Pacers ganna give Paul George give 5 years 90 million....

[magnifier661]

I go back to last year when a reporter asked Aldridge about Nic's struggles and if the wrist was a big factor or not.

Aldridge's replay? Essentially that everyone on the team is banged up and playing through something.

This whole Batum argument about his wrist has always just been a bad excuse to me. You either perform or you don't. If you're so fragile that you let a bum wrist hamper you half a season, you're just soft. I'd argue this is actually worse than just not performing well. A guy that's not performing well can pick it up. A guy that's just soft will always be soft.

There is a lot of truth to this post. I've seen so many players play through injuries and still put up good numbers.

There comes a time when you must play to the potential of your contract. I think batum isn't so far.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Why don't we try a simple exercise?

Using the contracts that were signed this past offseason, could the Pacers have won more games in the five years they gave George his contract with 90 million dollars.

 

[Rhal]

I'm not getting why people are proclaiming Paul George as an Elite player who is not only a franchise player but one step away from a superstar because he isn't. He showed last year he has a shot at being one or both of those but he isnt either one yet.
The NBA and its fans have a problem with proclaiming someone as something well before they actually are(just look at lillard as an example of this). George has one year of allstar numbers and the contract he got is based on potential but he isn't a franchise player or superstar yet, and he may well never become one either, so lets put a damper on the "he is one step below Durant/LBJ" talk because he isn't he just has the potential to be someday.

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[magnifier661]

I'm not getting why people are proclaiming Paul George as an Elite player who is not only a franchise player but one step away from a superstar because he isn't. He showed last year he has a shot at being one or both of those but he isnt either one yet.
The NBA and its fans have a problem with proclaiming someone as something well before they actually are(just look at lillard as an example of this). George has one year of allstar numbers and the contract he got is based on potential but he isn't a franchise player or superstar yet, and he may well never become one either, so lets put a damper on the "he is one step below Durant/LBJ" talk because he isn't he just has the potential to be someday.

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hear hear. I am a fan of PG, but mentioning him in the same breath as a player like Rose or CP3 is just ridiculous. He's not even close to that right now.

 

[PapaG]

Paul George is light years better than Nic though, so the contract should be more.

I'd much rather have George at the max than Batum for 11 or whatever.

Yes, pay George the max for his 16.8 PER is pure genius. Sheesh, and people here bitch about LMA's contract.

 

[PapaG]

George flat-out choked in Game 7 against Miami, and only had a 16.6 PER in his "breakout" 19 game playoff run.

Way, WAY overpaid. Indy is going to regret that deal.

 

[PapaG]

]Indiana 49-32
Portland 33-49[/B]
Did LA outproduce Goerge?


George easily over Howard. I think he is extremely overrated though, so that's not fair.

22 years old NBA all 3rd team. Very good offensive and defensive player (NBA all 2nd team)

Well that's just fucking stupid. I assume you're trolling again, as you admit that you do. Didn't MIXUM get banned for admitting that he trolled?

 

[PapaG]

How is third team all nba not a franchise player? Aldridge is our franchise player, and he didn't make any team.

I am also lost a bit how he is 2nd or 3rd banana? he took the most shots on his team, and played the most minutes per game

Nobody here considers LMA the franchise player on a title team. That's Lillard, hopefully.

 

[PapaG]

I remember saying on this forum at the beginning of last year that he was going to be the next breakout star in the NBA.

Look at him now.

Yeah, his 16.8 PER and disappearing act when LeBron put the clamps on him was awesome.

 

[jlprk]

Haven't read the thread, so sorry if it's been said, but...After we forced the Pacers to give Hibbert the max, I wonder whether that made George demand the same, since he seems better. Obviously the team resisted, since it took till late September to resolve. I hope Pritchard learned from the Roy thing and this time didn't side with George against the owner.

 

[Draco]

Now if I was running the Pacers I would've played a bit more hardball with Paul George, because I think he gladly signs a deal for ~$10million less regardless of his actual worth. It's his first big NBA contract so he is not going to take a chance of getting injured before he gets paid.

That being said, there are only 4 wing players in the league I'd rather sign to the same contract. Lebron, Durant, Harden and maybe Kawhi Leonard. So I don't think its a mistake the Pacers are making by any means. It sounds like these younger players are overpaid until you look at the alternatives. If a player is a top 5 talent at his position he is absolutely for sure going to be paid a max contract by some NBA team.

