Phelps blows

[Messiah717]

Enough with this piece of trash already.

 

[Rick2583]

Well, I'm not one to question anything Girardi does but I think he should have maybe taken Phelps out before he gave up 7 runs. But hey I'm sure he had his reasons.

 

[Messiah717]

Rick you get on him for taking guys out too early and then not soon enough. Two guys on and then a blast. Phelps blows.

 

[Rick2583]

Rick you get on him for taking guys out too early and then not soon enough. Two guys on and then a blast. Phelps blows.

Vic I agree with you that Phelps sucks but apparently Joe doesn't agree with us.

 

[yankeesince59]

Rick you get on him for taking guys out too early and then not soon enough. Two guys on and then a blast. Phelps blows.

...^^^ this.

...rick, who exactly do you think Girardi should have brought in, and when? The pen is already taxed because the starters other than Tanaka, can't go past 5 freaking innings. They are also in a stretch where they play 17 games in 17 days. Again, who do you propose they pitch?...geez, get off of Girardi's sack.

...in defense of Phelps, while giving up 7 runs is not good, the HR he gave up, was actually a good pitch.

 

[Yankeefan5545]

Sure would help the staff if the God Damn offense could produce more than two - four runs per game.

 

[Rick2583]

...^^^ this.

...rick, who exactly do you think Girardi should have brought in, and when? The pen is already taxed because the starters other than Tanaka, can't go past 5 freaking innings. They are also in a stretch where they play 17 games in 17 days. Again, who do you propose they pitch?...geez, get off of Girardi's sack.

...in defense of Phelps, while giving up 7 runs is not good, the HR he gave up, was actually a good pitch.

He'll take out someone like Whitley in the 5th after giving up 1 run & throwing only 70-80 pitches, but he'll leave Phelps in to give up 7 runs. But hey, you're right, I'm a little to hard on Girardi & for absolutely no reason. I'll try to be good.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

He'll take out someone like Whitley in the 5th after giving up 1 run & throwing only 70-80 pitches, but he'll leave Phelps in to give up 7 runs. But hey, you're right, I'm a little to hard on Girardi & for absolutely no reason. I'll try to be good.

Hell, no harm no foul....do you recall how I about had a stroke by the 3rd inning of Tanaka's first start...? I got over it quick, but I over react to quick to often....I'm sedating myself these days by counting my breathes before I speak or write,.....tho' its questionable at best if its working, or the high blood pressure meds either....

At least all this has NOT led me to drinking....(more than a beer or two once or twice a month).


Your entitled to your opinion(s)... I take no offense....!! I can't speak for everyone and won't attempt to, they have their opinions too, and I respect everything the regulars say here...!!

Regulars that is....regs, not the couple of trolls we get on rare occassion...!

 

[yankeesince59]

He'll take out someone like Whitley in the 5th after giving up 1 run & throwing only 70-80 pitches, but he'll leave Phelps in to give up 7 runs. But hey, you're right, I'm a little to hard on Girardi & for absolutely no reason. I'll try to be good.

...lol, you act like managers don't keep young pitchers on a short leash and/or an innings limit during their first few starts...this is news to you?

...still not sure why you're complaining and singling out Phelps and Whitley. Phelps has already been stretched out and like I explained earlier, the bull pen is already over worked (3.6 innings per game) and is currently amid a grueling schedule. Someone has to pitch those innings. As far as Whitley, I don't understand your reasoning behind complaining about Joe either because the Yanx have won every game he's started except one. And in that one game the Yanx were ahead and Whitley was in line for the Win until D-Rob came in for the 9th and promptly blew the save and the game.

 

[Rick2583]

...lol, you act like managers don't keep young pitchers on a short leash and/or an innings limit during their first few starts...this is news to you?

...still not sure why you're complaining and singling out Phelps and Whitley. Phelps has already been stretched out and like I explained earlier, the bull pen is already over worked (3.6 innings per game) and is currently amid a grueling schedule. Someone has to pitch those innings. As far as Whitley, I don't understand your reasoning behind complaining about Joe either because the Yanx have won every game he's started except one. And in that one game the Yanx were ahead and Whitley was in line for the Win until D-Rob came in for the 9th and promptly blew the save and the game.

I'm not intentionally singling out anyone, I was just using Phelps & Whitley as examples. Ah the hell with it, Girardi is the greatest.

 

[JeterRules20]

I have said from the beginning that both Phends an Nuno belong in the bullpen. I am hoping that we see a trade or a change real soon like before his next start with Phelps. They cannot keep running him out there every five days and get the same result can they?

 

[yankeesince59]

I'm not intentionally singling out anyone, I was just using Phelps & Whitley as examples. Ah the hell with it, Girardi is the greatest.

