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wizenheimer said:
* RealGM is wrong. That's not surprising. As far as I can tell they have never updated their machine to account for 2nd apron restrictions

* it doesn't matter whether Timelord or Vincent has more negative value. Including Timelord means the Blazers would get no bump for eating Vincent's contract. They wouldn't get a 1st round pick for that anyway. Not a chance

* adding Hayes wouldn't make for a legal trade. He doesn't have enough of a salary. Adding Wood would work, technically, but the Lakers would only be 400-500K below the 2nd apron and would have just made a 4-for-2 trade when they only have 15 players under contract. They'd have to sign another player to have the minimum roster and that would put them over the 2nd apron

so, to summarize....the Lakers would make arguably at lateral trade, at best. They'd send two unprotected 1st's AND get slammed and locked behind 2nd apron rules...all for Jerami Grant....wow
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Again, you made it sound like a complete impossibility that the Lakers couldn't send back out more salary. I easily showed you differently.

Even with less than 15 on the roster, making the numbers work is pretty simple with 2nd rounds and such.

To suggest Vincent and Timelord's value is equal or similar, is laughable. We've already heard numerous reports of playoff teams trying to trade for Timelord with minimal assets. Have we heard such thing about Vincent as he languishes at the end of the Lakers bench? lol
 
I know this has been posted but this is the Ant trade to make:
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This is the Jerami trade to make (I have the Lakers 2030 pick top 5 protected and it would be top five protected in 2031 and 2032 and would become their 2032 second round pick if not conveyed by then... also I think we might be able to squeeze a 2029 pick swap from them as well). Both Vincent and Redish would be waived and we would not bother stretching Vincent's salary, we'd just take the hit this season and next:
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This is the Ant trade to make.

Ant, Reath for Carter Jr., Cole Anthony, DEN pick

This is the Ayton trade to make.

Ayton to NO, Ingram to Utah, Collins + filler to PDX, + a pick from Utah (probably protected by Danny)

Then flip Grant to LAL for Vincent, Rui a pick, and filler. Flip Rui to LAC for the corpse of Tucker, Coffee, and some future swap or pick.

cut Tucker and all the filler.

We would absolutely suck, but Scoot would have the opportunity to work with pick n roll and pick n pop threats, the ball would move around more on offense, and we could see what we have in the kids (and pick up some picks). Tell Carter Jr., Anthony, Thybulle, and Collins that if they're good soldiers and their agent finds a team that presents an OK offer we will move them and hope you get something for Carter Jr. at the deadline. The vibes, highlights, and lowlights would be fun.

Henderson / Anthony / Vincent
Sharpe / Coffee / Rupert
Advija / Thybulle / Murray
Collins / Camara / Walker
Carter Jr. / Clingan / Williams
 
blazerkor said:
I know this has been posted but this is the Ant trade to make:
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This is the Jerami trade to make (I have the Lakers 2030 pick top 5 protected and it would be top five protected in 2031 and 2032 and would become their 2032 second round pick if not conveyed by then... also I think we might be able to squeeze a 2029 pick swap from them as well). Both Vincent and Redish would be waived and we would not bother stretching Vincent's salary, we'd just take the hit this season and next:
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I dunno about two Frp for Grant. We are taking their garbage though
 
Cugel said:
I dunno about two Frp for Grant. We are taking their garbage though
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I said maybe we could squeeze a 2029 pick swap but LA gives up a top 5 protected FRP, a second round pick, Rui and gets to offload Vincent and Reddish whose salaries we would just eat.

Then a future second round pick from us, the second round pick from the Lakers and Rui go to the Hawks for our old friend Larry Nance Jr. and the Lakers upcoming FRP in the 2025 draft that Atlanta owns and would be worth a lot less if the Lakers add Jerami, keep DLo's scoring and keep Vando coming off the bench.
 
Ha Seung-Boumtje-Boumjte said:
This is the Ant trade to make.

Ant, Reath for Carter Jr., Cole Anthony, DEN pick

This is the Ayton trade to make.

Ayton to NO, Ingram to Utah, Collins + filler to PDX, + a pick from Utah (probably protected by Danny)

Then flip Grant to LAL for Vincent, Rui a pick, and filler. Flip Rui to LAC for the corpse of Tucker, Coffee, and some future swap or pick.

cut Tucker and all the filler.

We would absolutely suck, but Scoot would have the opportunity to work with pick n roll and pick n pop threats, the ball would move around more on offense, and we could see what we have in the kids (and pick up some picks). Tell Carter Jr., Anthony, Thybulle, and Collins that if they're good soldiers and their agent finds a team that presents an OK offer we will move them and hope you get something for Carter Jr. at the deadline. The vibes, highlights, and lowlights would be fun.

Henderson / Anthony / Vincent
Sharpe / Coffee / Rupert
Advija / Thybulle / Murray
Collins / Camara / Walker
Carter Jr. / Clingan / Williams
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These are surprisingly common-sensical, except I don't see Orlando giving up Carter Jr and I don't want Collins, who is just dead weight at this point, but has 2 years on his contract.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
These are surprisingly common-sensical, except I don't see Orlando giving up Carter Jr and I don't want Collins, who is just dead weight at this point, but has 2 years on his contract.
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I agree that it's not a given Orlando would give up Carter Jr., but I think it's a relatively fair trade (and they like the other centers on their roster).

