OT Portland hotel calls cops on black guest in lobby

[MarAzul]

the white guys who purchased the slaves are morally corrupt

Rather a harsh label to hang on a guy for doing what was entirely legal. No moral authority had come out against it either.

It is stupid through from and economic point of view. Much better pay minimum wage and let the bugger feed himself and pay for his shoes.

 

[barfo]

Rather a hash label to hang on a guy for doing what was entirely legal.

I think the kids say 'hash tag' rather than 'hash label'.

barfo

 

[BlazerWookee]

And to @BlazerWookee and @Orion Bailey, not all republicans and conservatives are racists and it is wrong to label them all that way. But there are some very vile racist groups who now feel that they have a home and a voice in the republican party and that is indefensible. It doesn't matter which racist dirt bags support the dems. We have racists in the republican party. The republican party has supported openly racist individuals running for office.

We have not said loudly and clearly enough to them to take their racist and hateful bullshit somewhere else. Instead we're just making excuses.

If you two hung out at a bar that suddenly NAMBLA members started meeting at you wouldn't do nothing. You'd either kick them the fuck out or you would move to another bar. But to sit there and do nothing and then get all butthurt that people assume you're a kiddy fucker too since you hang with them is a problem you made by your inaction.

It's a very easy statement to make, "racist fuck tards do not belong in any organization that I am a member of."

And there are vile racists that have long found a comfortable and supportive home among the so-called liberals in the Democrat party.

Arguing against bigotry and hatred by spewing bigotry and hatred is never going to change things for the better.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

And there are vile racists that have long found a comfortable and supportive home among the so-called liberals in the Democrat party.

Arguing against bigotry and hatred by spewing bigotry and hatred is never going to change things for the better.

 

[Lanny]

I have about a decade of experience as a hotel night clerk. We had no security personnel. I dealt with unauthorized trespassers nearly every shift. Some are just wretchedly filthy/smelly homeless who want to warm up and mooch coffee, some are thinking of robbing you or guests. Most are career criminals looking to steal anything laying around like a phone, laptop, or anything pawnable.

Some are methheads or alcoholics and crazy in a very dangerous way. I've had my threatened both verbally and physically, been chased around the parking lot, had glass doors shattered. Anyone you don't remember from checking them in is verified as soon as they are noticed on the property, unless they are with someone you know is a guest.

The #1 scam to buy them entrance and time to case the place is to pretend to be busy with a phone call.

Most hotels trespass several people every week or have them arrested, some of them unruly/argumentative guests but mostly criminals, hopefully without the guests noticing.

The Portland Double Tree hosts more black people in one week than most of you have given the time of day in your lives, so it's particularly funny that this bozo tried his stunt there. Such a sad life he must have to stoop so low.

Sounds like a job I'd want to avoid.
Kind of reminds me of when my wife wanted to buy a tavern to run. All I could think of were the deadly fights and robberies. No, thanks.
I once worked with an engineer in St. Louis who told me about an alteration he had with a customer in a bar where he was working. The fight devolved into an incident were the perp got his hands round this guy's throat and started to choke the life out of him. He grabbed an object nearby and hit the perp over the head thereby saving his life.
No thanks, I don't want any part of running a tavern, a convenience store or a hotel desk unless it's a very secure hotel. I'll stick to engineering where all we have to worry about is accidentally touching 20,000 volts.

 

[Lanny]

Former pimp?

What the fuck?

 

[Orion Bailey]

That's a great question. What made white people trade slaves? Racism isn't inherent.

This is the issue many of us have.

White people didn't start slavery. Olive skinned people did... per history and the bible anyhow.

This is what I keep getting hung up on with your narrative. Slavery wasn't invented here so why does the discussion have to be limited to recent racism in America only?

If we want to get to the root of the evil, then we must backtrack to the source and educate from there, no?

 

[Orion Bailey]

Please point to a time when I said it was ok. Please quote a time when I said hatred was ok.