...lol, intentional or not, you did single them out...and again, no one said Girardi is "the greatest"...but you are the only one who referred to him as an "idiot". I also find it funny that you felt the need to create a separate thread called "truce" but still managed to sarcastically call out the people who disagree with you...yeah, some "truce".

 

[yankeesince59]

I have said from the beginning that both Phends an Nuno belong in the bullpen. I am hoping that we see a trade or a change real soon like before his next start with Phelps. They cannot keep running him out there every five days and get the same result can they?

...I think you're right, and I think/hope some moves will be made before the trade deadline. I think maybe they are waiting to see how Tex, Beltran, and CC look before pulling the trigger on some sort of trade. There's several possibilities out there to be had...just not sure which way they'll go...pitching? OF? IF?

 

[Rick2583]

...lol, intentional or not, you did single them out...and again, no one said Girardi is "the greatest"...but you are the only one who referred to him as an "idiot". I also find it funny that you felt the need to create a separate thread called "truce" but still managed to sarcastically call out the people who disagree with you...yeah, some "truce".

I've called no one Ron, but if can show me a post where I've mentioned ANYONE'S name here after the truce thread you'll have my apologies & I'll proclaim that Girardi is Casey Stengal, Sparky Anderson, Walter Alston & Billy Martin all rolled into one. But if you can't supply any of the posters that I've CALLED OUT! let it go. I'll wait.

 

[Messiah717]

Phelps still blows and I pray we get some guys back so I don't have to see his stupid face anymore.

 

[yankeesince59]

I've called no one Ron, but if can show me a post where I've mentioned ANYONE'S name here after the truce thread you'll have my apologies & I'll proclaim that Girardi is Casey Stengal, Sparky Anderson, Walter Alston & Billy Martin all rolled into one. But if you can't supply any of the posters that I've CALLED OUT! let it go. I'll wait.

..lmao...uhhh, I was specifically talking about the "truce" thread, ... Jesus, try to keep up.

...and stop trying to act coy...you know exactly who you were talking about in that thread. Instead of playing games, why not just come out and say exactly who you were referring to when you said, "Apparently I've hurt some feelings with my criticism of our wonderful manager..." ...exactly whose "feelings were hurt"?

 

[yankeesince59]

...also, I find it funny that you now point to Stengel, Alston, Martin, and Anderson as examples of great managers...but according to your own logic someone could claim that "they did nothing special"...and they "did nothing any other manager could/would do."

 

[Rick2583]

..lmao...uhhh, I was specifically talking about the "truce" thread, ... Jesus, try to keep up.

...and stop trying to act coy...you know exactly who you were talking about in that thread. Instead of playing games, why not just come out and say exactly who you were referring to when you said, "Apparently I've hurt some feelings with my criticism of our wonderful manager..." ...exactly whose "feelings were hurt"?

Holy (tap dancing) Christ Ron c'mon already let it go, I didn't mention any posters names in the "TRUCE" thread because I'm not built that way. I mean seriously why would I point fingers like some 10 year old & say, "Well Ron said this, & Mike said that, and Bill & George said......" You seem to be taking this knock on Girardi very personal, I mean no one else here is taking my criticism of Girardi anywhere near as strongly as you are. So to that effect I'll direct my apologies just to you since you seem to be taking it so hard, and so personally.

Ron you & I have always been cool on these boards but sometimes I get the feeling you argue just for the sake of arguing. I mean NO ONE else here has challenged my criticism of Girardi the way you have. But to keep fences mended I'll keep my negative opinions of Girardi to a minimum. I hope we're still cool.

 

[yankeesince59]

Holy (tap dancing) Christ Ron c'mon already let it go, I didn't mention any posters names in the "TRUCE" thread because I'm not built that way. I mean seriously why would I point fingers like some 10 year old & say, "Well Ron said this, & Mike said that, and Bill & George said......"

...well, I'll counter that by asking why would you purposely create a thread which was CLEARLY a dig at others for questioning you reasoning concerning Girardi.


You seem to be taking this knock on Girardi very personal, I mean no one else here is taking my criticism of Girardi anywhere near as strongly as you are. So to that effect I'll direct my apologies just to you since you seem to be taking it so hard, and so personally.

...no, sorry, nothing personal at all. It's a simple back and forth about a Baseball topic. But actually you are the one who took it "personal' by purposely creating a separate thread about "someone's feelings being hurt" because they had the audacity to question your stance. You and I both know exactly who you were talking about, so you can forget the "I didn't name anybody" routine.

