Game Thread PLAYOFFS - ROUND 2, GAME 5: BLAZERS @ WARRIORS - 5/11/16, WEDNESDAY, 7:30 PM (PDT), TNT

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If the Blazers are eliminated, will you continue to watch the NBA Playoffs?


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More random thoughts:

HOLY SHIT Stotts coached a gem last night. The rotations, the plays, the game management, the strategy .... just PERFECT.

AC made himself some serious cash with that game.

Aminu is a playoff player. Who woulda thought?

Can we please start calling Ed by his true nickname that he earned in years past? "BOSS DAVIS" is a sick nick name.

What a birthday for Mo. He too made himself some $.
 
Am I the only one who had trouble sleeping?
I did not want this postseason to end. Not simply that I wanted the Blazers to win, I always do, but because this has been the most excitement I can remember. Even the Houston series, which had its classic moments, from LaMarcus beasting in the first two games to Dame's 0.9, did not have the consistent excitement of this series. Life now seems dull.

I had a voucher for $100 off on a case of wine from nakedwines.com, which supports small wineries. I ordered a mix of 12 different wines and since it was my first order they added three complimentary bottles. This weekend I'll put some shelving down cellar and put away the 15 bottles that currently cover my living room table. That is, 14 of the 15. I'll crack one bottle and drink a toast to the Portland Trail Blazers. The team that won 20 more regular season games than predicted, upset the Clippers in the first round and
 
The Portland Trail Blazers' season is over -- a lot later than nearly anyone expected.

How do they make the leap to title contention? What's missing?

Our NBA Insiders go 5-on-5 to forecast the future for the Blazers.


1. What do you foresee and advise for the Blazers this offseason?
Tom Haberstroh, ESPN Insider: Staying the course. We've seen teams try to prematurely accelerate the rebuilding process after an unexpected playoff appearance (cough, cough Milwaukee), but I'd hope the Portland front office doesn't overreact to the fifth-seed status. Remember, the team's 44-38 record in 2015-16 wouldn't have even made the playoffs in each of the last three seasons.

Amin Elhassan, ESPN Insider: Honestly? Status quo. Portland needs to be patient with the growth of its players. Sure, a bona fide stretch 4 or a 3-and-D guy would be optimal. But patience is the biggest variable.

Kevin Arnovitz, ESPN.com: With Moe Harkless, Allen Crabbe and Meyers Leonard restricted free agents, the Trail Blazers can go fishing in the broader free-agent market and come back and match any outside offers for those young guys. Money isn't generally an issue in Portland, and there's a good bet the Trail Blazers will opt to retain at least two of those guys.

Bradford Doolittle, ESPN Insider: The Blazers don't need to rush their roster building and there's no reason to overpay a free agent, though it's fine to kick the tires on someone like Al Horford or Chandler Parsons. Portland has to deal with the restricted free agencies of Leonard, Harkless and Crabbe this summer, then C.J. McCollum and Mason Plumlee next year. I'd keep them all. Most of this roster is on the upswing and the next big improvement in Portland probably stems from someone like Noah Vonleh breaking out.

Kevin Pelton, ESPN Insider: The Blazers have ample depth, so I think the best plan for them is to exclusively pursue first- and second-tier free agents who would actually be an upgrade on the players currently on the roster. To clear enough cap space for such players, Portland might have to let Gerald Henderson and Meyers Leonard walk, and re-sign Allen Crabbe and Maurice Harkless.

2. What's missing in Portland?
Arnovitz: The Trail Blazers need some paint presence/rim protection for a defense that finished the season ranked 20th overall. And no complaints if that addition had a goon-ish streak. They also could use a third scorer who can create a shot for himself, preferably one with a little more size who can hold down one of the forward spots.

Pelton: I think the playoffs have exposed a couple of shortcomings. The Blazers could use one more perimeter player who can create shots for himself or others when defenses take away Damian Lillard and C.J. McCollum. They could also use an upgrade in terms of rim protection, though that might mean sacrificing the playmaking Mason Plumlee provided from the center spot.

