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Cov is extremely movable. They can get a decent first for that one and maybe a third or fourth tier young talent. Depending on the outlook in a few games, our first for 2020 should be of interest, but how much extra value would you be willing to attach? Little? As in Nasir?
 
Would you give up a lottery protected first for Aaron Gordon
 
Scalma said:
Would you give up a lottery protected first for Aaron Gordon
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he's got a PER of 13.4 when the league average is 15; He has a TS% which is quite a bit worse than Hezonja; and his rebounding rate isn't good either. This is his worst season though. He's a poor perimeter shooter which doesn't mesh in the Stotts offense. Those aren't impressive numbers. On the other hand, between 2015-2020, Gordon had a better RAPM than Zach, Aminu, Harkless, and Hood....but he gets paid 2-3 times as much

I don't think he moves the needle, so no, I probably wouldn't give up the 1st for him...maybe
 
wizenheimer said:
no that's not it...I'm saying it's crazy because you're trying to justify Portland taking on another bad contract because Minnesota might look to trade KAT in the next 2 seasons; and they might be interested in Simons and the collection of mediocre 1sts Portland could offer, ALONG with that bad contract (rather than CJ); and that Portland's offer might be better than any other teams making offers for KAT.....well by the time you get to the end of that chugging train of mights, you're not left with anything close to realistic. In fact, somewhere in that string of mights, try this one: Portland trades CJ to a 3rd team that sends some assets to Minny including some salary and cap savings. Why is that not more realistic than the notion Minny would accept Portland's bad contract?

here's the chain of events you seem to want:

cap-space ---> Evan Turner ---> Kent Bazemore ---> high salary mediocre player ---> hope and prayer

I'm suggesting the best option is to break that chain ASAP
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Okay, fair enough. I do feel like that is just focusing on a small part of my plan while brushing off getting assets and getting completely out of a huge tax payment this season though.
 
hoopsjock said:
Okay, fair enough. I do feel like that is just focusing on a small part of my plan while brushing off getting assets and getting completely out of a huge tax payment this season though.
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well, I'll give you that to a degree, but to be honest, I've got kind of glazed eyes after all the trade ideas I've seen for Hassan and Baze....I've lost track. Most don't seem realistic at all because they don't really account for what other teams would want
 
Shorter contracts would acccount for something, if only this free agent summer would be good....
 
Scalma said:
So it seems like the Hood DPE doesn’t actually equal an extra roster spot. Blazers only have one spot open.
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Officially yes, but Portland is eligible to have a 16-man roster right now. When a team has 4 or more players that are out for 4+ games, a team can temporarily add a 16th man.
 
hoopsjock said:
Okay, fair enough. I do feel like that is just focusing on a small part of my plan while brushing off getting assets and getting completely out of a huge tax payment this season though.
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You're talking about the trade you suggested where Portland would get Batum & Willy & 2-2nds?

Getting out of the tax this year would be a major +.
Willy Hernangómez is an asset... but a minor one. Maybe worth an early 2nd.
2-2nds are minor assets too.

Batum is NOT an asset. He's a HUGE liability with that contract and his performance over the last 2+ years.

Best case, one could argue that the trade would be a net neutral trade.


I'm not against trading Whiteside & Baze for contracts that extend into next year, but if Portland does do it - they need to be <$15m in salary.
 
The reason why I go back and forth with Gordon is because to me he does a lot of the things Aminu did, but is younger, a better overall shooter and a better playmaker. The contract isn’t ideal, but it does depreciate and I don’t see Portland being a player on the market anyway. If he could be had for an expiring and a lottery protected first, I would at least consider it.
 
perkinsfor3 said:
Not sure if Boston is interested in trading Hayward or getting Whiteside. They're big on cultural fit, and I'm not sure if Hassan fits theirs.

- Andre Drummond -- 28 mil
- Otto Porter -- 27 mil
- Aaron Gordon -- 20 mil
- Gorgui Dieng -- 16 mil
- James Johnson- 15 mil
- Bobby Portis -- 15 mil; team option for the summer.
- Thad Young -- 13 mil
- Robert Covington - 11 mil

Are probably all available. I like the bolded ones as good fits. Would you do a Cov/Dieng for Little/Mario/Baze deal?

