Owners asking for "Brandon Roy Rule"?

[Rastapopoulos]

According to Marc Stein:

Another key wrinkle from the rejected proposal, sources said, called for the ability for each team to shed one contract outright before next season through a one-time amnesty provision that wipes that contract off a team's books -- even though the player must still be paid -- reminiscent of a similar provision in the summer of 2005.

My question is this: would it have to be a player already on your books, or could we trade Roy to another team and THEY cut him? This would make sense for them only if they were trading another player to us with an even BIGGER salary - say, Elton Brand - or we were giving them a very cheap player as well (say, Batum).

If what I'm suggesting works, then Roy becomes a sort of expiring contract (with the proviso that the other team still has to pay his contract, which spoils it rather, but wouldn't put off owners like Cuban).

 

[Natebishop3]

It would be really nice if we could trade Brandon as an expiring contract of sorts. Sad ending to his career here in Portland, but at least then he would be able to help us get something of use.

Roy, Camby, Oden, and Batum would be pretty close to matching a Dwight Howard/Gilbert Arenas trade. Magic can cut Roy and Camby and then have Oden and Batum as two nice young pieces. They shed a TON of salary with Arenas coming off the books. We get Howard without giving up Aldridge, Wallace, Miller, or Matthews. I think that's a pretty solid starting five.

Miller, Arenas
Matthews, Rudy
Wallace, Babbitt
Aldridge
Howard

 

[magnifier661]

Do you really think Portland would do something like this? Personally I don't. I still think Roy can contribute to this team and even be an allstar capable player. I am homer about it, but I just have this feeling. But I do think if the right deal comes along, Portland will and should take it.

 

[BlazersBlood]

I thought this was originally the Vin Baker rule.

 

[Draco]

I don't think we trade Brandon but we would cut his contract if there's an amnesty clause. Trading him makes no sense since its unknown if he'd still be eligible for amnesty, and in the Arenas example each team could just keep their respective bad contract to cut all the same.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I'm just happy we're not victims of the Ted Stepien Rule.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I think Brandon is pretty much done. He might be able to transform his game into being a catch and shoot guy, but even if he did that, it's about how much bang are you getting for your buck? You can't pay a guy 17 million a year to sit on the wing and jack up threes as a bench player.

I hope this rule makes it in, it could save the franchise years of mediocrity.

 

[magnifier661]

I think Brandon is pretty much done. He might be able to transform his game into being a catch and shoot guy, but even if he did that, it's about how much bang are you getting for your buck? You can't pay a guy 17 million a year to sit on the wing and jack up threes as a bench player.

I hope this rule makes it in, it could save the franchise years of mediocrity.

Yeah if he's a 17 mil spot up shooter than it makes no sense. I hoping for something better and see my keyword "hoping"

 

[Blazinaway]

Do you really think Portland would do something like this? Personally I don't. I still think Roy can contribute to this team and even be an allstar capable player. I am homer about it, but I just have this feeling. But I do think if the right deal comes along, Portland will and should take it.

are U serious? if we got a one-time deal to jettison Roy's contract we do it in a friggin heartbeat

 

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[e_blazer]

It would be really nice if we could trade Brandon as an expiring contract of sorts. Sad ending to his career here in Portland, but at least then he would be able to help us get something of use.

Roy, Camby, Oden, and Batum would be pretty close to matching a Dwight Howard/Gilbert Arenas trade. Magic can cut Roy and Camby and then have Oden and Batum as two nice young pieces. They shed a TON of salary with Arenas coming off the books. We get Howard without giving up Aldridge, Wallace, Miller, or Matthews. I think that's a pretty solid starting five.

Miller, Arenas
Matthews, Rudy
Wallace, Babbitt
Aldridge
Howard

Man that would be an awful trade. Even if you factor in Roy being totally done, which I don't think is going to turn out to be the case at all, having to take back Arenas' god-awful contract negates any cap advantage of waiving Brandon. You pass on the potential of Oden and Batum in exchange for a guy (Howard) who, while a really good player, is in all likelihood going to dump the Blazers ASAP and move to the brighter lights of a bigger city.

Hell no.

 

[e_blazer]

I think Brandon is pretty much done. He might be able to transform his game into being a catch and shoot guy, but even if he did that, it's about how much bang are you getting for your buck? You can't pay a guy 17 million a year to sit on the wing and jack up threes as a bench player.

