Trade Idea Post and Discuss Trade Ideas for the 2019-20 Season (4 Viewers)

[UKRAINEFAN]

Since we mention him many times as a potential trade target Blake Griffin seems really done this season. Like something is really wrong with him.

Otto Porter also; won't have another evaluation until January 10 on his foot. Only played 56 games last year. I like the guy but would be leary of his durability. But he has only next year on his contract I think.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

POR Gets: Tony Snell, Markieff Morris, Larry Nance Jr
CLE Gets: Hassan Whiteside, Future DET 2nd
DET Gets: Tristan Thompson

POR Gets: Marcus Morris
NYK Gets: Kent Bazemore, 2022 POR 2nd

I think Cleveland really likes Nance; they are going to give him and Thompson up for a 2nd round pick?

 

[GDiama]

POR Gets: Tony Snell, Markieff Morris, Larry Nance Jr
CLE Gets: Hassan Whiteside, Future DET 2nd
DET Gets: Tristan Thompson

POR Gets: Marcus Morris
NYK Gets: Kent Bazemore, 2022 POR 2nd

I doubt Cleveland makes Nance available for a 2nd round pick.

+Portland's 1st round pick. I thin Bogdan is worth a 1st and Ariza probably has negative value so it's better for them to do that than just giving him away for a 1st from some other team and I think there will be plenty of suitors.


Gives a good playmaker off the bench as Bogdan is a lead guard on the floor while Ariza can start at SF, he is still good for a few things.

 

[BonesJones]

I don't see why Dallas is giving up assets for an expiring contract. Their window is in the next few years.

Theyd keep Whiteside. They could probably contend with him.

 

[BonesJones]

I doubt Cleveland makes Nance available for a 2nd round pick.

+Portland's 1st round pick. I thin Bogdan is worth a 1st and Ariza probably has negative value so it's better for them to do that than just giving him away for a 1st from some other team and I think there will be plenty of suitors.
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Gives a good playmaker off the bench as Bogdan is a lead guard on the floor while Ariza can start at SF, he is still good for a few things.

Itd be for Whiteside and a 2nd, where theyd probably try to trade Whiteside for additional value.

Ariza only has $1M guaranteed next year so he doesnt have negative value.

 

[BonesJones]

I think Cleveland really likes Nance; they are going to give him and Thompson up for a 2nd round pick?

See above.

 

[GDiama]

See above.

It's a very special case that of Hassan. If I were a GM I would never trade for him unless I have a 30 minute hole at the 5 and want to make him an integral part of the team. It's difficult really because the moment he doesn't feel indispensable he loses interest. Happened two seasons in a row with Miami.

In any case I'm sure Cleveland will first try and get something for Love and then Tristan and after that they won't have many big bodies left, Nance feels important for their future.

 

[Scalma]

Agreed. Hanging onto them has value.

Hey if we could flip them for a first round pick I'd certainly do it. They just dont have that much value. No trade is better than some overpaid player on the cap for a few years.

Let’s look at some of the guys in Whitesides/Baze range that might realistically be available

Kevin Love: doesn’t play defense, perpetually injured, and most importantly still owed $90M.

Blake Griffin: bad knee, will make nearly $40M the next two seasons, has played more than 70 games ONCE in the past six years.

Otto Porter: Making $25m+ and grades out as maybe a slightly above average starter. Injured. I sense a theme.

LaMarcus: the one that actually makes sense, but that also means it would cost more than just an expiring and a non lottery pick. Would you give up Simons or Zach for a season and a half of Aldridge? I probably would give up Simons, because I’m confident Aldridge would re-sign after next season, but I get it if others aren’t.

 

[CupWizier]

Otto Porter also; won't have another evaluation until January 10 on his foot. Only played 56 games last year. I like the guy but would be leary of his durability. But he has only next year on his contract I think.

Otto Porter is a nice player but it seems many over rate him as his numbers are solid but nothing that jumps out at you and like you said, his injury history is concerning as well. his current contract runs through the next year where he will be owed 28.6 mil. Huge salary for a 15ppg, 6rpg and 2 apg stats. I think there are better values out there.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Theyd keep Whiteside. They could probably contend with him.

At that time he's a 32 year old center with a game based on athleticism and a history of being a difficult personality.

Maybe they would be interested in using him as a short term starter. I dont think there is any way they give up future assets now for only the possibility of that scenario... Even if it plays out, has such marginal upside.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

If some contending team decides they need a center and offers us long term value sure we should consider moving Whiteside.

I just dont see that as realistic.

Keeping Whiteside is fine if the offers are very late protected second round picks and overpaid players.

Being able to resign him in the summer is possibly worth something to us, even if it's likely he instead will leave.

 

[Hoopguru]

Harrell could get traded for a rim protector.

"It would make more sense for the Clippers if they were open to trading Harrell to benefit the franchise this season. Their Achilles’ heel this season is defending opposition big men.