Doolittle: As well as the Lillard-McCollum-Crabbe backcourt played, in the long run the Blazers are going to need a dynamic defensive presence in the middle to make it work on both ends. Also, you'd like to see a little more of an offensive standout at small forward, though I really like the way Al-Farouq Aminu has come along.

Haberstroh: An Andrew Bogut to anchor the defense. The Blazers ranked 20th in defensive rating this season and gave up a ton of fouls in the paint. A true defensive ace would allow perimeter shooters to gamble a bit more defensively, where they ranked 25th in opponent turnover rate.

Elhassan: Patience is what they need, as I mentioned, but two-way players would help as well.

3. Who should be the primary center for Portland going forward?
Pelton: Leonard doesn't provide enough rim protection, so while using him at center juices the offense, I don't think it's workable defensively on a full-time basis. Davis is a great part of a rotation, not necessarily the leader of one. Plumlee was a revelation this season but struggled as a finisher and to control the paint defensively against playoff competition.

I remain intrigued by the possibility of Hassan Whiteside playing a DeAndre Jordan-style role in pick-and-rolls with Lillard and McCollum. If Whiteside isn't a cultural fit or wants to play elsewhere, I don't see a realistic young free agent who's a clear upgrade over Plumlee.

Doolittle: Portland is positioned fairly well to woo the bigger free agents and some of the centers might be a good fit -- Horford especially, given his ability to both defend and work as a screener for Lillard and McCollum. That said, if the Blazers don't make a splash with a new center, their current crew will again share court time according to matchups.

Haberstroh: Ed Davis probably gives me the most hope, but I still don't know if he's strong enough to be a premier rim protector in the NBA. I'd take a look at Ian Mahinmi and see if he can fill that spot at a reasonable price.

Elhassan: Plumlee, because he has shown the ability to not only finish but also make decisions and make the simple pass. Perhaps he can become more sophisticated in his passing, but even at his rudimentary level it makes life easier for the Blazers' backcourt.

Arnovitz: I still think Davis can be a starting center in the NBA, provided he were paired with a 4-man who can stretch the floor and give Lillard and McCollum the driving lanes they need to get to the rim. Leonard has the size, but I'm not sold that there's enough of a defensive presence there to make it work. In that respect, he and Davis make up a respectable frontcourt, but I suspect the Trail Blazers' primary center going forward might be someone who isn't currently on the payroll.

4. Where will the 2016-17 Blazers finish in the standings?
Elhassan: Absent a major offseason acquisition, probably a seven or eight seed. That's not a knock on them, but rather acknowledgement that the Jazz dealt with serious injuries and Houston seriously underachieved.

Haberstroh: Fifth. Remarkably, this team hasn't played a 30-year-old for more than 50 minutes here in the playoffs. This entire roster is entering its prime, so they'll improve on development alone. But I worry that Damian Lillard and C.J. McCollum might burn out a bit if they don't get a third scorer.

Pelton: Despite their youth, I think more likely sixth through eighth than part of the top five again. Naturally, that can change dramatically this summer, but my sense is the West's second (or perhaps) third tier will be much deeper next season than it was this season. Odds are 44 wins won't be nearly enough to finish fifth with several lottery teams likely to contend for playoff spots.

Arnovitz: This question can never be answered in a vacuum. The Warriors and Spurs are locks ahead of them next season. If the Clippers keep the core together, they're good for 50-plus wins next season. The Thunder, Rockets and Pelicans are the big wild cards here, depending on how their rosters shape up. So throw Portland into the mix with Utah, Dallas and Memphis. With all that in mind, the over-under is a 6 1/2 seed.

Doolittle: Seventh. The Blazers should be a little better, but they benefited this season from various misfortunes suffered by teams elsewhere in the West. Also, Portland will be hard-pressed to repeat the excellent health of this season's roster.

5. Fact or Fiction: Damian Lillard will win the West as a Blazer.
Arnovitz: Fiction, though not unthinkable. Figure he has 10 seasons ahead of him, and the next three are unlikely. If he can lure a big free agent to Portland, or they can aggregate some assets to trade for one, or a very high pick that becomes an elite player, they'd certainly have a puncher's chance. But size and location of market continue to be a tough hurdle for the franchise when it comes to talent acquisition.

