Outlaw/Harris coming to Portland?

[illmatic99]

I thought this quote off of the latest Canzano article was interesting:

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...f/2011/02/canzano_lets_hope_rich_cho_fin.html

Cho has no comment on the matter other than he's not commenting. He explained via text message: "There's too much (bleep) flying around out there, some true and not true, and I also don't want to have to lie to people."

Also from that article:

"Paul wants to make trades, but he doesn't like giving up anything."

Maybe KP has been unfairly criticized as loving his player too much?

 

[MIXUM]

Well forget this deal. Wojo says Denver/Nets in advance talks. Melo meeting with nets owner over weekend.

Favors, Harris, Murphy and 4 1st rounders for melo, billups, ely.

Unless we try to steal him from Denver this deal is dead.

 

[MIXUM]

Looks like miller stays

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Well forget this deal. Wojo says Denver/Nets in advance talks. Melo meeting with nets owner over weekend.

Favors, Harris, Murphy and 4 1st rounders for melo, billups, ely.

Unless we try to steal him from Denver this deal is dead.

4 1st rounders? What, 2 from 2011 plus 2013 & 2015?

EDIT: Never mind--I forgot that they had traded for a couple more picks a couple months ago. Still--4 first rounders seems like a lot. I wonder if this ends up becoming a Herschel Walker-type of deal

 

[MIXUM]

Only way we could get Harris is if we hop in deal. That's possible since we were originally mentioned in this trade a month ago. Maybe keep miller and let Harris backup till next season? Nah prob not.

Deals dead IMO

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Only way we could get Harris is if we hop in deal. That's possible since we were originally mentioned in this trade a month ago. Maybe keep miller and let Harris backup till next season? Nah prob not.

Deals dead IMO

Denver already has their PGOTF (Lawson). If Cho really wanted to get in their for Harris, I bet he could. Of course, it would probably cost Batum, but...

 

[Nikolokolus]

My guess is that Denver would probably keep Harris if given the choice between only having Lawson and no real backup or using Harris for now as the starter and continuing to groom him for a starting role (say in a year or two).

 

[PapaG]

Can a team trade 4 first-round draft picks in one deal? I know they can't in the NFL anymore, but wow, what a terrible move by New Jersey if it is allowed under the CBA. It will cripple their franchise for the next decade.

 

[RR7]

Can a team trade 4 first-round draft picks in one deal? I know they can't in the NFL anymore, but wow, what a terrible move by New Jersey if it is allowed under the CBA. It will cripple their franchise for the next decade.

2011 NJ pick, 2011 Lakers pick, 2012 GS pick, and 2013 NJ pick. They're not all their picks included. Although, the only rule in the NBA is the successive years pick, and I believe something about the future years of a pick.

Miami traded away 3 of their own this offseason, 2011 and Toronto's own, I think, to Toronto, and then 2013 and 2015 to Cleveland. Something like that.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

So if this goes down before the all-star game, does LaMarcus finally get in? I doubt the trade actually happens before the game though.

 

[PapaG]

2011 NJ pick, 2011 Lakers pick, 2012 GS pick, and 2013 NJ pick. They're not all their picks included. Although, the only rule in the NBA is the successive years pick, and I believe something about the future years of a pick.

Miami traded away 3 of their own this offseason, 2011 and Toronto's own, I think, to Toronto, and then 2013 and 2015 to Cleveland. Something like that.

Thanks for the info.

Reppedededed.

 

[jlprk]

Speaking of being leery of pursuing players with injury concerts -- CHRIS PAUL! He's still a top-10 PG but doesn't look like the elite CP3 of a few years ago.

He didn't look like the elite CP3 tonight, but for the season he's putting up a superstar PER and he's a pretty decent defender. He's not merely top-ten, he's the best point guard in the NBA IMO. But he does have some potential injury concerns.

He looks....different. Yes his efficiency numbers are gaudy as ever, but he's not the same aggressive player on the court he's been the past few years.

Paul has a lot of disappointing games, at least the ones I watch.