To those posters who say this is a mistake, please list what SG and SF you would rather have signed for the next six seasons at $90 million?

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Now if I was running the Pacers I would've played a bit more hardball with Paul George, because I think he gladly signs a deal for ~$10million less regardless of his actual worth. It's his first big NBA contract so he is not going to take a chance of getting injured before he gets paid.

If Indy would have tried to play hardball, George could have took out an insurance policy and walked after next season for nothing. During the next two seasons, he puts the fanbase thru the same torture other small market teams trying to keep a star player have endured.

 

[THE HCP]

Still think that is LeBron,CP3,Mello type money! He's nowhere near their level of play.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Still think that is LeBron,CP3,Mello type money! He's nowhere near their level of play.

The Pacers are not going to have the opportunity to choose between those guys and George with the 90M. Lebron is also not paid anywhere near what he is worth.

With injury and age, it is debatable whether George is a better bet over Melo and CP3 for giving a huge contract.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Those guys are underpaid. The Pacers are not going to have the opportunity to choose between those guys and George with the 90M.

Ya KP just fucked the pacers and there fans.

 

[Draco]

With injury and age, it is debatable whether George is a better bet over Melo and CP3 for giving a huge contract.

See the thing is there are 30 teams in the league and teams normally have one or two near max players, so with 5 positions that means there are going to be about 9 players paid in that range at each position league wide. 18 wing positions! I can only come up with 1 SG (Harden) and 3 SF (LeBron, Durant, Kawhi) whom I’d rather have signed to that contract than Paul George. Some people may choose Melo, ok fine. So that is five guys.

Whom are the other 13 wings people would rather have than Paul George?

I don’t think many posters understand how few great players there are and how many more teams with cap room there are bidding for these potential all-stars. We now have four year max contracts so even more teams will have loads of cap room every offseason, there will always be a shortage of deserving stud players. Guys like Iguadola, Josh Smith, Al Jefferson, Pekovic got huge deals in the offseason. None of them are stud franchise players that can carry a team in the playoffs. Not a single one of them was an all-star like Paul George. Not a single one of them is as young as Paul George. All of them go over $10 million per season.

When you look at the real options that will be out there to spend cap room it can be eye opening. The Paul George contract isn’t just good for the Pacers; it is an exceptional value.

 

[magnifier661]

See the thing is there are 30 teams in the league and teams normally have one or two near max players, so with 5 positions that means there are going to be about 9 players paid in that range at each position league wide. 18 wing positions! I can only come up with 1 SG (Harden) and 3 SF (LeBron, Durant, Kawhi) whom I’d rather have signed to that contract than Paul George. Some people may choose Melo, ok fine. So that is five guys.

Whom are the other 13 wings people would rather have than Paul George?

I don’t think many posters understand how few great players there are and how many more teams with cap room there are bidding for these potential all-stars. We now have four year max contracts so even more teams will have loads of cap room every offseason, there will always be a shortage of deserving stud players. Guys like Iguadola, Josh Smith, Al Jefferson, Pekovic got huge deals in the offseason. None of them are stud franchise players that can carry a team in the playoffs. Not a single one of them was an all-star like Paul George. Not a single one of them is as young as Paul George. All of them go over $10 million per season.

When you look at the real options that will be out there to spend cap room it can be eye opening. The Paul George contract isn’t just good for the Pacers; it is an exceptional value.

I guess the real question is "Can PG and Hibbert win a title?" They are the two max players on the team.

 

[Draco]

Paul George is more than earning that extension!

 

[magnifier661]

Paul George is more than earning that extension!

I will openly admit that I was dead wrong about George.

 

[julius]

I am happy to admit I was wrong, but wisely knew that he could earn it.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I agrees with everything you posted until this. Totally disagree!


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I'd still definitely rather have George at mvp level money instead of nic at 11 million money. Have you changed your tune Hcp?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Paying George that much is only an issue if it hurts the Pacers down the road in keeping another good player. If the player they lose can be replaced....no big deal. If the player can not be replaced (i.e like the Hardin scenario) then it can hurt.

But it seems like a smart deal for Indiana to lock up their young star. They are in a similar position to Portland where they can't afford to allow their stars to be pursued by the more "glamorous" destination franchises.

George is a stud. If he gets injured then it will be a disaster, but I am not sure they had any other move. Trading a young star is seldom a smart move.