Ron you & I have always been cool on these boards but sometimes I get the feeling you argue just for the sake of arguing. I mean NO ONE else here has challenged my criticism of Girardi the way you have. But to keep fences mended I'll keep my negative opinions of Girardi to a minimum. I hope we're still cool.

...and we still are cool. Look, I know you don't care for Joe, but he's by no means "an idiot". And anyone who truly believes he is and anyone who truly believes anyone could have done the same job as Joe did last year, is just being very narrow-minded.....but I didn't mention any names.

///

 

[Rick2583]

///

What you call a DIG I call as just a simple "time to put this to rest lets move on".

And my TRUCE thread was not a sign of me taking ANYTHING personal, I just felt it was getting milked to death & I wanted to clear the air & move on. It was really just that simple.

Glad we're still cool.

So.............................................................................................how about them Yankees?

 

[totus44]

I think some of you need to step back a bit and look at the larger picture. While you are not privy to Girardi's play book, doesn't mean there is no strategy being followed. You likely can't see the patterns and trends because you can only see the time window of games played or being played. What you are not factoring in is his strategy for the next game, week, month, etc. And that game plan is continuously adjusted due to injuries, both major and minor...including the minor stuff you don't know about. Interestingly in this real time information age, it really does propagate delusions of grandeur. You think you know what's going on, but that couldn't be any farther from reality.

Girardi is managing a complex matrix, with significant risk/benefit analyses....and there are both tactical and strategic considerations that are layered here. You don't follow the shift calls or the pitching changes because you don't know the probability calculations he is using to dictate those decisions. And make no mistake, these guys are making decisions by the numbers.

 

[Rick2583]

I think some of you need to step back a bit and look at the larger picture. While you are not privy to Girardi's play book, doesn't mean there is no strategy being followed. You likely can't see the patterns and trends because you can only see the time window of games played or being played. What you are not factoring in is his strategy for the next game, week, month, etc. And that game plan is continuously adjusted due to injuries, both major and minor...including the minor stuff you don't know about. Interestingly in this real time information age, it really does propagate delusions of grandeur. You think you know what's going on, but that couldn't be any farther from reality.

Girardi is managing a complex matrix, with significant risk/benefit analyses....and there are both tactical and strategic considerations that are layered here. You don't follow the shift calls or the pitching changes because you don't know the probability calculations he is using to dictate those decisions. And make no mistake, these guys are making decisions by the numbers.

And we thank you Tom for that direct report from the Yankees dugout. Always good to have a reporter on the spot getting in depth & accurate information. And now back to our studios.

Sorry Tom, I just couldn't resist.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

I think some of you need to step back a bit and look at the larger picture. While you are not privy to Girardi's play book, doesn't mean there is no strategy being followed. You likely can't see the patterns and trends because you can only see the time window of games played or being played. What you are not factoring in is his strategy for the next game, week, month, etc. And that game plan is continuously adjusted due to injuries, both major and minor...including the minor stuff you don't know about. Interestingly in this real time information age, it really does propagate delusions of grandeur. You think you know what's going on, but that couldn't be any farther from reality.

Girardi is managing a complex matrix, with significant risk/benefit analyses....and there are both tactical and strategic considerations that are layered here. You don't follow the shift calls or the pitching changes because you don't know the probability calculations he is using to dictate those decisions. And make no mistake, these guys are making decisions by the numbers.

Good point Tom....

Now about that Matrix, is that Lawrence Fishburne's or Samuel L. Jackson's Matrix your talking about....sounds similar...... (chain pulling icon missing)...!

How about them Rangers....! doh-!

 

[yankeesince59]

I think some of you need to step back a bit and look at the larger picture. While you are not privy to Girardi's play book, doesn't mean there is no strategy being followed. You likely can't see the patterns and trends because you can only see the time window of games played or being played. What you are not factoring in is his strategy for the next game, week, month, etc. And that game plan is continuously adjusted due to injuries, both major and minor...including the minor stuff you don't know about. Interestingly in this real time information age, it really does propagate delusions of grandeur. You think you know what's going on, but that couldn't be any farther from reality.

Girardi is managing a complex matrix, with significant risk/benefit analyses....and there are both tactical and strategic considerations that are layered here. You don't follow the shift calls or the pitching changes because you don't know the probability calculations he is using to dictate those decisions. And make no mistake, these guys are making decisions by the numbers.

...thanx tote, I've essentially said the very same thing but did not articulate it as succinctly as you.

 

[Rick2583]

I think some of you need to step back a bit and look at the larger picture. While you are not privy to Girardi's play book, doesn't mean there is no strategy being followed. You likely can't see the patterns and trends because you can only see the time window of games played or being played. What you are not factoring in is his strategy for the next game, week, month, etc. And that game plan is continuously adjusted due to injuries, both major and minor...including the minor stuff you don't know about. Interestingly in this real time information age, it really does propagate delusions of grandeur. You think you know what's going on, but that couldn't be any farther from reality.

