PapaG was banned tonight

[BigGameDamian]

I always thought PapaG was on of the more popular posters in the forum? Guess I was wrong.

 

[mobes23]

It may sound strange, but it seems like he's been wanting to get banned for awhile. I think he actually got what he wanted. There was one go 'round with Denny a while back that made it clear to me (atheist Denny had Godlike patience on that one.)

Breaking out my armchair psychologist, I'd say he was addicted to S2 and the only way he could break the habit was to be excommunicated. Let's all imagine him playing with his dog on a sunny day and filling backpacks with school supplies for disadvantaged youth.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

It may sound strange, but it seems like he's been wanting to get banned for awhile. I think he actually got what he wanted. There was one go 'round with Denny a while back that made it clear to me (atheist Denny had Godlike patience on that one.)

Breaking out my armchair psychologist, I'd say he was addicted to S2 and the only way he could break the habit was to be excommunicated. Let's all imagine him playing with his dog on a sunny day and filling backpacks with school supplies for disadvantaged youth.

wearing women's lace underwear.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I think if you go to PapaG's profile and search his posts you will still see what he wrote.

One side of any conversation can be damning. In this case context plays a big part. I did not follow this thread last night, in fact I did not realize that he had been actually banned until this mourning. I thought the references were in jest..

Truth be told, I feel that I am partly to blame for getting him all riled up. At least early on in the conversation. I chimed in regarding the self victimizing nature and the myopic, narrow view..admittedly I did so in an attacking manor because of the total lack of respect I feel for the other poster. This fostered the need for SPD to come to the rescue and redact not only my post but the entire thread, topic and all. As I implied at that time, I believed SPD acted graciously and without fault.
I honestly feel that the antagonizing attitude that PapaG was contending with had just as much to do with his departure, and watching this hanging party with the antagonist dancing on the fresh grave has been a joke..

 

[Sedatedfork]

It may sound strange, but it seems like he's been wanting to get banned for awhile. I think he actually got what he wanted. There was one go 'round with Denny a while back that made it clear to me (atheist Denny had Godlike patience on that one.)

Breaking out my armchair psychologist, I'd say he was addicted to S2 and the only way he could break the habit was to be excommunicated. Let's all imagine him playing with his dog on a sunny day and filling backpacks with school supplies for disadvantaged youth.

It's an interesting theory.

I don't generally approve of banning and I don't think S2 does either. I'm glad the Papa wasn't trolling me, because the few times I have tussled with him I just felt like I was getting trolled and distracted. He's very good at it and a formidable opponent. I tend to think we are better off without him and hopefully he is happier without us. If he comes back, I don't have a problem with it. Surely without the Papa here, modding will be easier.

Being a Mod is a tough and thankless job. People can criticize all they want, but last I checked we pay nothing to be part of this site and it's a volunteer position. If you think you can Mod better, I am sure Denny would be happy to have you.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

When someone melts down online, its usually due to other factors that are stressful in his "real" life. Speaking from experience.

 

[BlazerWookee]

the forum rules dont say anything about it.

The forum rules don't say anything at all. You have to read them.

 

[magnifier661]

It may sound strange, but it seems like he's been wanting to get banned for awhile. I think he actually got what he wanted. There was one go 'round with Denny a while back that made it clear to me (atheist Denny had Godlike patience on that one.)

Breaking out my armchair psychologist, I'd say he was addicted to S2 and the only way he could break the habit was to be excommunicated. Let's all imagine him playing with his dog on a sunny day and filling backpacks with school supplies for disadvantaged youth.

I was noticing it too. Especially towards Denny. I was thinking to myself "dang he wants Denny to lose it and ban him". Maybe this is what he wanted. Push the envelope enough to force him out?

 

[blazerboy30]

It's about public versus private.

No it's not. It's about behavior towards others.

Expecting others to behave in a way that is different than you behave is hypocritical and immature.

 

[BBert]

I had him on ignore. All this does is unclutter my computer screen.