Damn I forget how wise I am.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Paul George is light years better than Nic though, so the contract should be more.

I'd much rather have George at the max than Batum for 11 or whatever.

haha. Boy did I take flack in this thread for this comment.

HCP saying I hated Nic
Mags all over me for comments about George
Papa G mocking me at thinking George was a max player. Then calling me a troll


Quality thread reading for me

 

[BigGameDamian]

George is playing very well right now but it's the playoffs as to were the real superstars are made.

 

[Mediocre Man]

George is playing very well right now but it's the playoffs as to were the real superstars are made.

Like last year when he averaged 19/7/5

 

[The_Lillard_King]

haha. Boy did I take flack in this thread for this comment.

HCP saying I hated Nic
Mags all over me for comments about George
Papa G mocking me at thinking George was a max player. Then calling me a troll


Quality thread reading for me

Nice call

 

[Mediocre Man]

Nice call

Blind squirrel and all that

 

[Boob-No-More]

After last night, I'd say Paul George is definitely a max. contract player, is a bargain at 5 years for $90 million and Indiana was smart to lock him up long term.

The guy is only 23, one of the top 5 players in the game and getting better FAST. I know it as just one game, but what he did last night impressed me more than anything I've seen Kevin Durant do. Based on body of work, Durant is still the better player, but George is gaining on him fast and it's closer than most people think.

What impressed me most about George isn't how good he is, it's that he's this good and getting better at a very rapid rate. Those 3s he hit last night with Wes draped all over him weren't just a guy getting hot, they were EXACTLY what he worked on over the summer - getting his shot off late in the game when the defense is targeting him and trying to lock him down. He saw LeBron do it in the Eastern Conference finals and said, "Hey, if we are going to win a title, I NEED to be able to do that, too." He worked on it in the off season, a we all saw the results last night - FIVE 3-pointers in the last 2:39 with the defense TOTALLY focused on him. He's not just good at it, he's VERY, VERY good at it.

So, hypothetical question, if you were building a team today, who would be the first player you'd take? LeBron is clearly the best player in the world, and if I was building a team to win a championship this year, he'd be my first choice. But, he'll turn 30 by the end of the month and his game relies on his freakish combination of size, strength and freakish athleticism. He's proven he's durable and I'm sure he has several good years left. But, if I was looking to win multiple titles over the next decade, Paul George would certainly get strong consideration as the player I'd want to build my team around.

Kevin Durant would also be in that conversation. He's only a year and a half older than George, but he seems to have plateaued, while George just keeps getting better. Durant's ppg and PER are both currently higher than George's, but they haven't really improved over the last four seasons. George's ppg and PER both continue to skyrocket:

Paul George (Regular Season):
2010-11: 7.8 ppg, PER = 13.0
2011-12: 12.1 ppg, PER = 16.5
2012-13: 17.4 ppg, PER = 16.8
2013-14: 24.9 ppg, PER = 24.7

And, his improvement during the post season is even more impressive:

Paul George (Post Season):
2010-11: 6.0 ppg, PER = 10.0
2011-12: 9.7 ppg, PER = 12.5
2012-13: 19.2 ppg, PER = 16.6

The guy is literally getting better by the month. His 2012-13 post season numbers were significantly better than his 2012-13 regular season numbers. And now, his 2013-14 regular season number are significantly better than his 2012-13 playoff numbers.

And George is a MUCH better defender than Durant. Last year, at the age of 22, he led the entire NBA in Defensive Win Shares and was 2nd Team All-Defense. This season, he is once again leading the league in Defensive Win Share.

This guy is scary good at both ends of the court and getting better at an amazing rate.

BNM

 

[magnifier661]

haha. Boy did I take flack in this thread for this comment.

HCP saying I hated Nic
Mags all over me for comments about George
Papa G mocking me at thinking George was a max player. Then calling me a troll


Quality thread reading for me

This just in, the Blazers are winning… Do we really need to read your "woah is me, everyone hates me" posts? Does it make you happy to complain that people disagree with you?

 

[Mediocre Man]

This just in, the Blazers are winning… Do we really need to read your "woah is me, everyone hates me" posts? Does it make you happy to complain that people disagree with you?

I did not bump this thread

I simply read though it and laughed at the posts that concerned me and my posts. People bump threads all the time to say to the forum "I told you so" You have done it yourself. why is that ok, but responding to a thread bumped by someone else and saying I told you so is bad? Is it because you were wrong this time?