In the recent game against the Oklahoma City Thunder, Steven Adams dined out with 20 points and 17 rebounds. While the Thunder probably won’t be in the mix at the business end of the season, there are plenty of dangerous big men that will be".

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Let’s look at some of the guys in Whitesides/Baze range that might realistically be available

Kevin Love: doesn’t play defense, perpetually injured, and most importantly still owed $90M.

Blake Griffin: bad knee, will make nearly $40M the next two seasons, has played more than 70 games ONCE in the past six years.

Otto Porter: Making $25m+ and grades out as maybe a slightly above average starter. Injured. I sense a theme.

LaMarcus: the one that actually makes sense, but that also means it would cost more than just an expiring and a non lottery pick. Would you give up Simons or Zach for a season and a half of Aldridge? I probably would give up Simons, because I’m confident Aldridge would re-sign after next season, but I get it if others aren’t.

I think they shouldnt be going after “a fake star” type player, and looking to turn Baze / Whiteside into 2-3 guys who can contribute to depth over the next 2-3 years. They shouldnt find them in a position where an injury or two has them starting a journeyman SF at C...

 

[Cugel]

I am in favor of not making a trade. I have yet to see a good reason to really make one. In it's current guise this Portland team cannot beat anyone but the worst teams. They will probably make the playoffs then be swept. No trade target will change a first round exit.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I am in favor of not making a trade. I have yet to see a good reason to really make one. In it's current guise this Portland team cannot beat anyone but the worst teams. They will probably make the playoffs then be swept. No trade target will change a first round exit.

I think thats the reason, you trade him knowing you arent going anywhere this year even with him and hoping to bring talent who can be a part of a winning team when your front line is healthier. Keeping him only makes sense if you’re trying to make a run this year.

 

[wizenheimer]

I think thats the reason, you trade him knowing you arent going anywhere this year even with him and hoping to bring talent who can be a part of a winning team when your front line is healthier. Keeping him only makes sense if you’re trying to make a run this year.

you're really pushing hard on this idea....and I'm not trying to be combative here by the way

if I follow you correctly, I haven't really seen you pushing for somebody like Love. It seems more like you are saying try to land a player or two for added depth next season and just assume this season is a bust. Go for guys maybe on MLE-level contracts, or less, that could keep Portland below the tax line next year....do I have that right?

I'm wondering if you have any specific players in mind....and maybe more importantly if any of them would be worth that Blazer 1st round pick this year?

I mean, I'm looking at the list of multi-year contracts and not seeing anything that appealing

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

 

[Scalma]

I think they shouldnt be going after “a fake star” type player, and looking to turn Baze / Whiteside into 2-3 guys who can contribute to depth over the next 2-3 years. They shouldnt find them in a position where an injury or two has them starting a journeyman SF at C...

Turning Baze into a couple solid rotation caliber players is something I’d prefer as well. Trading Whiteside just depends on Nurk (and Collins) really.

 

[hoopsjock]

Let’s look at some of the guys in Whitesides/Baze range that might realistically be available

Kevin Love: doesn’t play defense, perpetually injured, and most importantly still owed $90M.

Blake Griffin: bad knee, will make nearly $40M the next two seasons, has played more than 70 games ONCE in the past six years.

Otto Porter: Making $25m+ and grades out as maybe a slightly above average starter. Injured. I sense a theme.

LaMarcus: the one that actually makes sense, but that also means it would cost more than just an expiring and a non lottery pick. Would you give up Simons or Zach for a season and a half of Aldridge? I probably would give up Simons, because I’m confident Aldridge would re-sign after next season, but I get it if others aren’t.

The contracts don't have to match up with those players though. Having that much salary in exprings lets you trade for just about anyone in the league that becomes available.

For example, with Detroit they could do a deal around Rose, Snell, and Morris for Bazemore and a throw-in (plus a pick or something). Detroit gets out of having to pay those guys next year. Then all of a sudden our bench next year has Rose, Simons, Snell, Little, Morris (maybe), Trent, and Skal (maybe). Add a big in free agency using the MLE or in that situation keep Whiteside and re-sign him with that bench mob.

 

[Scalma]

Here’s one I like

Thaddeus Young and Denzel Valentine for Bazemore and a pick

 

[hoopsjock]

you're really pushing hard on this idea....and I'm not trying to be combative here by the way

if I follow you correctly, I haven't really seen you pushing for somebody like Love. It seems more like you are saying try to land a player or two for added depth next season and just assume this season is a bust. Go for guys maybe on MLE-level contracts, or less, that could keep Portland below the tax line next year....do I have that right?

I'm wondering if you have any specific players in mind....and maybe more importantly if any of them would be worth that Blazer 1st round pick this year?

I mean, I'm looking at the list of multi-year contracts and not seeing anything that appealing

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

I still like the idea of Covington and Dieng for Whiteside. Covington is an All-Defensive team level defender and shoots an average 3 point percentage on high volume. Dieng isn't great but would be fine as a stop gap until players are healthy. They could always use the Hood DPE to get another body for depth too.

