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[dviss1]

And I answered you very specifically. Being white does not make you an American or someone has committed any kind of racism or racist act.

So to justify that hating white people is deserved and earned and not worthy of some kind of term, like "bigot" or "racist" is completely ridiculous.

Jesus man... I'm specifically talking about America. Not sure why y'all keep bringing up other countries.

And regardless if you believe it or not Nate, you still benefit from slavery and Jim Crow.

 

[dviss1]

So to justify that hating white people is deserved and earned and not worthy of some kind of term, like "bigot" or "racist" is completely ridiculous.

Never once did I justify hating white people. What I gave you was the reason why black people have hatred toward white people. It has NOTHING to do with your skin and never once did I say it was right. Blacks who hate whites hate them because of oppression, not skin tone.

Now please tell me where the FUCK I'm justifying anything by saying that.

You need to READ and stop putting words in my mouth.

 

[Natebishop3]

Jesus man... I'm specifically talking about America. Not sure why y'all keep bringing up other countries.

I am bringing up other countries because not everyone in America is American. Not everyone in America lives here. Not everyone who is white has any part in American history. I'm trying to emphasize that being white is not where the beef is. Skin color has nothing to do with it. So for any black person to hate someone simply because they're white is bigoted. But you won't attribute a word to it.

And regardless if you believe it or not Nate, you still benefit from slavery and Jim Crow.

This has nothing to do with my question.

 

[Natebishop3]

Never once did I justify hating white people. What I gave you was the reason why black people have hatred toward white people. It has NOTHING to do with your skin and never once did I say it was right. Blacks who hate whites hate them because of oppression, not skin tone.

Now please tell me where the FUCK I'm justifying anything by saying that.

You need to READ and stop putting words in my mouth.

I didn't ask you why.

I asked you what you would call it. Hatred of a skin color, regardless of reason, is still bigoted.

 

[dviss1]

So it is completely fair and non racist for white Americans today to hate black people because of whatever they see black people do today.

So Earl thinks this dude looks like a gang banger for whatever reason. Earl only thinks that because rap made it cool and Earl is old. Dude was at a rap concert previously. Makes sense.

I was at a Godsmack concert this summer and the crowd was almost completely middle aged white couples such as my wife and I.

Most of the women looked like meth head prostitutes (not my wife)

OR biker chicks. Again, not my wife.

And the whole place smelled like weed. My wife and I smelled like it when we got home. We washed our clothes and showered before bed.

If one of those people was in a hotel at midnight and got harassed what would you call that?

You like random hypothetical scenarios instead of actual ones.

I got something for you:

I didn't ask you why.

I asked you what you would call it. Hatred of a skin color, regardless of reason, is still bigoted.

I would call your argument exactly what it is, a strawman.

 

[Natebishop3]

You like random hypothetical scenarios instead of actual ones.

I got something for you:





I would call your argument exactly what it is, a strawman.

It isn't an argument. It's a question.

In one instance you say that a black person who hates white people because they're white doesn't exist.

And then in another sentence you say, "blacks who hate whites hate them because of oppression, not skin tone."

How do you exactly go about attributing who has contributed to that oppression and who hasn't? I don't walk around with my family tree in my back pocket.

 

[Orion Bailey]

And I answered your question specifically.

They don't exist.

Hatred was placed upon them and they respond in kind.

You created a strawman person you think and believe exists.
believe

They don't.

White people started this shit and like I've said, the second they start owning it is when it will begin to subside.

D, That is not right or accurate and I know you are smart enough to know this.
Racism actually started with Isaac and Ismail and had nothing to do with Skin Color, but who was the rightful heir to Abraham. Both had an olive type skin tone. Since the racism has morphed and changed into what we have today ( not saying anything is right in it all).
I will guarantee there is a racist in every race. I don't need a poll for this one. This includes Blacks. Judging one based on thier skin color REGARDLESS of the history of races is still a racist act, regardless of how that act came to be.

Please quote where I've said republicans are racist. I'll wait. I've never said this.

I've always pointed at conservatives. I've even brought up the Dixiecrats (who used to be Democrats that changed to Republican) as an example of racist Democrats.

I say this with full acknowledgement that not all conservatives are racist. People like you, @SlyPokerDog, and @PtldPlatypus are amazing examples.