That's right. I didn't.

But you know what? MFs in here wanna compare the holocaust to slavery.... Like, "the holocaust was worse"....

So really which is worse?

I didn't say you did. Again, you jumped into the conversation And I am saying it SEEMS like that is your stance based on your posts.

Secondly, I never brought up the holocaust, but since you did, I will go on record as saying both slavery and the holocaust are disgustingly evil acts that humans should be incredibly embarrassed about. With that said, I too believe the holocaust is worse, if there is such a worse. Eliminating a race verse slave labor and letting them live.
Pretty clear to me which is worse.

I mean, reverse the roles. If Jews were enslaved for a period of time, but Blacks and Africans were sought to be eliminated from the planet, wouldn't you think the elimination would be worse?

I mean, one is still letting one live and the other isn't. Isn't death the end all?

 

[Orion Bailey]

And to @BlazerWookee and @Orion Bailey, not all republicans and conservatives are racists and it is wrong to label them all that way. But there are some very vile racist groups who now feel that they have a home and a voice in the republican party and that is indefensible. It doesn't matter which racist dirt bags support the dems. We have racists in the republican party. The republican party has supported openly racist individuals running for office.

We have not said loudly and clearly enough to them to take their racist and hateful bullshit somewhere else. Instead we're just making excuses.

If you two hung out at a bar that suddenly NAMBLA members started meeting at you wouldn't do nothing. You'd either kick them the fuck out or you would move to another bar. But to sit there and do nothing and then get all butthurt that people assume you're a kiddy fucker too since you hang with them is a problem you made by your inaction.

It's a very easy statement to make, "racist fuck tards do not belong in any organization that I am a member of."

Okay?

So what am I supposed to do?

I mean, I don't associate, congregate or even know any republicans that are racist. I know they exist, but short of separating myself vocally from that stance and speaking up against racism when you see it, is about all one can do.

Am I supposed to go searching for racist republicans and condemn them?

This is a touchy subject. We have learned through history you cant force someone to believe a certain way, that includes love and hate.

All we can do is educate and separate. Short of that how much louder do you want me to yell at my republican friends who aren't racist? because I don't have any that are. If I did, I would condemn their stance and separate myself from them.


Sounds like I need to go shooting wildly into the air as loud as I can and hope I nail a racist republican to the wall.

Come on...

 

[Orion Bailey]

I still don't get why he was forced to leave. He paid for a room. He had his card key for his room. How did it not get sorted out?

Rather a hash label to hang on a guy for doing what was entirely legal. No moral authority had come out against it either.

It is stupid through from and economic point of view. Much better pay minimum wage and let the bugger feed himself and pay for his shoes.

There is not full footage of the entire incident. Judgments are foolish in this case, as well as many others where there is not full disclosure of all sequences that transpired in the event caught on video.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

There is not full footage of the entire incident. Judgments are foolish in this case, as well as many others where there is not full disclosure of all sequences that transpired in the event caught on video.

The hotel has apologized but won't show their security video. If the gentleman had been in the wrong they would have released the hotel security video.

 

[Orion Bailey]

The hotel has apologized but won't show their security video. If the gentleman had been in the wrong they would have released the hotel security video.

Very Plausible. It could also just be a PR move to avoid extending this controversy. Much like when a celeb pays off a lawsuit based on a crime that might not have ever happened, just to get it gone.

 

[Lanny]

You contradict yourself and show a lack of knowledge as to who started what.

It (slavery in America) started in Africa thousands of years ago, with Africans enslaving other Africans, then much later Africans selling Africans to Dutch and British buyers who resold them to the Americas more than a hundred years before the US existed.

I thought the Europeans and Americans were supposed to be better? I guess we were at the same level despite our supposedly advanced civilization.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I didn't say you did. Again, you jumped into the conversation And I am saying it SEEMS like that is your stance based on your posts.

