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What if DeRozan has told the Spurs he doesn't want to re-up with them? What if we told him he could help pick our next coach? Would a CJ for DeRozan trade make sense?
 
@tester551 What about something like this to duck the tax for the Blazers:

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Grizzlies don't get a 1st for Iggy but they get a high 2nd and a couple of young players on rookie deals.

Mavericks add Iggy for an expiring, 2nd, and taking on Felicio's contract next year. They would still be under the tax despite taking on the extra salary.

Bulls take on $8.6 million in salary this year in exchange for trimming about $36 million next year and pick up a future 2nd.

Blazers go from being $13.7 million over the tax to $5.3 million UNDER the tax!!! With two open roster spots that's enough money to sign or trade for two players up to $5.3 million and still be under the tax. This trade would also generate an over $19 million trade exception that they'd have a year to use. Just an example but say at the draft Minnesota wants our pick for Robert Covington then we'd be able to make that trade without having to match salary.

Now unless Porter and Nurk come back healthy this season or Portland pulls off some sort of miracle signing/trade with the extra roster spots they would use, this would most likely result in not making a run at the playoffs this year. Sure, I get that it seems like they'd be wasting a year of Dame's prime but best case scenario it seems unlikely to turn this season completely around anyway. Next year run it back with Dame, CJ, Simons, Trent, Hood?, Little, Hezonja?, Porter, Collins, Nurk, Skal?, Lotto Pick (we're only 2 games out of 5th), Full-MLE, Bi-Annual Exception, and/or using part or all of the huge Trade Exception. The cap situation moving forward would be much more manageable.

The only question is if this is enough for all teams involved to make a move like this work and is it something the Blazers should consider?
 
hoopsjock said:
@tester551 What about something like this to duck the tax for the Blazers:

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Grizzlies don't get a 1st for Iggy but they get a high 2nd and a couple of young players on rookie deals.

Mavericks add Iggy for an expiring, 2nd, and taking on Felicio's contract next year. They would still be under the tax despite taking on the extra salary.

Bulls take on $8.6 million in salary this year in exchange for trimming about $36 million next year and pick up a future 2nd.

Blazers go from being $13.7 million over the tax to $5.3 million UNDER the tax!!! With two open roster spots that's enough money to sign or trade for two players up to $5.3 million and still be under the tax. This trade would also generate an over $19 million trade exception that they'd have a year to use. Just an example but say at the draft Minnesota wants our pick for Robert Covington then we'd be able to make that trade without having to match salary.

Now unless Porter and Nurk come back healthy this season or Portland pulls off some sort of miracle signing/trade with the extra roster spots they would use, this would most likely result in not making a run at the playoffs this year. Sure, I get that it seems like they'd be wasting a year of Dame's prime but best case scenario it seems unlikely to turn this season completely around anyway. Next year run it back with Dame, CJ, Simons, Trent, Hood?, Little, Hezonja?, Porter, Collins, Nurk, Skal?, Lotto Pick (we're only 2 games out of 5th), Full-MLE, Bi-Annual Exception, and/or using part or all of the huge Trade Exception. The cap situation moving forward would be much more manageable.

The only question is if this is enough for all teams involved to make a move like this work and is it something the Blazers should consider?
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I like it. Memphis would have issues with roster spots, but that could be overcome.
 
tester551 said:
I like it. Memphis would have issues with roster spots, but that could be overcome.
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Yeah, lower end to minimum salary players could be mixed around to accommodate that. Portland could even take on one or two unwanted players from teams involved as long as they were a combined under $5.3 million.
 
https://dcs-b.megaphone.fm/LKN3334644345.mp3?key=d38f50e7db512c60bb0869d9bdda7037

Mike Richman podcast from a couple days ago. His “informed opinion” is the blazers are “desperately” trying to do something trade wise. He also goes on a little rant about how horrific the team is rebounding the ball with Whiteside off the court and wonders why the team hasn’t signed anyone to a ten day after the Skal injury. He’s of the opinion that it’s financially motivated, because no other explanation makes sense. Can’t say I disagree, but maybe they need the roster spot for a 2-1 trade and don’t think a ten day guy is gonna make a big enough difference in the meantime.
 