I hope this rule makes it in, it could save the franchise years of mediocrity.

Even if the Blazers could waive Brandon and have his salary come off the books entirely, they'd still be over the cap unless they dump Miller or Oden. I'm not sure that they're likely to get a player back who's going to have as significant an impact on the team's ability to win as Brandon and one or both of those guys.

 

[Draco]

Even if the Blazers could waive Brandon and have his salary come off the books entirely, they'd still be over the cap unless they dump Miller or Oden. I'm not sure that they're likely to get a player back who's going to have as significant an impact on the team's ability to win as Brandon and one or both of those guys.

This wouldn't be to sign a free agent in a few months, it would be for a year or two down the line at which point Miller won't be on the books. Camby has a large expiring deal as well, so if they were able to take those savings and dump Roy's contract they would be significantly under the cap. LaMarcus, Wesley, and Gerald are the only contract on the books for summer of 2012 with Gerald being a one year player option.

 

[magnifier661]

are U serious? if we got a one-time deal to jettison Roy's contract we do it in a friggin heartbeat

Yeah you're probably right. Still hoping that Roy will come out with guns blazing. Still a very very big fan of him.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

yeah i guess i dont see the point in cutting roy unless PA needs the money, which would probably have much more to do with us being "mediocre" in the future

 

[VanillaGorilla]

yeah i guess i dont see the point in cutting roy unless PA needs the money, which would probably have much more to do with us being "mediocre" in the future

We would still have to pay him the money, right? I just would be off the books. It's about cap room.

 

[Blaze01]

I like Roy and I am sure he can probably still conjure moments of brilliance on occassion, but there is just no way POR can continue to pay what? another 4 years? of max money to a guy who is not likely to regain his All-Star form.

If they get an amnesty clause then POR would be stupid not to use it on Roy.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

We would still have to pay him the money, right? I just would be off the books. It's about cap room.

not exactly...the "allan houston rule" was basically the same thing, but it only removed the salary for luxury tax purposes. i really doubt the owners would want incentive to have more cap room, thus spending even more money.

 

[magnifier661]

I like Roy and I am sure he can probably still conjure moments of brilliance on occassion, but there is just no way POR can continue to pay what? another 4 years? of max money to a guy who is not likely to regain his All-Star form.

If they get an amnesty clause then POR would be stupid not to use it on Roy.

God that avatar picture is freaken distracting! You are probably right. It would be a sad way to see him go though. I have a lot of love for Roy.

 

[e_blazer]

This wouldn't be to sign a free agent in a few months, it would be for a year or two down the line at which point Miller won't be on the books. Camby has a large expiring deal as well, so if they were able to take those savings and dump Roy's contract they would be significantly under the cap. LaMarcus, Wesley, and Gerald are the only contract on the books for summer of 2012 with Gerald being a one year player option.

That cap space is only around if the Blazers don't re-sign Oden and don't take advantage of Miller's and/or Camby's expiring contracts by making trades prior to the deadline next season. I'm not saying that the Blazers shouldn't take advantage of cutting Roy, I just don't think it's a clear-cut decision. There are opportunities to improve the team without cutting Brandon.

 

[magnifier661]

How about this amnesty possiby allowing the Blazers give a big contract to Oden. If he performs, then money well spent and we got him locked in. If he is still fighting injury, then we can write him off our cap.

 

[HailBlazers]

If B-Roy can be our Jason Terry off the bench than he's worth it. I think he can, Seattle brotha's.

 

[Draco]

not exactly...the "allan houston rule" was basically the same thing, but it only removed the salary for luxury tax purposes. i really doubt the owners would want incentive to have more cap room, thus spending even more money.

That is a massively huge difference. If the amensty affects cap room it's a no-brainer decision to use it and cut Roy. If it only affect luxury tax then I'm fine with whatever direction Paul Allen wants to do, I wouldn't blame him for taking the savings but if he wanted to spend the money to keep Roy on the roster as a bench player and there is no opportunity cost in the teams basketball talent that's fine too.

If the cap is more of a hard cap then I could see this type of amnesty appling for salary cap purposes. Many teams would be over the cap anyways so this clause would make hard cap provisions more feasible to implement. Much of the savings would not go toward new player contracts but just allowing teams to get under the cap and keep current players on the roster.