Secondly, I never brought up the holocaust, but since you did, I will go on record as saying both slavery and the holocaust are disgustingly evil acts that humans should be incredibly embarrassed about. With that said, I too believe the holocaust is worse, if there is such a worse. Eliminating a race verse slave labor and letting them live.
Pretty clear to me which is worse.

I mean, reverse the roles. If Jews were enslaved for a period of time, but Blacks and Africans were sought to be eliminated from the planet, wouldn't you think the elimination would be worse?

I mean, one is still letting one live and the other isn't. Isn't death the end all?

In fairness, the type of slavery practiced in the Confederacy was not common and was largely limited to Anglos. Slavery as practiced by the French, Spanish, and Belgians was pretty much indistinguishable from genocide. Slaves were seen as disposable and it was considered cheaper to replace them than care for them. You can see this from Haiti to the Belgium Congo to the Spanish colonies in the Americas to the Nazi slave labor camps.

The American view of slavery is distorted by the existence of plantain owners who saw slaves as valuable as a plow horse or mule. This minimum level of compassion has somehow grown into the neo-confederate BS about how slavery wasn't that bad. The fact that southern politicos (yes, over-whelmingly GOP) want that version of slavery taught in schools speaks volumes, but that is a separate discussion.

 

[Lanny]

In fairness, the type of slavery practiced in the Confederacy was not common and was largely limited to Anglos. Slavery as practiced by the French, Spanish, and Belgians was pretty much indistinguishable from genocide. Slaves were seen as disposable and it was considered cheaper to replace them than care for them. You can see this from Haiti to the Belgium Congo to the Spanish colonies in the Americas to the Nazi slave labor camps.

The American view of slavery is distorted by the existence of plantain owners who saw slaves as valuable as a plow horse or mule. This minimum level of compassion has somehow grown into the neo-confederate BS about how slavery wasn't that bad. The fact that southern politicos (yes, over-whelmingly GOP) want that version of slavery taught in schools speaks volumes, but that is a separate discussion.

Alexander Hamilton grew up in the British West Indies where slaves were used to work the sugar cane fields. The life expectancy in those fields for the slaves was somewhere between 30 and 40. Slavery was worse than very bad it was more like horrific which I think was your point.

 

[Orion Bailey]

In fairness, the type of slavery practiced in the Confederacy was not common and was largely limited to Anglos. Slavery as practiced by the French, Spanish, and Belgians was pretty much indistinguishable from genocide. Slaves were seen as disposable and it was considered cheaper to replace them than care for them. You can see this from Haiti to the Belgium Congo to the Spanish colonies in the Americas to the Nazi slave labor camps.

The American view of slavery is distorted by the existence of plantain owners who saw slaves as valuable as a plow horse or mule. This minimum level of compassion has somehow grown into the neo-confederate BS about how slavery wasn't that bad. The fact that southern politicos (yes, over-whelmingly GOP) want that version of slavery taught in schools speaks volumes, but that is a separate discussion.

I only made that point because its been claimed that Slavery is worse than the holocaust. My serious post on that wes, racism is racism is racism and slavery is slavery and hatred is hatred and nothing is better than the other. Its all pure evils. But others are trying t0 push the narrative that genocide isnt as bad as slavery? Thats where I get lost.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I don't remember my room number now leave me alone I need privacy for my phone call. Which I can't pay attention to while you're bothering me but I do know somehow that you didn't question any white guests Earl.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/portla...calls-cops-on-black-guest-employees-on-leave/

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

By the way, once they found out he was a paying customer they clearly should have left him alone.

My wife and her employees put up with far worse from customers on a daily basis.

Maybe Earl would have let me stay. I'd put it at 80/20 that he would. Maybe he's just a bitter old guy that feels like he shouldn't even be working.

 

[dviss1]

Bullshit.

Yeah...

 

[dviss1]

And there are vile racists that have long found a comfortable and supportive home among the so-called liberals in the Democrat party.