Elhassan: This is tough, as Golden State seems to be on a path of perpetual excellence and the tough competition in the West. I'm going to lean toward fiction.

Haberstroh: Fiction. I look at Kawhi Leonard, Stephen Curry and the duo in OKC, and just can't see Lillard coming out on top anytime soon. Sure, anything is possible, and Lillard has proved doubters wrong. But this is a 44-win team that caught a break with Blake Griffin and Chris Paul injuries. Would this even be a question if those guys were healthy? I love the Blazers' youth, but Portland's fanbase knows all-too-well that a bright future doesn't always work out as planned.

Doolittle: Fiction. Portland's young foundation is exciting and the combination of Terry Stotts and Neil Olshey overseeing things is as good as it gets. But there is just so much competition in the West and if OKC stays together, it's going to be tough to navigate through the Thunder, Warriors and Spurs any time soon.

Pelton: Fiction. It's worth remembering that over the last 16 seasons, only five different teams have won the Western Conference. The odds are against just about any team that's not already in the mix reaching that level. As much as Portland has done correctly in its post-LaMarcus Aldridge rebuild, the Blazers are still going to need a lot of good decisions and good fortune to win the West.
 
More random thoughts:

HOLY SHIT Stotts coached a gem last night. The rotations, the plays, the game management, the strategy .... just PERFECT.

AC made himself some serious cash with that game.

Aminu is a playoff player. Who woulda thought?

Can we please start calling Ed by his true nickname that he earned in years past? "BOSS DAVIS" is a sick nick name.

What a birthday for Mo. He too made himself some $.
"Phys Ed" is lame.
 
A bit of a buzz kill there @yuyuza1 although when thinking about it I can't disagree much with those ESPN writers.
 
Blazers usually beat expectations though, so them expecting us to be a 6th seed means we're probably closer to the 3rd seed. Cool.
 
Arnovitz: The Trail Blazers need some paint presence/rim protection for a defense that finished the season ranked 20th overall. And no complaints if that addition had a goon-ish streak. They also could use a third scorer who can create a shot for himself, preferably one with a little more size who can hold down one of the forward spots.

Pelton: I think the playoffs have exposed a couple of shortcomings. The Blazers could use one more perimeter player who can create shots for himself or others when defenses take away Damian Lillard and C.J. McCollum. They could also use an upgrade in terms of rim protection, though that might mean sacrificing the playmaking Mason Plumlee provided from the center spot.
This.
 
The last question was annoying, but I don't see anything wrong with the other answers.
I just hope people don't flip out and say we suck next year when we get the 6th or 7th seed because it was worse than this year. West will be very strong next year. That is assuming we don't get an All Star in free agency of course.
 
I just hope people don't flip out and say we suck next year when we get the 6th or 7th seed because it was worse than this year. West will be very strong next year. That is assuming we don't get an All Star in free agency of course.

Too much shit can happen. One injury changes the landscape of the entire league. One signing can do the same thing. One mid-season move etc etc. It's too early to be predicting this type of stuff but yes 6th or 7th seems reasonable if you're not high on the ceiling of this team.
 
"Pelton: I think the playoffs have exposed a couple of shortcomings. The Blazers could use one more perimeter player who can create shots for himself or others when defenses take away Damian Lillard and C.J. McCollum. They could also use an upgrade in terms of rim protection, though that might mean sacrificing the playmaking Mason Plumlee provided from the center spot."

This is why I say we are better off with a center by committee. Plums needs to play half the game. Not sure we can afford to give all our cap space to someone like Whiteside who will only play half the game. Horford on the other hand is worth it because he can play two positions. But I think getting him is a pipe dream.
 
"Pelton: I think the playoffs have exposed a couple of shortcomings. The Blazers could use one more perimeter player who can create shots for himself or others when defenses take away Damian Lillard and C.J. McCollum. They could also use an upgrade in terms of rim protection, though that might mean sacrificing the playmaking Mason Plumlee provided from the center spot."

This is why I say we are better off with a center by committee. Plums needs to play half the game. Not sure we can afford to give all our cap space to someone like Whiteside who will only play half the game. Horford on the other hand is worth it because he can play two positions. But I think getting him is a pipe dream.
Not sure you realize exactly how much cap space the Blazers will have?
 
