Game Thread PLAYOFFS: ROUND 1, GAME 1: BLAZERS @ LAKERS - AUGUST 18, 2020, TUESDAY, 6:00, TNT & NBCSNW

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Predict the outcome of the series as if your life depended on it (i.e., don't be a homer)


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So, you asked your question and provided the answer - 18 months vs. 7.

Nurk was better before and he still is better, but the extra time Nurk had allowed him to get back to where he was - where Zach has not yet.

What Nurkic has done is special and an exception. To hold Zach’s rust against him is idiotic, but also not surprising considering the amount of dumb dumbs on here.

Oh, and Zach’s defense will be missed...big time. Maybe Wenyen replaces some of that, but no one else will, so even in a best case scenario, there will be pockets of time where the Blazers are gonna get steamrolled.
 
Meyers was a gimmick, the guy never had a clue on defense and never had potential much beyond Matt Bonner. He has the offense of a SG without handles or drives, and the defense of a bad SG at that.

I agree with many of your sentiments on Zach. Maybe instead of awesome last year in the playoffs I should have said "useful rotational player" and that if he improved as normally expected from a second year player he could become a great bench player or acceptable but below average starter someday... I do rate his defense greater than you. But offense is extremely important, and in general much more than defense. Zach had about as bad as a 3rd year as was possible, so I'm happy to get a better option if Neil is able to in the offseason. I do think there have been many young players at Zach level that eventually become useful rotational players later in their career. Robin Lopez, Joel Pryzbilla, Aminu, Ed Davis, Steve Blake, etc. Zach needs to be compared to the potential of those level players and not average to above average NBA starters. Finally, Zach position may ultimately be best as the backup C, which with Nurkic injury history is important, and only have small stretches of his play at PF.

I agree

my biggest 'complaint' about Zach isn't that he's not useful or that he doesn't do a few things well. Both of those are true

it's that he's seemingly been pegged in as the PFOTF, and nothing he's done on the floor, or promised to do, has earned that distinction. Aminu and Harkless were starters by default because the Blazer FO couldn't find a way to upgrade role players into legitimate starting forwards. Sure seems like the Blazers are settling for a repeat of that
 
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There are two ways to respond to a reasonable argument - one of them is to post a meme.
 
So, you asked your question and provided the answer - 18 months vs. 7.

Nurk was better before and he still is better, but the extra time Nurk had allowed him to get back to where he was - where Zach has not yet.
Zach never got back to "where he was" because he was never anywhere.
The guy is simply NOT an Impactful NBA player. Period.
He is big, and clogs things up on defense. That is about it.
 
You didn't watch the bubble. Zach is a weak pussy, his hands are soft, i didn't see anything good from him in the bubble so far
His hands are the opposite of soft, just to be clear. With the exception of that, Zach was a really solid contributor during the bubble. He is definitely our fifth best (or in other words wosrst) starter but he's a valuable rotational player. He doesn't hold onto rebounds or inside passes well enough... that's a big problem. He fouls too much which isn't that big of a problem. He does defend really well, uses his athleticism to get himself in good positions on both ends, his spot up jumper looks really nice as far as mechanics and he's hit some nice shots from outside. He's far better than an average defender. He has to work on his hands and if his role is going to be what it looks like it will be he needs to work on his upper body strength (which would actually help him a little with holding onto rebounds and passes). It makes sense that his footwork, foot speed and explosiveness from his legs look light years ahead of his upper body strength and hands given what his injury was. Him being out definitely does not help us because he's been a net positive in general and statistically in the bubble, not to mention we just need minutes with a bench this weak. The fact is we will go further with Zach than we would without him. We can get into if he needs to be upgraded or just dumped in the off season but for now he's our best option in the post next to Nurk.
 
There are two ways to respond to a reasonable argument - one of them is to post a meme.

LOL...c'mon man

do you think that meme was the only post I've made in the last couple of days about Zach? You responded to one.
 
My man, he’s getting a chance EVERYDAY in practice. You honestly think Stotts is playing a LESS talented player on purpose?

He’s playing a top 10 pick over an undrafted rookie. It’s a business. The same reason Trent wasn’t getting run over Simons before injuries left Stotts no choice to give Trent time. And you see how that turned out
 
Gabriel has definitely led more of a journeyman's career so far. But honestly, how many times have you said to yourself, "Thank god Zach is coming back in for Gabriel"? Because I don't think I ever have.

The stats kind of follow the eye test. Gabriel is a bit more of a quickness and hustle-type of defender, whereas Zach is more about angles and positioning and length. But honestly I don't think they have that much of a difference in impact on the court. Both are opportunistic (ie, pretty poor) offensive players.

In this particular matchup I think I'd prefer Zach's length against AD's length, but even there I'm not absolutely certain. Whatever big out there is going to have to constantly scramble to cover AD and LBJ.