Collins' contract matches Ayton in terms of years and is cheaper. He's a flawed player with a relatively good attitude (he didn't like playing with Trae, but that's true for every NBA player), Scoot would get to play with a real pick n roll lob threat, we'd get a few highlights (and plenty of losses). He's an expiring next year that could be moved easily. I'd prefer him to Rui (who supposedly is a challenging locker room guy and has a longer contract) and isn't a great pick n roll threat.
 
a Locked on Blazers listener demanded Mike to rescind his 2nd round picks idea for Robert Williams. The "fan" stated unequivocally that Timelord is worth an unprotected FRP.

---- It was probably a Danny Marang burner account.
 
Whyachi said:
a Locked on Blazers listener demanded Mike to rescind his 2nd round picks idea for Robert Williams. The "fan" stated unequivocally that Timelord is worth an unprotected FRP.

---- It was probably a Danny Marang burner account.
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Yeah, he won't get us an unprotected FRP in return. But unless we need to get rid of his salary to make another move, I would wait it out instead of moving him for 2nd round picks. His salary could be used in another trade. Granted it probably won't happen, but it is worth holding on to him IMO. (although I would take any 1st that is offered)
 

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PtldPlatypus said:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10135336-best-and-worst-landing-spots-for-nbas-top-trade-targets

This column suggests that Memphis would be the best place for Grant. No framework listed for a proposal, but it would probably need to include Smart and Clarke. Something like this could work, maybe?

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An old proposal I found from July suggested the Grizz include GG Jackson in a deal for Grant. IMO, that would be far beyond what anyone could reasonably hope for.
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I like the idea of Clarke... So I like this trade.

The inclusion of Thybulle pushes Memphis into the Tax.
Maybe swap him out for Banton? (or Reath)
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CJ_is_Gone said:
I like the idea of Clarke... So I like this trade.

The inclusion of Thybulle pushes Memphis into the Tax.
Maybe swap him out for Banton? (or Reath)
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I just assumed Thybulle would be more valuable to a team with playoff aspirations. But whatever would be necessary to make the deal make sense for Memphis, I'd probably be on board with. Of the alterations you listed, I'd think I'd rather keep Banton over Reath.
 
the issue with Brandon Clarke is he's trying to come back from a torn Achilles. Kevin Durant is a rare exception; most guys never come back as good as they were. Wesley Matthews was a shell of the player he was before the injury. Klay Thompson is another example of a reduced player
 
wizenheimer said:
the issue with Brandon Clarke is he's trying to come back from a torn Achilles. Kevin Durant is a rare exception; most guys never come back as good as they were. Wesley Matthews was a shell of the player he was before the injury. Klay Thompson is another example of a reduced player
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Yeah, that is an issue. He is an undersized forward who is effective because of his quick first step. Has he lost it?
He did play the last 6 games of the season last year. I did not see those games but his stats were pretty good considering the long rehab.
 
More competition driving down the value of our guys:

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Chet Holmgren will be out for 3 months, or longer. The Thunder will be looking for a C. Time for Timelord-->OKC trades?
 
When does Hartenstein come back?

I could see them willing to take on Timelord but doubt he can get a pick unless he plays well and healthy for at least a few months.

Although maybe we can cut some of his contract for next year and just consider that enough.
 
Wagner has a team option next year, Cole does in year 3. So it's a cap savings, gets Anfernee off the team in exchange for a 1st.

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wizenheimer said:
Chet Holmgren will be out for 3 months, or longer. The Thunder will be looking for a C. Time for Timelord-->OKC trades?
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I think, given how many FRP they have stockpiled, the price for them is higher than it would be for any other team. And it (assuming one) has to be either this year or next and unprotected. Or if not, two FRPs minimum.
 
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I actually bet Rob is the first of our vets to go. I would almost guarantee the offers that are out there right now for Ant and Jerami were the same as we were getting during the off season that Joe didn't take. Rob however looks like a big time difference maker and it only takes a game like tonight to get some NBA GMs really frothing at the mouth. If Rob shows up like this again tomorrow and doesn't get hurt he might be gone before the Hawks game on Sunday.
 
blazerkor said:
I actually bet Rob is the first of our vets to go. I would almost guarantee the offers that are out there right now for Ant and Jerami were the same as we were getting during the off season that Joe didn't take. Rob however looks like a big time difference maker and it only takes a game like tonight to get some NBA GMs really frothing at the mouth. If Rob shows up like this again tomorrow and doesn't get hurt he might be gone before the Hawks game on Sunday.
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Rob was so fun to watch tonight, and even fun to watch the prior games, that I'm totally fine keeping him. He's the type of vet you want on a young team, a hustle unselfish player with great D and efficient scoring.

Sure he could get hurt at any moment, but whatever, then we can just give a young guy those minutes.

We must trade two of Grant Ayton Ant ASAP!
 
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