I haven't read the game thread, but just wanted to make a few comments about the game last night.

First off - I'm tremendously pleased that we were competitive from start to finish. I was worried we might get blown out, but we didn't let that happen. Overall I'm impressed with how we played the entire series (just the GSW series).

With that said, I'm quite disappointed in Dame, CJ and Stotts for what they did - or didn't do - in the 4th quarter. Those three dropped the ball big time - if any one of those three had done a decent job we could have won that game. There was very little passing, and a whole lot of one-on-many. But nearly every time we passed the ball we scored. If Stotts had the balls to hold his star players accountable the way Pops does, he would have had them moving the ball rather than shooting forced jumpers off the dribble.

I'm not sure if it's just that we match-up well with GSW or what, but if we were able to consistently hang with "the best team ever" I have to think the Spurs are gonna curb-stomp them (if they get past OKC). It will be very interesting to see what happens.
 
My understanding is about 25 million after we hold on to a few of our FA's, but not all.
The number i have is about $32 mil. That is assuming Kaman and Henderson are gone and with the new cap at a projected $89 mil. Obviously Lillard's new contract comes into play.
Point is I think they will have plenty of room to sign a guy and still use their other options. Unless of course the guy they are signing is Durant. But then of course who really cares right? Durant would be the catch of the summer.
 
I haven't read the game thread, but just wanted to make a few comments about the game last night.

First off - I'm tremendously pleased that we were competitive from start to finish. I was worried we might get blown out, but we didn't let that happen. Overall I'm impressed with how we played the entire series (just the GSW series).

With that said, I'm quite disappointed in Dame, CJ and Stotts for what they did - or didn't do - in the 4th quarter. Those three dropped the ball big time - if any one of those three had done a decent job we could have won that game. There was very little passing, and a whole lot of one-on-many. But nearly every time we passed the ball we scored. If Stotts had the balls to hold his star players accountable the way Pops does, he would have had them moving the ball rather than shooting forced jumpers off the dribble.

I'm not sure if it's just that we match-up well with GSW or what, but if we were able to consistently hang with "the best team ever" I have to think the Spurs are gonna curb-stomp them (if they get past OKC). It will be very interesting to see what happens.
I agree with some of your thoughts. But where i question is the whole "Curb Stomp" thing. No way any team anywhere is going to "Curb Stomp" guys that shoot the ball as i watched last night. The Warriors are the real deal.
 
The number i have is about $32 mil. That is assuming Kaman and Henderson are gone and with the new cap at a projected $89 mil. Obviously Lillard's new contract comes into play.
Point is I think they will have plenty of room to sign a guy and still use their other options. Unless of course the guy they are signing is Durant. But then of course who really cares right? Durant would be the catch of the summer.

I was using what B-Roy posted.......The Blazers will have around $25.5 million if you keep Harkless, Crabbe, and Leonard's cap hold, but renounce Hendo. And if you pay Whiteside about $23 million that does not leave much left.

Here was his breakdown:

Guaranteed Salary (under contract) $ 47,102,74
Inclusive* (Includeds QO & Non Guaranteed) $ 59,668,805
*(C Alexander / Montero @$874,636 Unguaranteed / Crabbe $2,725,003 / Maurice Harkless & Meyers Leonard @ $4,045,849)

Cap Holds - Additional cost over QOs
Maurice Harkless - $7,235,148 - 4,045,849 - + $ 3,189,254
Meyers Leonard - $7,689,700 - 4,045,849 - + $ 3,643,851
Allen Crabbe - $2,725,003 difference from QO - + $0

Gerald Henderson - $0 Inclusive - $9M Cap Hold - + $9,000,000

Inclusive adjusted from Offers to Cap Holds
1* with Harkless / Crabbe / Leonard $ 66,501,910 (12 players)
2* add Gerald Henderson (bird rigts?) $ 75,501,910 (13 players)
$92M salary Cap less $66.5M is what we have left to spend. ($1.6M more if you waive Alexander and Montero)
 
I was using what B-Roy posted.......The Blazers will have around $25.5 million if you keep Harkless, Crabbe, and Leonard's cap hold, but renounce Hendo. And if you pay Whiteside about $23 million that does not leave much left.