Girardi is managing a complex matrix, with significant risk/benefit analyses....and there are both tactical and strategic considerations that are layered here. You don't follow the shift calls or the pitching changes because you don't know the probability calculations he is using to dictate those decisions. And make no mistake, these guys are making decisions by the numbers.

Tom please refer to my humor in post #22 because honestly with all due respect, though you paint a nice picture of what goes on behind closed doors NONE OF US actually know because we're not privy to all that goes on. So one cannot assume or take as fact what you've discribed unless you're actually part of what really goes on. And if indeed you are then just disregard this entire post.

 

[yankeesince59]

Tom please refer to my humor in post #22 because honestly with all due respect, though you paint a nice picture of what goes on behind closed doors NONE OF US actually know because we're not privy to all that goes on. So one cannot assume or take as fact what you've discribed unless you're actually part of what really goes on. And if indeed you are then just disregard this entire post.

...you totally misread and completely misinterpreted what he said.

 

[Rick2583]

I think some of you need to step back a bit and look at the larger picture. While you are not privy to Girardi's play book, doesn't mean there is no strategy being followed. You likely can't see the patterns and trends because you can only see the time window of games played or being played. What you are not factoring in is his strategy for the next game, week, month, etc. And that game plan is continuously adjusted due to injuries, both major and minor...including the minor stuff you don't know about. Interestingly in this real time information age, it really does propagate delusions of grandeur. You think you know what's going on, but that couldn't be any farther from reality.

Girardi is managing a complex matrix, with significant risk/benefit analyses....and there are both tactical and strategic considerations that are layered here. You don't follow the shift calls or the pitching changes because you don't know the probability calculations he is using to dictate those decisions. And make no mistake, these guys are making decisions by the numbers.

Ron, to explain why I didn't MISREAD or MISINTERPRET what Tom was trying to explain I took the liberty to quote his post again & highlight the parts that I thought I very clearly made my point on.


#1) Tom is directing this at us as if he already knows.

#2) Again, Tom says while YOU are not privy, again implying that HE already knows.

#3) And again Tom says (as if he knows first hand), "YOU likely can't see the patterns & trends" etc.

I could continue this but I think (God I hope) you understand my point, Tom's entire post is being spoken as if it were 1st hand knowledge & based on FACT. And my point was just that unless you're in the damn room at the time NONE OF US have any idea what actually goes on.

I really can't believe that my initial response actually needed explaining, But what the hell, I had no where to be.

And Tom I mean no disrespect toward you honestly, I guess I was just questioning your constant use of the word YOU instead of WE. But again if you really do have 1st hand knowledge of the things that go on AGAIN.......disregard my response.

Well there's 5 minutes I'll never get back.

 

[yankeesince59]

...no, tote's post is NOT spoken as if it were "first hand knowledge". Instead, it is based on FACT and COMMON SENSE.

...tote also uses the word "you" in a different context that you can grammatically understand..."You" is also used to refer to the reader and not any one person is particular. But hey, there are some who cannot differentiate the difference between "then" and "than", so in a way I can understand.

...again, you totally mis-read what he said. And if you'd like to dispute anything he said with your own FACTS, I'm all ears

 

[Rick2583]

...no, tote's post is NOT spoken as if it were "first hand knowledge". Instead, it is based on FACT and COMMON SENSE.

...tote also uses the word "you" in a different context that you can grammatically understand..."You" is also used to refer to the reader and not any one person is particular. But hey, there are some who cannot differentiate the difference between "then" and "than", so in a way I can understand.

...again, you totally mis-read what he said. And if you'd like to dispute anything he said with your own FACTS, I'm all ears

Ron, it can only be based on FACT if he you or I are actually there to know for sure what goes on. otherwise it is only ASSUMPTION. Now I can say with certain that SOMETHING is done to determine what different hitters do & don't do, where to play them or how to pitch to them, Yes this is common sense, but to lay it out the way Totes did is only speculation & assumption & not FACT. As I've said 3-4 times now, unless one of us is actually fucking there to see & here EXACTLY what goes on & what is done to the degree that Totes points out we would have to be there & have first hand knowledge & we don't.

Again I hope Totes knows that I mean no disrespect to him. And on that note I'm done with this topic also. UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE.

So Ron, how about them Yankees?

 

[yankeesince59]

what is done to the degree that Totes points out we would have to be there & have first hand knowledge & we don't.

...well no fucking shit. And that's exactly what tote was saying.

...fuck it, just fuck it...I'm out.