He's two years removed from his MVP-level PER of 30. Now, he's "just" a 25, and with bone-on-bone in one knee. Is that worth a max extension? 23 PER last year, 25 this year, injury issues...

Papa's right that Paul's knee is making him Roy, Jr. Kelly Dwyer of Ball Don't Lie wrote today:

But what started as a dominant stretch for three quarters, followed by a strange habit of taking fourth quarters off, has now stretched out for entire games at a time. And what was once an MVP candidate has now reduced himself (whether by attitude, ennui, bum knees or combination of all three) to be the sort of guy who puts up only eight points and nearly as many turnovers (four) as assists (five) in a close game against a team fighting for playoff seeding with Paul's Hornets. Fourteen points and nine assists for Paul in the month of February.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ba...;_ylt=A2KIPHIACV5NTUIBjgS8vLYF?urn=nba-322868

Comments after article:

I get that he's injured, that he's playing in a slow-paced offense that likes to play inside-out, and that his teammates truly suck but c'mon...Chris is dogging it in NO. He is trying to force a trade through his poor play...I watched an All-star playing in the Blazers-Hornets game and it wasn't Chris Paul.

 

[MARIS61]

Miller > Harris, and is playing the best basketball of his remarkably consistent career. He could produce well for 4-5 more years.

The injury-prone Harris seems to already have peaked below his supposed potential, and is one injury away from being done.

There's a reason the Nets have placed him into every trade discussion they've had. They know him, and they don't want him. They don't see them helping in their goal of rebuilding for a contender.

I don't see him as anything more than a stupid risk for a mediocre guard.

Outlaw > Morrow, as is Rudy.

 

[MARIS61]

Trade them Luke for Travis.

 

[Nikolokolus]

So if this goes down before the all-star game, does LaMarcus finally get in? I doubt the trade actually happens before the game though.

Fuck the all-star game. Give him a well earned rest.

 

[MIXUM]

on wfan....

frank isola just said....

"if melo doesnt go to nets, harris is going to portland"

he also said thats why cho keeps saying we have to wait and see what happens with denver. they say sources are telling them blazers love harris. also said harris has fallen out of favor with avery and franchise. they are moving him. denver or portland.

 

[Draco]

So if this goes down before the all-star game, does LaMarcus finally get in? I doubt the trade actually happens before the game though.

Who would the east cut from the team? Or would they have 13 players...

 

[e_blazer]

Given that the parties involved are just meeting this weekend, there's no way the deal is signed and approved by the League before the All-Star game. Melo will play for the West.

 

[MIXUM]

wfan guys said stern has already told denver to wait till after all star game to announce melo deal.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

The Denver NJ deal still depends on Anthony wanting to do it; I doubt that will happen. I don't think the Blazers will (or should) take back Outlaw. I think they should only trade for Harris if the deal does not include Miller; I think Harris can be our backup PG and also play alongside Miller sometimes, he can be a combo guard, (although having two guys on the floor who can't shoot threes might be a problem, so now I am almost talking myself out of the trade). Would NJ be interested in Pryzbilla, Rudy and a choice of one of our backup point guards or a draft pick?

 

[Minstrel]

Who would the east cut from the team? Or would they have 13 players...

I think Anthony would just end up suiting up for the West in that scenario. Just my guess. It would be a justifiable decision...he was selected to the team as a Nugget, so he'd still represent the Nuggets in the game, even if he's now on another team.

 

[Natebishop3]

The Denver NJ deal still depends on Anthony wanting to do it; I doubt that will happen. I don't think the Blazers will (or should) take back Outlaw. I think they should only trade for Harris if the deal does not include Miller; I think Harris can be our backup PG and also play alongside Miller sometimes, he can be a combo guard, (although having two guys on the floor who can't shoot threes might be a problem, so now I am almost talking myself out of the trade). Would NJ be interested in Pryzbilla, Rudy and a choice of one of our backup point guards or a draft pick?