You could then decide to flip Whiteside for something else (preferably something which is a good fit with Nurk coming back - Drummond wouldnt be a fit - you'd have Nurk, Drummond and Dieng all tied to stricktly C, with little ability to stretch the floor). Ariza + Dedmon, for example, could work. Ariza is an expirer, Dedmon expires in a year from now, so that's a movable contract next year too.


Dame / Ant
CJ / Trent
Covington / Ariza
Melo / Skal / Tolliver / (Collins)
Dieng / Dedmon / (Nurk)


This allows you to mix & match CJ/Dame/Ant, while also keeping flexibility to play one or two of them with one or two good defenders in Cov and Ariza on the wing.
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since KAT has been out Dieng has been shooting 46.5% from 3p range on 1.9 makes/4.1 attempts per game/14 games
dieng over that same 14 game stretch/25 minutes/gm 12.5 pts. 8.7 reb. 1.3 stls. and .9 blks.
their defense has been top 10 league wise during same period.
i think minnesota would want more. our lottery protected first at a minimum IMHO
 
Scalma said:
The reason why I go back and forth with Gordon is because to me he does a lot of the things Aminu did, but is younger, a better overall shooter and a better playmaker. The contract isn’t ideal, but it does depreciate and I don’t see Portland being a player on the market anyway. If he could be had for an expiring and a lottery protected first, I would at least consider it.
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Speaking of Aminu, I would rather trade a 1st for an injured Aminu than for Gordon.
 
tester551 said:
You're talking about the trade you suggested where Portland would get Batum & Willy & 2-2nds?

Getting out of the tax this year would be a major +.
Willy Hernangómez is an asset... but a minor one. Maybe worth an early 2nd.
2-2nds are minor assets too.

Batum is NOT an asset. He's a HUGE liability with that contract and his performance over the last 2+ years.

Best case, one could argue that the trade would be a net neutral trade.


I'm not against trading Whiteside & Baze for contracts that extend into next year, but if Portland does do it - they need to be <$15m in salary.
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Different draft last year obviously but the value of early 2nd round picks was insane, but I never claimed they were major assets. Not once did I claim that Batum himself had anything but negative value other than his contract being useful next year. It may not be but like I said that saves Jody a shit ton of money. Unlike this year's free agency class the 2021 class is looking pretty good and there will be more teams looking for cap space next year. In addition to Batum's contract the Blazers would have a $19+ million TPE. The Blazers could even trade some of those picks for future picks. The more future picks and young players they have the more likely trades become when you have the ability to take on salary or offer a big expiring.

They'd have the assets to offer Batum and a bunch of picks/young players to Minnesota for Dieng and Covington (which I hope is being pursued right now without all this other stuff) or could just take Covington on without giving back salary for pick(s) depending on how high ours ended up.

I'm fine going your route to get contracts that are less next year but I don't think there is a way to do that while reducing the tax by much.

You'd be looking at trades like Whiteside for Cody Zeller, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, and the Cleveland 2nd. I wouldn't like that trade at all but I think it's better than keeping Whiteside on the team past Feb 6th.
 
hoopsjock said:
Different draft last year obviously but the value of early 2nd round picks was insane, but I never claimed they were major assets. Not once did I claim that Batum himself had anything but negative value other than his contract being useful next year. It may not be but like I said that saves Jody a shit ton of money. Unlike this year's free agency class the 2021 class is looking pretty good and there will be more teams looking for cap space next year. In addition to Batum's contract the Blazers would have a $19+ million TPE. The Blazers could even trade some of those picks for future picks. The more future picks and young players they have the more likely trades become when you have the ability to take on salary or offer a big expiring.

They'd have the assets to offer Batum and a bunch of picks/young players to Minnesota for Dieng and Covington (which I hope is being pursued right now without all this other stuff) or could just take Covington on without giving back salary for pick(s) depending on how high ours ended up.

I'm fine going your route to get contracts that are less next year but I don't think there is a way to do that while reducing the tax by much.

You'd be looking at trades like Whiteside for Cody Zeller, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, and the Cleveland 2nd. I wouldn't like that trade at all but I think it's better than keeping Whiteside on the team past Feb 6th.
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That's a pretty expensive second round pick as we take on an extra year salary of $15.4 mil dollars for it as Kidd-Gilchrist is an expiring contract and likely walks. What teams will have 10-15 mil cap space or more next year?
 
