiotic to compare quarters? IT'S A QUARTER

Ignoring context is idiotic. CONTEXT MATTERS.

 

[Draco]

I truly don't get where all the anger is coming from.

1) It isn't your money that is being paid to Roy
2) He did what was best for him and his family, financially.
3) Any poster on here would have done the same thing if given the chance
4) Anybody that has actually been a high-level athlete can understand how difficult it would be to actually admit that it's over and not try to give it another shot.
5) It hasn't hamstrung anything we've tried to do with spending since.

Roy was an amazing player.
He provided some of the most memorable plays, quarters and games I've seen from any player in my life.
He was the biggest factor in bringing the Blazers from the laughingstock of the NBA to at least respectable.

Comparing Martell's quarter to Roy's 4th quarter is idiotic.

The team has been run as a strict business the last decade; money flowing out of the business is cash not available for other uses. Paul Allen is not writing checks to the Blazers any longer. Same as cash coming in from the Moda deal could help the team; cash that went out the previous three years and still flowing out the next two years could hurt the team. Roy’s contract extension is significantly more than all 10 years of the Moda deal. Would the team have sold second round draft picks if they weren’t still paying Roy’s contract? Would the team have instead bought picks or other assets? Would the team be more likely to pay luxury tax in the future if it is the difference in a stud player? I hope in the future we don’t have to give up on a Harden player because the franchise has lost so much money.

I didn’t like that Roy went public with his negotiations and painted management as unfair. He was coming off of two years of all-star play and would’ve got a very similar extension regardless of his comments. Players handle negotiations positively and others handle them negatively. I believe its one of many times Roy put his own selfish interest above that of others or the franchise. Not that other people wouldn’t act similarly; just that anyone who does shouldn’t be regarded as some kind of savior for this franchise because that wasn’t his intentions. He was just another player of many doing what was best for himself, and yes having a great couple of seasons in Portland.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Ignoring context is idiotic. CONTEXT MATTERS.

What context?

One was a playoff game that ended up meaning nothing

One was a regular season game that ended up meaning nothing

 

[blazerboy30]

What context?

One was a playoff game that ended up meaning nothing

One was a regular season game that ended up meaning nothing

For somebody that acts like they know the game, these posts are showing an incredible lack of basketball IQ.

Keep going though, it's like watching a one-legged man in an ass kicking contest.

 

[blazerboy30]

The team has been run as a strict business the last decade; money flowing out of the business is cash not available for other uses. Paul Allen is not writing checks to the Blazers any longer. Same as cash coming in from the Moda deal could help the team; cash that went out the previous three years and still flowing out the next two years could hurt the team. Roy’s contract extension is significantly more than all 10 years of the Moda deal. Would the team have sold second round draft picks if they weren’t still paying Roy’s contract? Would the team have instead bought picks or other assets? Would the team be more likely to pay luxury tax in the future if it is the difference in a stud player? I hope in the future we don’t have to give up on a Harden player because the franchise has lost so much money.

I didn’t like that Roy went public with his negotiations and painted management as unfair. He was coming off of two years of all-star play and would’ve got a very similar extension regardless of his comments. Players handle negotiations positively and others handle them negatively. I believe its one of many times Roy put his own selfish interest above that of others or the franchise. Not that other people wouldn’t act similarly; just that anyone who does shouldn’t be regarded as some kind of savior for this franchise because that wasn’t his intentions. He was just another player of many doing what was best for himself, and yes having a great couple of seasons in Portland.

The team being run like a business does not necessarily mean that "money flowing out of the business is cash not available for other uses". That statement basically makes the rest of the post irrelevant. We have shown that when an opportunity presents itself, the team will try to spend the cash.

Selling second round picks has nothing to do with Roy's contract. The team can still be run like a business and step up to spend large amounts of cash when it will be a big and smart investment. Example: offering Hibbert a max deal.

Your second paragraph basically proves that you don't have an unbiased opinion on the subject. You didn't like how he handled the negotiations, so now you're letting that convince you somehow that we are now selling second round picks because of that.

 

[jlprk]

Yes, he sucked.

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Martell Webster had 24 points in a quarter. Should we retire his number? He played in a similar number of games as Roy did for us

What an absolutely idiotic post. This poster is obviously trolling at this point...

Is PapaG ignorant of context on purpose, or just the biggest stupe in the history of trolls? Only his hairdresser knows for sure.

 

[Masbee]

The team being run like a business does not necessarily mean that "money flowing out of the business is cash not available for other uses". That statement basically makes the rest of the post irrelevant. We have shown that when an opportunity presents itself, the team will try to spend the cash.

Selling second round picks has nothing to do with Roy's contract. The team can still be run like a business and step up to spend large amounts of cash when it will be a big and smart investment. Example: offering Hibbert a max deal.

Your second paragraph basically proves that you don't have an unbiased opinion on the subject. You didn't like how he handled the negotiations, so now you're letting that convince you somehow that we are now selling second round picks because of that.