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Scalma said:
https://dcs-b.megaphone.fm/LKN3334644345.mp3?key=d38f50e7db512c60bb0869d9bdda7037

Mike Richman podcast from a couple days ago. His “informed opinion” is the blazers are “desperately” trying to do something trade wise. He also goes on a little rant about how horrific the team is rebounding the ball with Whiteside off the court and wonders why the team hasn’t signed anyone to a ten day after the Skal injury. He’s of the opinion that it’s financially motivated, because no other explanation makes sense. Can’t say I disagree, but maybe they need the roster spot for a 2-1 trade and don’t think a ten day guy is gonna make a big enough difference in the meantime.
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I knew the Blazers are desperate to get something done.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
https://tradenba.com/trades/set0TglhA
Sac gets Baze and Whiteside
Portland Gets dedmon, Barnes and Yogi
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Honestly I would do that deal. probably also add a few 2nd pick if needed Think about it. It would help most of our issues. We would get dedmon to be a solid back up to nurk. Barnes would be a great fit in a dame, cj, Collins, and nurk lineup. Just think harkless defense with a real threat offense. And yogi would be the solid back up point guard we need off the bench. Also one other thing, while Barnes contract is expensive at $24 million, it actually go down $2 million for each other for rest of the contract. Which mean in his final year would be $18 million. Now that money is a lot cheaper than what Kent is getting nowadays.
Dame/yogi
CJ/Simons
Barnes/Hood
Collins/skal
Nurk/ dedmon
Now that's a starting lineup is very solid. And with a bench that should be able to score a lot more than it currently has
 
From John Hollinger, The Athletic

Robert Covington, Minnesota – Minnesota isn’t just going to trade Covington for the hell of it. He’s too good, a two-way, two-position forward who spaces the floor and doesn’t need the ball. Every team in the league can use this guy. The other key selling point is his contract, which pays an average of $12.5 million a year for the two seasons after this one. Thus, giving up an asset for Covington isn’t just a rental, he can be a key piece of a good team for a couple of years of a title-chase window.

The question is, what would the T’wolves want for him? Do they only see him in the context of a deal for somebody else’s star player, or are they willing to move him for pure assets and gamble on rebuilding more deeply around Karl-Anthony Towns? Certainly, Covington’s name has been out there, but the context in which Minnesota would greenlight a deal remains squishy.

While we’re here — everyone is putting together scenarios with contenders for Covington, but what about non-contenders? Given his contract, any team looking at a two-year window after this one should be kicking the tires. For instance, shouldn’t Portland look at RoCo as a potential starting 4 next year? Would the Wolves look at the talented but raw Anfernee Simons as fair compensation?

Kevin Love, Cleveland – I’m cheating here since I don’t think he makes sense for most teams. But I do see one fairly realistic deal: Love, Ante Zizic and John Henson to Portland for Hassan Whiteside, Kent Bazemore and a top-20 protected 2021 first. It lets Cleveland get out of the Love deal while selling the fact the Cavs got an asset for it, and allows Portland to move on from a season that’s circling the drain and start working on the next one. Portland’s next-best option with its expiring contracts would be to parlay them into mid-teens cap space, which maybe gets them a shot at Bogdan Bogdanovic or somebody of his ilk. Locking Love into the Lillard-McCollum-Nurkic prime years seems the better option.
 
GDiama said:
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lottery protected 1st round pick

I would prefer the same trade for Covington+Dieng, but I think Covington has higher value and just our 1st would not be enough even if we get Dieng. I think Minnesota wants to use both Covington and Dieng in a trade that gets them a player back not just a pick and cap space because no FA is signing there anyway and then they won't have the ability to match salaries next season if they give up those two contracts.

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Hornets have been looking to get in on Drummond, but maybe they can give a look to Hassan. They can get him the 30 min role he wants since Zeller is kind of injury prone and has been even leapfroged by Biyombo nowadays.

This gets as to:
Lillard/Simons
CJ/Trent
Bogdanovic/MKG
Melo/Marvin
Nurkic/Dedmon

Marvin can be kept for next season with a team friendly contract i guess, he is not a bad backup. And I would match whatever Bogdan brings, i don't think there is much money out there for him summer 2020.


2020/21 team:
Lillard/Ant
CJ/Bogdanovic
Hood/Little
Zach/Marvin
Nurkic/Dedmon

Bogdanovic will be the playmaker we need in the 2nd unit and will help Ant settle in more of a scoring role. There is enough D in this roster as well I believe.
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1st trade meh
2nd trade hard pass
 
GDiama said:
From John Hollinger, The Athletic

Robert Covington, Minnesota – Minnesota isn’t just going to trade Covington for the hell of it. He’s too good, a two-way, two-position forward who spaces the floor and doesn’t need the ball. Every team in the league can use this guy. The other key selling point is his contract, which pays an average of $12.5 million a year for the two seasons after this one. Thus, giving up an asset for Covington isn’t just a rental, he can be a key piece of a good team for a couple of years of a title-chase window.

The question is, what would the T’wolves want for him? Do they only see him in the context of a deal for somebody else’s star player, or are they willing to move him for pure assets and gamble on rebuilding more deeply around Karl-Anthony Towns? Certainly, Covington’s name has been out there, but the context in which Minnesota would greenlight a deal remains squishy.