CupWizier said:
That's a pretty expensive second round pick as we take on an extra year salary of $15.4 mil dollars for it as Kidd-Gilchrist is an expiring contract and likely walks. What teams will have 10-15 mil cap space or more next year?
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Are you asking what teams will have cap space this summer?
 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bl...a-trade-rumors-hassan-whiteside-kent-bazemore

Marks: ‘It would be difficult for the Blazers to part with Whiteside’

ESPN’s Bobby Marks places the spotlight on Hassan Whiteside and Kent Bazemore in the lead up to the trade deadline.

It would be difficult for the Blazers to part with Whiteside in a trade. He is on a $27.1 million contract, but he’s looking much more like the player who had a career year in 2015-16, making him a reliable insurance policy while Jusuf Nurkic continues his injury rehab. Holding on to Whiteside despite his expiring deal would give Portland the option to sign him as a free agent (he has Bird rights) or use him as an asset in the offseason in a sign-and-trade.

Bazemore has struggled to shoot the ball well in Portland. Could his $19.1 million contract and a lottery-protected first-rounder be enough for a player such as Danilo Gallinari? Although Carmelo Anthony has filled in admirably at power forward, Gallinari would give Portland even more options. He would also come with Bird rights in the offseason.
 
BigGameDamian said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bl...a-trade-rumors-hassan-whiteside-kent-bazemore

Marks: ‘It would be difficult for the Blazers to part with Whiteside’

ESPN’s Bobby Marks places the spotlight on Hassan Whiteside and Kent Bazemore in the lead up to the trade deadline.

It would be difficult for the Blazers to part with Whiteside in a trade. He is on a $27.1 million contract, but he’s looking much more like the player who had a career year in 2015-16, making him a reliable insurance policy while Jusuf Nurkic continues his injury rehab. Holding on to Whiteside despite his expiring deal would give Portland the option to sign him as a free agent (he has Bird rights) or use him as an asset in the offseason in a sign-and-trade.

Bazemore has struggled to shoot the ball well in Portland. Could his $19.1 million contract and a lottery-protected first-rounder be enough for a player such as Danilo Gallinari? Although Carmelo Anthony has filled in admirably at power forward, Gallinari would give Portland even more options. He would also come with Bird rights in the offseason.
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Reasonable take!
 
Hoopguru said:
Is it possible Love could end up here if they sweeten the pot?

Love certainly could help the Blazers, or Pacers, or Rockets. But that contract is hard to match up in a way that makes sense for Cleveland, which understandably is asking for a lot in return. “I don’t think Kevin has a lot of value,” a Western Conference executive said Monday. “The contract is obvious, but you know he is going to miss games with the toll on his body… I don’t see teams taking Kevin on (without) at least taking back a first-round draft pick or multiple seconds.”

– via David Aldridge @ The Athletic
Top Rumors, Trade, Kevin Love, Cleveland Cavaliers
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What is wrong with the Cavs? In our mock draft this summer, as Cleveland's GM, I traded Love for a first round pick, Derrick Favors (who I turned into another first round pick) and also two young guys, Tony Bradley and Nwaba. :)
 
BigGameDamian said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bl...a-trade-rumors-hassan-whiteside-kent-bazemore

Marks: ‘It would be difficult for the Blazers to part with Whiteside’

ESPN’s Bobby Marks places the spotlight on Hassan Whiteside and Kent Bazemore in the lead up to the trade deadline.

It would be difficult for the Blazers to part with Whiteside in a trade. He is on a $27.1 million contract, but he’s looking much more like the player who had a career year in 2015-16, making him a reliable insurance policy while Jusuf Nurkic continues his injury rehab. Holding on to Whiteside despite his expiring deal would give Portland the option to sign him as a free agent (he has Bird rights) or use him as an asset in the offseason in a sign-and-trade.

Bazemore has struggled to shoot the ball well in Portland. Could his $19.1 million contract and a lottery-protected first-rounder be enough for a player such as Danilo Gallinari? Although Carmelo Anthony has filled in admirably at power forward, Gallinari would give Portland even more options. He would also come with Bird rights in the offseason.
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Zero chance Thunder trade Gallinari for a scrub like Bazemore... they are solidly in the 7th seed for playoffs.
 
Aaron Gordon is basically the PF version of Bazemore who is good in the dunk contest.
 
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