Do you even know what you are talking about?

The Blazers used to spend above average or well above average on EVERYTHING. Staff, stadium, coaches, bench players, buying picks from other teams. They did it ALL. Paul Allen wrote a big fat check to top up the team loses, every year.

Then, they got put on a budget. Spend no more than what you make. If they choose to buy a pick, they have to cut something else. If they pay Brandon Roy a MAX deal to not play on the team, something has to give.

How hard is that to understand?

And that MAX deal was suspect. The team balked at giving him the full years. They only wanted to guarantee 4 years. Roy put on a public campaign to shame the team, and at the same time refused to play or work out.

If some folks want to put on Rose colored glasses and put Roy on a pedestal and refuse to think he could have put the team in a bad spot, that is their prerogative. Don't think others have to buy in to your unicorn and rainbow stories.

 

[PapaG]

The team being run like a business does not necessarily mean that "money flowing out of the business is cash not available for other uses". That statement basically makes the rest of the post irrelevant. We have shown that when an opportunity presents itself, the team will try to spend the cash.

Selling second round picks has nothing to do with Roy's contract. The team can still be run like a business and step up to spend large amounts of cash when it will be a big and smart investment. Example: offering Hibbert a max deal.

Your second paragraph basically proves that you don't have an unbiased opinion on the subject. You didn't like how he handled the negotiations, so now you're letting that convince you somehow that we are now selling second round picks because of that.

One would assume that Roy's contract was included as being a part of "running the business", and is accounted for annually.

 

[PapaG]

Do you even know what you are talking about?

The Blazers used to spend above average or well above average on EVERYTHING. Staff, stadium, coaches, bench players, buying picks from other teams. They did it ALL. Paul Allen wrote a big fat check to top up the team loses, every year.

Then, they got put on a budget. Spend no more than what you make. If they choose to buy a pick, they have to cut something else. If they pay Brandon Roy a MAX deal to not play on the team, something has to give.

How hard is that to understand?

And that MAX deal was suspect. The team balked at giving him the full years. They only wanted to guarantee 4 years. Roy put on a public campaign to shame the team, and at the same time refused to play or work out.

If some folks want to put on Rose colored glasses and put Roy on a pedestal and refuse to think he could have put the team in a bad spot, that is their prerogative. Don't think others have to buy in to your unicorn and rainbow stories.

What are you talking about? When did he refuse to play or work out? Or, was he supposed to work out for the Blazers before they extended his contract? I'm not understanding you, and also, why didn't the Blazers just give him 4 years, with a team option on the 5th year?

 

[PapaG]

Is PapaG ignorant of context on purpose, or just the biggest stupe in the history of trolls? Only his hairdresser knows for sure.

This post has nothing to do with the thread at all.

In other words, this poster misses me.

 

[Masbee]

What are you talking about? When did he refuse to play or work out? Or, was he supposed to work out for the Blazers before they extended his contract? I'm not understanding you, and also, why didn't the Blazers just give him 4 years, with a team option on the 5th year?

Because he refused to work out until he had his contract and he refused to sign for 4 years as the team offered to him. And then he proceeded to bad mouth the team and the management.

Where were you when all this was happening?

 

[magnifier661]

All I can say is I enjoyed every healthy minute Roy was on the court. The one great thing I remembered was no matter what situation, we had a good opportunity to win the game when he was on the court.

Yes we didn't make it past the first round with him leading this club, but I blame Nate moreso than Roy. The Phoenix series when we were dominating them, then they put Nash on batum. Nate was like a deer in the headlights and had no counter. The Houston series where they put arrest on Roy, Nate didn't adjust. And the Dallas series was just awful when he didn't adjust to exploiting Dallas's weakness at guard.

Regardless, I don't have a animosity bone in my body for Roy. I will remember the 4th quarter heroics and clutch 4th quarters. Hopefully one day we can look to Lillard as that clutch 4th player like we did with Roy.

 

[blazerboy30]

Do you even know what you are talking about?

The Blazers used to spend above average or well above average on EVERYTHING. Staff, stadium, coaches, bench players, buying picks from other teams. They did it ALL. Paul Allen wrote a big fat check to top up the team loses, every year.

Then, they got put on a budget. Spend no more than what you make. If they choose to buy a pick, they have to cut something else. If they pay Brandon Roy a MAX deal to not play on the team, something has to give.

Link?

How hard is that to understand?

It must be difficult, because you don't get it.

There is a difference between "only spending what you make" and being more fiscally responsible.

Selling second round draft picks has nothing to do with Roy's contract.

Again, we offered Roy Hibbert a MAX CONTRACT last year. Additionally, we don't know what would have happened with Batum if Hibbert would have accepted. It's possible we could have spent to keep Batun as well. You don't know and I don't know.

How hard is that to understand?