While we’re here — everyone is putting together scenarios with contenders for Covington, but what about non-contenders? Given his contract, any team looking at a two-year window after this one should be kicking the tires. For instance, shouldn’t Portland look at RoCo as a potential starting 4 next year? Would the Wolves look at the talented but raw Anfernee Simons as fair compensation?

Kevin Love, Cleveland – I’m cheating here since I don’t think he makes sense for most teams. But I do see one fairly realistic deal: Love, Ante Zizic and John Henson to Portland for Hassan Whiteside, Kent Bazemore and a top-20 protected 2021 first. It lets Cleveland get out of the Love deal while selling the fact the Cavs got an asset for it, and allows Portland to move on from a season that’s circling the drain and start working on the next one. Portland’s next-best option with its expiring contracts would be to parlay them into mid-teens cap space, which maybe gets them a shot at Bogdan Bogdanovic or somebody of his ilk. Locking Love into the Lillard-McCollum-Nurkic prime years seems the better option.
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Simons for Covington? Yeah right hahaha.
 
damianlillard said:
Honestly I would do that deal. probably also add a few 2nd pick if needed Think about it. It would help most of our issues. We would get dedmon to be a solid back up to nurk. Barnes would be a great fit in a dame, cj, Collins, and nurk lineup. Just think harkless defense with a real threat offense. And yogi would be the solid back up point guard we need off the bench. Also one other thing, while Barnes contract is expensive at $24 million, it actually go down $2 million for each other for rest of the contract. Which mean in his final year would be $18 million. Now that money is a lot cheaper than what Kent is getting nowadays.
Dame/yogi
CJ/Simons
Barnes/Hood
Collins/skal
Nurk/ dedmon
Now that's a starting lineup is very solid. And with a bench that should be able to score a lot more than it currently has
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That locks us into that lineup for 3 years, and its not even close to being good enough to win a championship.
 
BonesJones said:
That locks us into that lineup for 3 years, and it's not even close to being good enough to win a championship.
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What if that's coupled with swapping CJ for Harris (as many have suggested), and Barnes shifts down to the 2? Feels like that could be a pretty big, long, and strong defensive unit.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
What if that's coupled with swapping CJ for Harris (as many have suggested), and Barnes shifts down to the 2? Feels like that could be a pretty big, long, and strong defensive unit.
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any scenario where CJ is traded is a waste of energy tbh.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
What if that's coupled with swapping CJ for Harris (as many have suggested), and Barnes shifts down to the 2? Feels like that could be a pretty big, long, and strong defensive unit.
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Barnes is more of a true 3 and Harris I feel like is better as a smaller 4. Forcing Barnes to play the 2 would be a disaster, in my opinion.
 
Apparently no team inquiring about Andre Drummond has even offered a 1st round pick for him. I think some people are overvaluing him.
 
hoopsjock said:
Apparently no team inquiring about Andre Drummond has even offered a 1st round pick for him. I think some people are overvaluing him.
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The teams that could use him should honestly just shift their focus to Whiteside. Drummond is younger and may be a little better, but not by much, and Whiteside could be had for less. Sacramento keeps standing out to me as the most obvious team in the market for a center that also has pieces to interest Portland.
 
Scalma said:
The teams that could use him should honestly just shift their focus to Whiteside. Drummond is younger and may be a little better, but not by much, and Whiteside could be had for less. Sacramento keeps standing out to me as the most obvious team in the market for a center that also has pieces to interest Portland.
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The 4 year age difference is pretty big considering Drummond is just entering his prime while Whiteside is on the back end of it though. I wish you were right as it would be great to get something for Whiteside.
 
hoopsjock said:
The 4 year age difference is pretty big considering Drummond is just entering his prime while Whiteside is on the back end of it though. I wish you were right as it would be great to get something for Whiteside.
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Whiteside isn’t that old when you look at the contracts bigs in their 30s get. Horford just got $100m at 33. Aldridge was 30 when the Spurs gave him the max. That’s just off the top of my head, I’m sure there are more examples.
 
Sarni said:
There isn’t a player in the league Olshey would trade CJ for.
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the list of players he would trade CJ for is a lot shorter than it should be. It probably looks something like this:

LeBron
 
Scalma said:
Whiteside isn’t that old when you look at the contracts bigs in their 30s get. Horford just got $100m at 33. Aldridge was 30 when the Spurs gave him the max. That’s just off the top of my head, I’m sure there are more examples.
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Of course he's not that old when you compare him to people his same age but the comparison is to Drummond not Aldridge and Horford. BTW, the Horford signing isn't looking good.
 
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