I didn't say you did, but you were trying to correct someone who basically was. There are racists in all facets and the Republicans may have more than others, but to deny there are racists in certain facets or races is not accurate either.

Sly Plty and I arent the only non racist rebs.

 

[Orion Bailey]

And I answered your question specifically.

They don't exist.

Hatred was placed upon them and they respond in kind.

You created a strawman person you think and believe exists.
believe

They don't.

White people started this shit and like I've said, the second they start owning it is when it will begin to subside.

Wait though D,

How is it White man was born racist but Black man wasn't and was turned that way?

Or let me back up. Do you think that racism is a taught thing or can people be born thinking they are inferior or superior?

Do you really believe that every Black person in history has never had a racist bone, but soooo many white people do and thus forced Blacks to become racist?

I'm not buying this at all.

Racism is nasty evil cruel bs and there is no denying it, but we have to call an apple an apple and an orange an orange and work on today and tomorrow. Not yesterday.

Racism should be quelled on all levels, not just with Whites. There is no excuse or pass for someone being a racist because of history. We all have internet and knowledge and info is out there like never before.

People choose to be racist based on beliefs. Not forced into it out of cohersion. Just as Whites need to acknowledge that the spread of racism was massive mostly by whites, we also must acknowledge reverse racism indeed exists and is no better than racism.

No excuses for racism should ever be... on either or any side.

 

[dviss1]

D, That is not right or accurate and I know you are smart enough to know this.
Racism actually started with Isaac and Ismail and had nothing to do with Skin Color, but who was the rightful heir to Abraham. Both had an olive type skin tone. Since the racism has morphed and changed into what we have today ( not saying anything is right in it all).
I will guarantee there is a racist in every race. I don't need a poll for this one. This includes Blacks. Judging one based on thier skin color REGARDLESS of the history of races is still a racist act, regardless of how that act came to be.




I didn't say you did, but you were trying to correct someone who basically was. There are racists in all facets and the Republicans may have more than others, but to deny there are racists in certain facets or races is not accurate either.

Sly Plty and I arent the only non racist rebs.

This is why I get so damn frustrated....

Why the Hell do people start with racism history that is not US history??

I ain't talking about Abraham fucking a slave girl...

 

[dviss1]

How is it White man was born racist but Black man wasn't and was turned that way?

OB... WTF are you talking about...?

 

[Orion Bailey]

This is why I get so damn frustrated....

Why the Hell do people start with racism history that is not US history??

I ain't talking about Abraham fucking a slave girl...

Because US history is based off of migrating from Europe.

Come on man. History didn't start with this country and most of this countries holidays, beliefs and events were from before America.

Sorry if it frustrates you, but if we want to tackle racism and try to anoint some sort of blame, then you cant jump into it in the middle, just because that's when this country was created. Slavery and racism was an issue long before this country existed and to not take that into account discredits any thing else following.

 

[dviss1]

Jesus Christ MFs need to read and stop inventing shit....

I NEVER said black people weren't racist...

I gave you the reason why.

And YES it's a response to subjugation...

 

[Orion Bailey]

OB... WTF are you talking about...?

You said Black racists are non existent and racism against them turned them into so. So what turned whites into racists then? Were they born that way?

Following me now?

 

[dviss1]

Because US history is based off of migrating from Europe.

Come on man. History didn't start with this country and most of this countries holidays, beliefs and events were from before America.

Sorry if it frustrates you, but if we want to tackle racism and try to anoint some sort of blame, then you cant jump into it in the middle, just because that's when this country was created. Slavery and racism was an issue long before this country existed and to not take that into account discredits any thing else following.

I'M TALKING ABOUT US HISTORY!!

Stay on topic.

You're giving racist white people an out. Stop.

 

[Orion Bailey]

And I answered your question specifically.

They don't exist.

Hatred was placed upon them and they respond in kind.

You created a strawman person you think and believe exists.
believe

They don't.

White people started this shit and like I've said, the second they start owning it is when it will begin to subside.

Jesus Christ MFs need to read and stop inventing shit....

I NEVER said black people weren't racist...

I gave you the reason why.

And YES it's a response to subjugation...

You didn't? Read above...

Its semantics man. You said they don't exist and they were created because of the hatred placed on them.