Arguing against bigotry and hatred by spewing bigotry and hatred is never going to change things for the better.

Name some. I'll wait.

 

[dviss1]

In fairness, the type of slavery practiced in the Confederacy was not common and was largely limited to Anglos. Slavery as practiced by the French, Spanish, and Belgians was pretty much indistinguishable from genocide. Slaves were seen as disposable and it was considered cheaper to replace them than care for them. You can see this from Haiti to the Belgium Congo to the Spanish colonies in the Americas to the Nazi slave labor camps.

The American view of slavery is distorted by the existence of plantain owners who saw slaves as valuable as a plow horse or mule. This minimum level of compassion has somehow grown into the neo-confederate BS about how slavery wasn't that bad. The fact that southern politicos (yes, over-whelmingly GOP) want that version of slavery taught in schools speaks volumes, but that is a separate discussion.

Parsing slavery now....?

"In fairness" to the American slave drivers....?

Jesus OB....

 

[dviss1]

Why do I even engage.....

 

[dviss1]

Maybe Earl would have let me stay. I'd put it at 80/20 that he would. Maybe he's just a bitter old racist that feels like he should get to abuse the small amount of power he has.

FTFY

 

[Lanny]

Yeah...

Hey, more than half the Democrat members are women.
Uh oh, only one out of the 30 Republicans is a woman.
13 of the 40 Democrats are of a minority.
0 out of the 31 Republicans are minorities.
I wonder which party has a future.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Parsing slavery now....?

"In fairness" to the American slave drivers....?

Jesus OB....

Dude. First he is OMG, IM OB.

 

[Orion Bailey]

So, D, Since there are less women republicans than dems, does that mean that republicans are sexist too?

 

[Orion Bailey]

When it comes to minorities to a specific party, I do beleive that many minorities become Democrats because dems believe in more socialized government, and republicans want less government to help individuals. This isnt a racial thing either way, but I do believe minorities are dems because they want help from the government to offset the struggles they have gone through.

I understand it, but dont think it is fair. Universal health care for example. Im against it. Do I want to see my money pay for someone who wants to sit on the couch and eat potato chips? Hell no.

Also, I don't know for a fact, just basing this on my experience and observations, but I also think that many minorities have more children per family than non minorities.

Again. I'm sorry, but I don't want to pay for others to raise their children because they don't use birth control.

With that said I have chastised my own sister for doing the same damn thing. Sitting on her ass having four kids and expecting everyone else to pay for her living in America.

And yes. She is a democrat.

 

[dviss1]

Dude. First he is OMG, IM OB.

Oh God... Lol. I'm sorry. Bring your AVI back!

 

[dviss1]

When it comes to minorities to a specific party, I do beleive that many minorities become Democrats because dems believe in more socialized government, and republicans want less government to help individuals. This isnt a racial thing either way, but I do believe minorities are dems because they want help from the government to offset the struggles they have gone through.

I understand it, but dont think it is fair. Universal health care for example. Im against it. Do I want to see my money pay for someone who wants to sit on the couch and eat potato chips? Hell no.

Also, I don't know for a fact, just basing this on my experience and observations, but I also think that many minorities have more children per family than non minorities.

Again. I'm sorry, but I don't want to pay for others to raise their children because they don't use birth control.

With that said I have chastised my own sister for doing the same damn thing. Sitting on her ass having four kids and expecting everyone else to pay for her living in America.

And yes. She is a democrat.

Not true. We've voted Democratic because we've known who's stood on our way of progress at every turn. Conservatives.

Now you just said blacks vote dem because they want free shit...

Nice...

 

[Lanny]

Not true. We've voted Democratic because we've known who's stood on our way of progress at every turn. Conservatives.

Now you just said blacks vote dem because they want free shit...

Nice...

When you say free stuff do you mean free to be treated like everyone else? Does anyone think that's asking too much?