Here was his breakdown:

Guaranteed Salary (under contract) $ 47,102,74
Inclusive* (Includeds QO & Non Guaranteed) $ 59,668,805
*(C Alexander / Montero @$874,636 Unguaranteed / Crabbe $2,725,003 / Maurice Harkless & Meyers Leonard @ $4,045,849)

Cap Holds - Additional cost over QOs
Maurice Harkless - $7,235,148 - 4,045,849 - + $ 3,189,254
Meyers Leonard - $7,689,700 - 4,045,849 - + $ 3,643,851
Allen Crabbe - $2,725,003 difference from QO - + $0

Gerald Henderson - $0 Inclusive - $9M Cap Hold - + $9,000,000

Inclusive adjusted from Offers to Cap Holds
1* with Harkless / Crabbe / Leonard $ 66,501,910 (12 players)
2* add Gerald Henderson (bird rigts?) $ 75,501,910 (13 players)
$92M salary Cap less $66.5M is what we have left to spend. ($1.6M more if you waive Alexander and Montero)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/POR.html
Here is what i got on the books at this point. Again you let Kaman go. Extra 5 mil. then Henderson will not command 6 mil because i think he will be gone.. Replace those roster spots with draft picks of which they will have to buy or trade for one? Money goes down as much as 9 mil. Tim Frazier is gone and they do not owe Miller 2 million. Verejao has 10 mil on our books that will fall off also. They will be sitting at close to 50 mil then sign Meyers, Harkless, and Crabbe. What happens is anybodies guess on Meyers. I just don't see either Harkless or Crabbe getting more than a 3 year deal over 18 mil or 6 mil a year. Most are saying 8 million a year for a 7 footer that shoots the 3 ball? Together that is 20 million leaves em somewhere in the 30 range with some MLE's

These are round numbers off my head. But with trades and other moves the Blazers sit with pretty good money.
 
http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/POR.html
Here is what i got on the books at this point. Again you let Kaman go. Extra 5 mil. then Henderson will not command 6 mil because i think he will be gone.. Replace those roster spots with draft picks of which they will have to buy or trade for one? Money goes down as much as 9 mil. Tim Frazier is gone and they do not owe Miller 2 million. Verejao has 10 mil on our books that will fall off also. They will be sitting at close to 50 mil then sign Meyers, Harkless, and Crabbe. What happens is anybodies guess on Meyers. I just don't see either Harkless or Crabbe getting more than a 3 year deal over 18 mil or 6 mil a year. Most are saying 8 million a year for a 7 footer that shoots the 3 ball? Together that is 20 million leaves em somewhere in the 30 range with some MLE's

These are round numbers off my head. But with trades and other moves the Blazers sit with pretty good money.

Fraizer got waived half a season ago, we owe him nothing as is...neither do we owe Miller anything....I don't think Meyers is coming back, I smell a sign a trade
 
Plus because the stretch we don't owe varajeo 10
 
I just don't see either Harkless or Crabbe getting more than a 3 year deal over 18 mil or 6 mil a year. Most are saying 8 million a year for a 7 footer that shoots the 3 ball? Together that is 20 million leaves em somewhere in the 30 range with some MLE's

hmm.....you could be right based on previous years, or you could be way off based on projections based on the new salary cap. Who is getting that extra TV money? The stars? or the mid level guys? We will find out in two months. My guess however is that Crabbe gets way more than 6 million per.
 
hmm.....you could be right based on previous years, or you could be way off based on projections based on the new salary cap. Who is getting that extra TV money? The stars? or the mid level guys? We will find out in two months. My guess however is that Crabbe gets way more than 6 million per.
Crabbe gets 9 to 10 MIL imo. Harkless though is a guy who I think only gets 7 Max and a lot of people are saying more than that for him. Time will tell I guess....
 
Crabbe gets 9 to 10 MIL imo. Harkless though is a guy who I think only gets 7 Max and a lot of people are saying more than that for him. Time will tell I guess....

In a way I almost wish Crabbe stayed cold in the playoffs. I think the last couple of games may have gotten him a raise. Just from a standpoint of having to match....
 

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