I had him on ignore, not because of any opinion he ever offered, but because he made the experience of participating on this board extremely unpleasant at times. I took him off ignore for a while, but then back he went.

I am open to all opinions and insights. That's what I come here for. The more the merrier. That and a certain commaraderie. And the humor. I need a little escape now and then during my stressful day. I don't need extra stress from assholes on a message board. I don't come here to be insulted, or get into pointless arguments, flame fests, and dick measuring contests. Some do. Bully for them. That's what 'ignore' is for.

Ban him, unban him, makes no never mind to me.

 

[blazerboy30]

First, I was pissed and wrong.

Agreed. Same could probably be said for PapaG. That doesn't excuse the behavior or give one a right to expect different behavior from somebody else.

Second, one is permitted, the other one is not.

Permitted by whom? You?

If you're referring to some loosely followed and subjective "rules" of this board, please show me where it says you can personally attack somebody through PM.

Third, I never called for his banning until after he was banned and then started lying about me.

I didn't think he should be banned either. But he is.

I think your PMs show that you personally attacked him and if PapaG was banned, the mods should consider banning you too.

 

[blazerboy30]

Wow, you are ALL taking this way too seriously. A poster on a website got banned. Big fucking deal.. It's not like he provided any essential services or some shit, he was no genius. He was by far the most confrontational poster here, if you disagreed with anything he said he would not hesitate to start hurling out the personal attacks. He broke the rules every day he posted. I had a couple minor spats with him, but I never cared enough for them to turn into these huge ordeals. I really don't understand why so many of you are so invested in this "drama".

You guys bored or something?

Good thing you didn't get involved and start posting in this thread... oh wait.

 

[THE HCP]

Wait....what? Who did MIXUM come back as?

 

[oldmangrouch]

Only allowed for certain people. Others, not so much

Al Sharpton called - he wants his victim card back.

 

[Denny Crane]

I was noticing it too. Especially towards Denny. I was thinking to myself "dang he wants Denny to lose it and ban him". Maybe this is what he wanted. Push the envelope enough to force him out?

I've been a mod at a forum where at least one of the admins would bait a poster until he crossed the line and then banned him.

I don't want any part of that. For the most part, I want to be a poster like everyone else here. I've consistently told mods that if they feel they need to delete or edit my posts, to treat me like any other poster.

Some people have really had it in for the mods. Like it's some sort of authority complex or something. The mods are not paid, they volunteer, they actually do a lot of work, and the ones who stick to it have been downright outstanding in my book.

 

[Further]

I think your PMs show that you personally attacked him and if PapaG was banned, the mods should consider banning you too.

Perhaps, but he was not banned for insulting once, twice, three times ...., it was many repeated offenses, repeated warnings, and then attacking the mods. Also, although I agree I was a dick in my PM and shouldn't have sent it, I do find a big difference between public and private, and I also find a difference between insults and slander.

 

[BBert]

Some people have really had it in for the mods. Like it's some sort of authority complex or something. The mods are not paid, they volunteer, they actually do a lot of work, and the ones who stick to it have been downright outstanding in my book.

Here! Here!

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Good thing you didn't get involved and start posting in this thread... oh wait.

Oh yeah I cared enough to post in the thread cause it's so hard to type letters!!!!1

 

[maxiep]

Well it certainly will be a lot less heated around here I guess?

Somebody is going to have to double down now to make up for the loss.

 

[Denny Crane]

Agreed. Same could probably be said for PapaG. That doesn't excuse the behavior or give one a right to expect different behavior from somebody else.



Permitted by whom? You?

If you're referring to some loosely followed and subjective "rules" of this board, please show me where it says you can personally attack somebody through PM.



I didn't think he should be banned either. But he is.

I think your PMs show that you personally attacked him and if PapaG was banned, the mods should consider banning you too.

There hasn't been any discussion of banning anyone except for PapaG. That discussion has been going on for a long time, too. We don't take it lightly and it isn't about one particular offense being so egregious he had to be banned. It's been a lot of offenses piling up to the point where enough was enough.