 

[Draco]

That cap space is only around if the Blazers don't re-sign Oden and don't take advantage of Miller's and/or Camby's expiring contracts by making trades prior to the deadline next season. I'm not saying that the Blazers shouldn't take advantage of cutting Roy, I just don't think it's a clear-cut decision. There are opportunities to improve the team without cutting Brandon.

If LaMarcus and Wesley are the only significant contracts on the books we could give Oden a massive extension and still sign a near max free agent. Personally I don't project Roy as ever being more than a decent change of pace bench player so the flexibility of cutting his salary, while not a guarantee that we would acquire a stud player, gives the team much greater opportunities for improvement then keeping Roy on the roster. If you believe Roy can become an above average starter the outlook would be quite different.

 

[magnifier661]

Personally I don't project Roy as ever being more than a decent change of pace bench player so the flexibility of cutting his salary, while not a guarantee that we would acquire a stud player, gives the team much greater opportunities for improvement then keeping Roy on the roster. If you believe Roy can become an above average starter the outlook would be quite different.

I hope you are totally wrong. But... With Roy's condition, chances are you are more right that my homerism that he will come back and do well.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

Couple thoughts on the Roy thing. Roy will never be able to grind a long season out again on those knees to the level of an allstar. Everybody needs to come to grips with that. Most importantly ROY!! We are paying him allstar money for essentially being a streaky 6th man at VERY BEST now. When BRoy is on the court LA's #'s plummet and so does the offensive movement. Let's not even talk about his defense because he doesn't play any, and every team knows he's got bumb knees and go right at his side of the court. I don't want to go back to the time where BRoy is walking the ball up the court, everyone is standing around waiting for him to let the shot clock expire, to only launch up a prayer shot or attempt to take the other team on 1 on 5 and then scream in hopes of drawing a foul. No thank you! The Roy rule should be allowed because Roy can't live up to his franchise tag. He's killing Portlands chances of getting another star and going very far in the playoffs. I'm sorry for Roy but these are the facts.

 

[Draco]

I hope you are totally wrong. But... With Roy's condition, chances are you are more right that my homerism that he will come back and do well.

Hey I loved eating crow for that single quarter and hope for the best from Roy. From the day the trade deadline is over until the day the team is out of the playoffs I’m the biggest homer around because all I need to worry about is rooting for our guys to succeed, we can’t do any roster moves anyways. Afterwards I love contemplating what our team can do to improve and to do that I think you need to be fair and accurate with projections on players. If I get emotionally attached with our players I would never be in favor of any trade or transaction that shipped a guy off our team.

 

[magnifier661]

Hey I loved eating crow for that single quarter and hope for the best from Roy. From the day the trade deadline is over until the day the team is out of the playoffs I’m the biggest homer around because all I need to worry about is rooting for our guys to succeed, we can’t do any roster moves anyways. Afterwards I love contemplating what our team can do to improve and to do that I think you need to be fair and accurate with projections on players. If I get emotionally attached with our players I would never be in favor of any trade or transaction that shipped a guy off our team.

Yeah and that's my problem with Roy. I have seriously grown emotionally attached to Roy; which is probably skewing my reasoning behind it. I actually understand why so many would love to get rid of Roy because of his contract. I don't think it would have been such and issue if Roy was getting, let's say, 8 mil a season? And my homerism on Roy makes me feel like this contract was a "contract earned" type deal. I think until this season, Roy has done everything to deserve that type of "Max money".

 

[magnifier661]

If the amnesty truly counts off cap space; and not just "luxury tax" then it should be fine. I would much rather use it for either Roy or Oden and play it out for one more season. An insurance policy for either one. If Oden comes to the league in "Beast mode" and Roy is just a "role playing spot up shooter", then use it on Roy.

If Roy comes in and becomes a playmaking SG (something like 12 PPG, 6 rebounds and 6 assists) and Oden has another season ending injury; then use it on Oden.

If both bust out, then ask for Roy or Oden to take the insurance and use the amnesty for the other player.

Win win win...

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If Roy comes in and becomes a playmaking SG (something like 12 PPG, 6 rebounds and 6 assists) and Oden has another season ending injury; then use it on Oden.

12, 6, & 6? That's all? Low expectations, huh?

Do you realize that nobody has ever averaged 6 reb & 6 ast per game without playing over 30 mpg? Do you think Brandon will ever average 30mpg for a season again?

I don't.