And that MAX deal was suspect. The team balked at giving him the full years. They only wanted to guarantee 4 years. Roy put on a public campaign to shame the team, and at the same time refused to play or work out.

This is a non sequitur and irrelevant.

If some folks want to put on Rose colored glasses and put Roy on a pedestal and refuse to think he could have put the team in a bad spot, that is their prerogative. Don't think others have to buy in to your unicorn and rainbow stories.

What a load of crap. I don't care what you "buy in to". But if you really think that if it weren't for Roy's contract we wouldn't be selling second round picks, you don't have a clue about the business side of basketball.

 

[Strenuus]

@blazerboy - Didn't we already sign Batum the year before we put a max offer sheet to Hibbert? Or was that the same year? It's just a clarifying question, because I could have sworn that it was a year apart from each other.

 

[Denny Crane]

From 2011

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7...rs-brandon-roy-retiring-brings-mixed-emotions

All that is out the window, although in some ways it eases the Blazers' pain. Much of the tab for Roy's remaining four years and $68 million will be picked up by insurance. In April, his contract will come off the cap entirely, which will put Portland in position to sign a max-contract free agent (provided it can find one who likes drizzle, bike lanes and independent bookstores).

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7335092/brandon-roy-portland-trail-blazers-retire-due-knees

If the 27-year-old Roy files for medical retirement, insurance likely would take care of his salary in coming years. His salary would not count against the cap after one year.

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2011/12/brandon_roys_retirement_leaves.html

If the Blazers decide to "amnesty" Roy, his salary will instantly come off their books and the team will gain an addition $2 million to spend in free agency. If Roy and the team proceed with the retirement option, insurance will cover a portion of the remaining contract, but the roughly $15 million he is owed in 2011-12 — and his spot on the roster — will remain this season.

Either way, Roy will receive the $63 million the team owes him.

 

[jlprk]

None of those articles gives exact numbers, and each writer just guessed that insurance would kick in. The most precise number we have is from earlier in the thread, $17M coming from insurance out of the entire $84-88M contract. And if Roy plays again, zero. The thread title is inaccurate.

 

[Denny Crane]

None of those articles gives exact numbers, and each writer just guessed that insurance would kick in. The most precise number we have is from earlier in the thread, $17M coming from insurance out of the entire $84-88M contract. And if Roy plays again, zero. The thread title is inaccurate.

My interpretation is that if Roy stayed retired, insurance would have paid the $17M in question. But since he played, he clearly wasn't disabled, so no insurance. The CBA required the Blazers to pay since he was amnestied.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

roy had no obligation to stay retard, although he probably should have...but anyone hear would gladly take another 5 million dollhairs of idiot kahns minny money

im not putting hymn on a petal stool, but he had every rite to dew that, and wood be a fool knot two

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It would have been far cheaper for PA to kill him.

 

[Masbee]

It must be difficult, because you don't get it.

I get it just fine.

I have my eyes open.

You refuse to look at the truth starting you in the face.

Again, we offered Roy Hibbert a MAX CONTRACT last year. Additionally, we don't know what would have happened with Batum if Hibbert would have accepted. It's possible we could have spent to keep Batun as well. You don't know and I don't know.

How hard is that to understand?

This is a non sequitur and irrelevant.

What a load of crap. I don't care what you "buy in to". But if you really think that if it weren't for Roy's contract we wouldn't be selling second round picks, you don't have a clue about the business side of basketball.

What does Hibbert have to do with anything?

No one ever said the team was going to slash their player payroll to the lowest in the league. They still have revenue coming in and are still trying to field a competitive team. The AVERAGE player in the NBA makes around $5mil. Starters not on rookie deals average well more than that. Offering Hibbert a MINI max (not a true MAX deal for a veteran player, ie, Dwight Howard and his $20+ salary) was decent risk for a team desperate for a starting center.

Total team salary for the Blazers is down, total team spending on all things is down. Roy's MAX contract the team has to shell out for, still to this day, comes out of the pot and reduces what can be spent on other things.

It isn't fucking rocket science.

Don't know why you are so defensive about this? What are you president of Roy's fan club?

If you don't want to know, than just stick your head in the sand. But, stop trying to shovel a bunch of shit around.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Championship, or even getting out of the first round, counts for something.

there are a crap load of guys up in our rafters that shouldn't be. Lucas, in all honesty, is a fringe rafter guy.

I, for one, am stoked Mo's number is retired. My season tix were directly under his banner, and I caught two tee shirts that hit it and fell straight down....

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I, for one, am stoked Mo's number is retired. My season tix were directly under his banner, and I caught two tee shirts that hit it and fell straight down....

I call BS! There is no way a Wookee sized t-shirt could have hit Mo's number. You'd need a real canon to shoot one that far up.

 

[jlprk]

Notice Wookee didn't say he wears them. He ate them.

It would have been far cheaper for PA to kill him.

Canzano says, don't give Paul ideas.