So no, we wouldn't consider banning anyone who's been a perfectly fine member of the community here.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Al Sharpton called - he wants his victim card back.

Racist

 

[maxiep]

Even Papa needs to be forgiven...

Were all going to make mistakes. Some more than others. I would say the posters in here are more like a family. Not all family members gets a long. But we find a way to cope and make it work. Why should that be different in here?

Bingo and well said. I vote to bring him back.

 

[blazerboy30]

Perhaps, but he was not banned for insulting once, twice, three times ...., it was man repeated offenses, repeated warnings, and then attacking the mods.

What's the magic number that is acceptable?

I'll agree that the attacking the mods was beyond what you did.

Also, although I agree I was a dick in my PM and shouldn't have sent it, I do find a big difference between public and private,

There really isn't a difference between private and public in this sense. All of these posters can be anonymous if they choose.

and I also find a difference between insults and slander.

That's you making up rules to fit what you'd like instead of what the actual "rules" are. Thus, irrelevant.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Agreed. Same could probably be said for PapaG. That doesn't excuse the behavior or give one a right to expect different behavior from somebody else.

Permitted by whom? You?

If you're referring to some loosely followed and subjective "rules" of this board, please show me where it says you can personally attack somebody through PM.

I didn't think he should be banned either. But he is.

I think your PMs show that you personally attacked him and if PapaG was banned, the mods should consider banning you too.

You bring up some good points. That's why it's important to have these discussions after someone is banned.

Personally I'm a little conflicted, I understand what you're saying about not insulting people in PMs. In a perfect world that shouldn't happen. On the other hand, some times when things get heated I wish people would take them private. One of the biggest complaints I get as a mod is someone complaining about two people arguing and derailing a thread. The majority of time when two people are trading insult after insult the rest of us don't want to read it.

If we were to make a rule about PMs I'm not sure how to enforce it since staff is not allowed to read them. Since in this rare case Further has made his PM with PapaG public I agree, it's breaks the no personal insult rule. Banning would be too harsh of a punishment, IMO. He has not repeatedly broken this rule.

 

[blazerboy30]

Oh yeah I cared enough to post in the thread cause it's so hard to type letters!!!!1

You should make more posts in the thread where you claim everybody else is making a big deal. That should help.

 

[Eastoff]

Sticking m80s up a kittens ass

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Easy Hoss!

 

[Further]

OK, if anyone has any last digs on me with regards to this incident, get them in now if you would like me to respond. Otherwise, I'm putting this behind me and pay closer attention to the important threads, like OJ Simpson stealing cookies.

 

[blazerboy30]

You bring up some good points. That's why it's important to have these discussions after someone is banned.

Personally I'm a little conflicted, I understand what you're saying about not insulting people in PMs. In a perfect world that shouldn't happen. On the other hand, some times when things get heated I wish people would take them private. One of the biggest complaints I get as a mod is someone complaining about two people arguing and derailing a thread. The majority of time when two people are trading insult after insult the rest of us don't want to read it.

If we were to make a rule about PMs I'm not sure how to enforce it since staff is not allowed to read them. Since in this rare case Further has made his PM with PapaG public I agree, it's breaks the no personal insult rule. Banning would be too harsh of a punishment, IMO. He has not repeatedly broken this rule.

I don't care what people PM, other than things that could be taken as a true threat. But for somebody to think personal insults on the board are out of line, but personal insults on PM are fine, that's ridiculous.

I don't think Further/God should be banned. But he's coming out looking like a victim even though he got involved in sending personal attacks.

 

[BlazerWookee]

My hero...

 

[blazerboy30]

OK, if anyone has any last digs on me with regards to this incident, get them in now if you would like me to respond. Otherwise, I'm putting this behind me and pay closer attention to the important threads, like OJ Simpson stealing cookies.

Who's making "digs" on you?