For me the bigger issue is just depth. If Zach sits out for much of this series, we're going to have a lot of foul problems. And a lot of Hezonja.
Wenyen is a rookie who has played for 2 teams. I wouldn’t call him a journeyman.
 

Its odd there's been all sorts of stories either flat saying or somewhat implying LeBron and Melo never played each other in the NBA playoffs.

However thats wrong; the Heat beat the Knicks 4-1 in the first round of 2012, eventually winning LeBron's first title. LeBron averaged 27.8/6.2/5.6 shooting 47.8%/35%
Melo averaged 27.8/8.2/2.2 shooting 41.9%/22.2%
 
LOL...c'mon man

do you think that meme was the only post I've made in the last couple of days about Zach? You responded to one.

No hard feeling, I hope. I just gave a flippant answer to what I consider a flippant answer. It is all good with me, hope it is with you as well.
 
Question: why are we arguing the relative merits of 2 scrubs? Is that a sign that subconsciously we have all given up?
 
Its odd there's been all sorts of stories either flat saying or somewhat implying LeBron and Melo never played each other in the NBA playoffs.

However thats wrong; the Heat beat the Knicks 4-1 in the first round of 2012, eventually winning LeBron's first title. LeBron averaged 27.8/6.2/5.6 shooting 47.8%/35%
Melo averaged 27.8/8.2/2.2 shooting 41.9%/22.2%
The article is about them playing in high school.
 
So, are the Fakers going to go all out to stop Dame (and dare somebody else to beat them), or will we see a lot of straight up D? Will they hold Dame under 30? ( I predict they will)

My guess (and that's all it is) is that they let AD smother Nurk and throw multiple bodies at Dame. CJ may get some stats, but he won't effect the outcome.

Anybody else want to toss out their wild-ass guesses? :cheers:
 
So, are the Fakers going to go all out to stop Dame (and dare somebody else to beat them), or will we see a lot of straight up D? Will they hold Dame under 30? ( I predict they will)

My guess (and that's all it is) is that they let AD smother Nurk and throw multiple bodies at Dame. CJ may get some stats, but he won't effect the outcome.

Anybody else want to toss out their wild-ass guesses? :cheers:
Here are my thoughts. If they trap Dame, he will pass to Nurk/CJ/Melo and we will still score 130. He learned a lot from 2018 and now, with Melo, it is hard for teams to double Dame and stop the Blazers. That said, I disagree the Lakers will hold Dame under 30 tonight. I expect Blazers to win yet another close game but we’ll see. Playoffs are unpredictable. I thought the Magic had a chance to win one close game in the series with the Bucks. I did not see the Magic blowing out the Bucks. I said on our podcast that the lack of HCA would result in upsets. We’re about to learn how good of a coach Bud is. I’m starting to think he’s pretty average.
 
BTW, if you saw the Dallas/Clips game* you can guess what the refs will be like. Even if Dame goes incandescent and makes a close contest of it, the refs will step in.

* Calling it a "game" implies both teams actually had a chance of winning!
 
BTW, if you saw the Dallas/Clips game* you can guess what the refs will be like. Even if Dame goes incandescent and makes a close contest of it, the refs will step in.

* Calling it a "game" implies both teams actually had a chance of winning!
I thought Mavs had a chance. Down 4 with around a minute to go, Curry shot a three and missed. Refs didn’t affect that. He hits it, they were in position to play D and then score to win. One of the great things about the 2011 Mavs was that they beat their opponents and the refs. Didn’t matter how many bad calls against them vs Lakers and Hear. They just kept playing, made no excuses, and won.
 
I thought Mavs had a chance. Down 4 with around a minute to go, Curry shot a three and missed. Refs didn’t affect that. He hits it, they were in position to play D and then score to win. One of the great things about the 2011 Mavs was that they beat their opponents and the refs. Didn’t matter how many bad calls against them vs Lakers and Hear. They just kept playing, made no excuses, and won.
Possible that this Mavs team is learning the same lesson. Of course, that one had a, what, 14-year veteran leading them? This one's best player can't even legally buy a beer.
 
Possible that this Mavs team is learning the same lesson. Of course, that one had a, what, 14-year veteran leading them? This one's best player can't even legally buy a beer.
True. They have the same coach though.
 
Because he hasn’t had the chance yet. Still can’t believe Zach Collins was a top 10 pick
I still can't believe your still harping on this and I think we got your point. Anyway he got drafted in the NBA what pick was you. Oh I am sorry you didn't so as long as he is better then you and he is a Blazer I will be on his side of the game.
 

Wow, hope he recovers soon. We could've really used him in this series for a few minutes defensively and hustle.

That makes the dehydration make much more sense that he fainted and had a concussion last month, as opposed to drinking or such.
 

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