I really don't think they'd fall off much if at all this year and next year having Dame, CJ, Hood, Covington, Collins, and Nurk is a really good core that could actually be a force defensively. Fill out the roster with savvy value moves and the young guns (Little, Simons, Trent, Skal) and I think they could be really good.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

you're really pushing hard on this idea....and I'm not trying to be combative here by the way

if I follow you correctly, I haven't really seen you pushing for somebody like Love. It seems more like you are saying try to land a player or two for added depth next season and just assume this season is a bust. Go for guys maybe on MLE-level contracts, or less, that could keep Portland below the tax line next year....do I have that right?

I'm wondering if you have any specific players in mind....and maybe more importantly if any of them would be worth that Blazer 1st round pick this year?

I mean, I'm looking at the list of multi-year contracts and not seeing anything that appealing

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

I dont think their first this year unless its top 5 is that valuable, its not a great draft year IMO (I realize theres always some guys who jump up as the draft comes closer).

Id love it if they could have Nurk / Whiteside as a center combination, I just think its a very, very slim chance that happens and both are happy. I also dont think building the roster through 12m of capspace nets them players who are going to get them where they want to go. So my idea is use at least one of Baze or Whiteside (or both) to try get them
Some depth. I think the “small market” recipe for success comes in the form of one really good star, and a lot of depth around them. Its hard for small markets to get stars. Look at Milwaukee for instance Giannis is probably better than Dame at this point, but that team has so much depth that fits their system. A small market team with only one true All-Star+ level guys just has to have as many guys as they can who are worth giving minutes too.

Would New Orleans do Whiteside + a first for Ball and Favors?
Theres a lot of contracts out there that fit the bill when Im on a PC I’ll take a better look.

 

[Scalma]

Does Portland have one or two open roster spots? I know they have 14 players on the roster but does the Hood DPE also count as an extra roster spot?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Does Portland have one or two open roster spots? I know they have 14 players on the roster but does the Hood DPE also count as an extra roster spot?

I think it counts as a roster spot if a player they get fits into the DPE, not a roster spot if they made a trade and no ones contract fits.

 

[tlongII]

Lol

 

[BigGameDamian]

Would anyone trade Bazemore and Skal to OKC for Adams then trade Whiteside for the Bulls for Porter Jr?

 

[hoopsjock]

Would anyone trade Bazemore and Skal to OKC for Adams then trade Whiteside for the Bulls for Porter Jr?

The Blazers would be over $131 million next year only counting 5 guys, ha ha (Dame, CJ, Nurk, Adams, and OPJ). The luxury tax line is expected to be around $141 million so there would be no reasonable way to avoid a huge tax payment.

They'd be worse this year (mainly because Porter is out awhile longer) so they'd probably get a lottery pick if that's what you're going for.

 

[Scalma]

Would anyone trade Bazemore and Skal to OKC for Adams then trade Whiteside for the Bulls for Porter Jr?

im the right amount of high for this. Yes.

 

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Name POS Age HT WT College Salary

Carmelo Anthony00 PF 35 6' 8" 238 lbs Syracuse $1,364,204

Kent Bazemore24 SG 30 6' 4" 195 lbs Old Dominion $19,269,662

Moses Brown4 C 20 7' 2" 245 lbs UCLA --

Zach Collins33 PF 22 6' 11" 250 lbs Gonzaga $4,240,200

Mario Hezonja44 SF 24 6' 8" 220 lbs -- $1,737,145

Jaylen Hoard6 SF 20 6' 8" 216 lbs Wake Forest --

Rodney Hood5 SG 27 6' 8" 208 lbs Duke $5,718,000

Skal Labissiere17 PF 23 6' 10" 235 lbs Kentucky $2,338,847

Damian Lillard0 PG 29 6' 2" 195 lbs Weber State $29,802,321

Nassir Little9 SF 19 6' 5" 220 lbs North Carolina $2,105,520

CJ McCollum3 SG 28 6' 3" 190 lbs Lehigh $27,556,959

Jusuf Nurkic27 C 25 7' 0" 290 lbs -- $13,125,000

Anfernee Simons1 SG 20 6' 3" 181 lbs -- $2,149,560

Anthony Tolliver43 PF 34 6' 8" 240 lbs Creighton $1,620,564

Gary Trent Jr.2 SG 20 6' 5" 209 lbs Duke $1,416,852

Hassan Whiteside21 C 30 7' 0" 265 lbs Marshall $27,093,017




Is Kent Bazemore worth 19 mil?? I would start there.

 

[CupWizier]

Is Kent Bazemore worth 19 mil?? I would start there.

His contract is irrelevant at this stage as he is simply an expiring contract and in any trade we would have to bring back similar salary.

 

[CupWizier]

im the right amount of high for this. Yes.

I think the Bulls would expect more than just an expiring contract for Porter and you say Bazemore isn't worth 19 mil. Is Porter really worth $56 mil for 2 years? I think there could be better values to be had out there.