There's no way Harris will want to backup Miller. The guy was an All-Star not that long ago. I don't see it happening.

 

[Minstrel]

I don't think it makes much sense to trade for Harris and try to hold onto Miller. They aren't complementary players and neither is backup quality. Trading for Harris is staking the point guard future for the next 3-5 years on him...Miller makes the most sense to trade for him.

 

[MIXUM]

i agree. we wont keep both. brutal call.

i still say theres a reason johnson got called up. likely cause miller will be traded for harris and we need an extra pg for wed night.

 

[maxiep]

Didn't this situation happen with Iverson, where he made the All Star team and then was traded to a different conference?

 

[MIXUM]

Knicks now front runners for melo? Spears just tweeted that Knicks offered a soon to be accuired first rounder. Also gallranari, Chandler, Felton, curry for billups and melo.

Wojo says gms waiting to make deals but can't till it done.

 

[Ed O]

Knicks now front runners for melo? Spears just tweeted that Knicks offered a soon to be accuired first rounder. Also gallranari, Chandler, Felton, curry for billups and melo.

Wojo says gms waiting to make deals but can't till it done.

I think Denver would be better served by the NJ deal. Favors is better than Gallinari as a prospect and I don't think Chandler is much of a much.

I guess we'll see which way they go... it would be a good move for the Knicks.

Ed O.

 

[Minstrel]

I think Denver would be better served by the NJ deal. Favors is better than Gallinari as a prospect and I don't think Chandler is much of a much.

I guess we'll see which way they go... it would be a good move for the Knicks.

I think the Nets deal is much better for Denver...and I'd guess Denver knows that. My guess is that New York is in the conversation because of Anthony's ability to kill deals by not agreeing to an extension. If Anthony is willing to be signed-and-traded to New Jersey, I think Denver would take that deal without hesitation. But it's wise to negotiate with New York as best they can in case Anthony removes New Jersey from the table.

 

[RR7]

I think the Nets deal is much better for Denver...and I'd guess Denver knows that. My guess is that New York is in the conversation because of Anthony's ability to kill deals by not agreeing to an extension. If Anthony is willing to be signed-and-traded to New Jersey, I think Denver would take that deal without hesitation. But it's wise to negotiate with New York as best they can in case Anthony removes New Jersey from the table.

Exactly. Easily, the NJ deal is better. Felton...meh. I like Gallinari a lot, as he plays a lot better defense than his being white and from Europe makes people assume. Chandler is a free agent, and then a first. I like Harris over Felton, which helps NJ's offer, 4 first round picks is obviously better than 1. Especially since that 1 will likely not be a lottery pick. And then Gallinari versus Favors. Gallinari is much a much more proven commodity, but Favors has a better upside. I think it's close enough, though, that NY's offer doesn't come close. Ooops, forgot Chandler. He helps you win more now, I suppose. So it makes you throw out a lineup of Felton, Chandler, Gallinari, Martin, Nene, which is still enough to compete for the 8th seed. But you're basing your rebuilding around Gallinari, and while I like him a lot, I don't think he has the potential to be a front line guy like Favors does. I's much rather take my lumps as a lotto team force feeding Favors alongside Nene, and run with Harris, Aflalo, SF, Favors, Nene. Fall into the lottery, hope NJ doesn't get out of it, and have two lotto picks, and potentially another(GS) next season, as well as your own. For actually REBUILDING, that makes a lot more sense.

But, it doesn't really matter what Denver wants, as mentioned. If he won't sign with NJ, NJ won't make that deal, and he goes to NY. The trick for Denver is trying to find out if he will sign with NJ without NY finding out. Because if they know he won't, it's likely their package goes down.

 

[santeesioux]

Sources say NJ in talks w/Den to send 2 1st round picks to Den for Mozgov & either Gallinari, Chandler or Felton, if Melo traded to NYK

If they end up with Felton i'll wonder if they still want to do this deal, Harris would be redundant, but so would Miller potentially. Miller would probably just be an expiring so i wonder if they would take Pryz then.