 

[dviss1]

You said Black racists are non existent and racism against them turned them into so. So what turned whites into racists then? Were they born that way?

Following me now?

Not true and you need to do a better job reading.

What I said was black people that hate white people don't hate them because they're white.

 

[Orion Bailey]

OB... WTF are you talking about...?

Exactly, what some of us are asking ourselves about some of what you have posted in the last page or so.

You stated that Black racists were created based on the hatred placed upon them. So what hatred befell white men to become racist? or were they born that way?

 

[Orion Bailey]

Not true and you need to do a better job reading.

What I said was black people that hate white people don't hate them because they're white.

You didn't answer Nate's question directly, so im playing the same game.

But they still hate them regardless. So again. What made white man hate blacks? Were the born that way?> See where I am getting at now? You are insinuating that Black people are born good and turned evil based on the society they live in, but whites are born racist?

Im trying to understand because some things you have said seem one sided.

 

[dviss1]

You didn't? Read above...

Its semantics man. You said they don't exist and they were created because of the hatred placed on them.

Read the whole thread, then post:

Non existent.

Black people who hate white people hate them because of what they've done and continue to do. Plain and simple.

 

[dviss1]

You didn't answer Nate's question directly, so im playing the same game.

But they still hate them regardless. So again. What made white man hate blacks? Were the born that way?> See where I am getting at now? You are insinuating that Black people are born good and turned evil based on the society they live in, but whites are born that way?

Well I guess that's the difference between you and I, I'm not playing any games and y'all aren't reading or listening.

 

[Natebishop3]

Not true and you need to do a better job reading.

What I said was black people that hate white people don't hate them because they're white.

So if they hate white people because of oppression, how do they determine which white people to hate and which ones not to hate?

 

[Orion Bailey]

I'M TALKING ABOUT US HISTORY!!

Stay on topic.

You're giving racist white people an out. Stop.

I came back and read the whole thread and I see where you dodged Nates question.

You may be talking about US history, but I'M talking about Racism history. Why does it matter what country its in??????????????

 

[Orion Bailey]

Well I guess that's the difference between you and I, I'm not playing any games and y'all aren't reading or listening.

If you aren't playing games, then you are purposefully or unintentionally avoiding the target point of some peoples' posts.

 

[Orion Bailey]

D, Racism is racism is racism. Who gives a fuck how it started or why people hate others? Other than for educational purposes of course to help quell future racism.

It is no better for a black man to hate whites because of oppression than it is for a white man to hate Blacks out of fear or ignorance.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Well I guess that's the difference between you and I, I'm not playing any games and y'all aren't reading or listening.

Then meet us half way and explain your point in a way we can better understand? Cause im not following and it sure seems like(between the lines) you are saying it isnt okay but its tolerable for a black to hate whites because of oppression.

If not, you never would have brought it up and you simply answered Nates questions with a yes... that would also be racist.... because it is.

 

[dviss1]

Exactly, what some of us are asking ourselves about some of what you have posted in the last page or so.

You stated that Black racists were created based on the hatred placed upon them. So what hatred befell white men to become racist? or were they born that way?

That's a great question. What made white people trade slaves? Racism isn't inherent.

 

[Natebishop3]

That's a great question. What made white people trade slaves? Racism isn't inherent.

What made Africans sell their countrymen to slavers?

It's like you think white people invented slavery.

 

[dviss1]

D, Racism is racism is racism. Who gives a fuck how it started or why people hate others? Other than for educational purposes of course to help quell future racism.

It is no better for a black man to hate whites because of oppression than it is for a white man to hate Blacks out of fear or ignorance.

Please point to a time when I said it was ok. Please quote a time when I said hatred was ok.

That's right. I didn't.

But you know what? MFs in here wanna compare the holocaust to slavery.... Like, "the holocaust was worse"....

So really which is worse?

 

[Natebishop3]

But you know what? MFs in here wanna compare the holocaust to slavery.... Like, "the holocaust was worse"....

lol here it comes

Is this your automatic trump card if you feel like you're starting to lose an argument?

 

[dviss1]

What made Africans sell their countrymen to slavers?

It's like you think white people invented slavery.

You go ahead and deconstruct that lie for yourself.

Like I said, the winners of the war write history.