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Three way deal where we absorb Poirier ok thanks.
 
Reep said:
I won't insult you by asking if you watch games, but I am tempted.
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You ever heard of "jumping"?
 
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illmatic99 said:
I wonder if Boogie could be a FA target for us next year. He'd probably be available for peanuts and he wouldn't cry about a backup role given his situation.

Think I'd take him for the minimum over whatever Whiteside would warrant in FA.
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I rather pay Whiteside 10m than give Boogie 2mil if it means Whiteside actually plays
 
BonesJones said:
You ever heard of "jumping"?
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It took you a whole day to come up with that? I've heard of jumping, has CJ?

You seriously with a strait face can say that having a 6'3" shooting guard, with below average hops, and an average at best wing span, is not a detriment on defense?
 
Reep said:
It took you a whole day to come up with that? I've heard of jumping, has CJ?

You seriously with a strait face can say that having a 6'3" shooting guard, with below average hops, and an average at best wing span, is not a detriment on defense?
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To be fair to McCollum, he’s improved defensively this season, at least according to RPM. It’s hard to quantify defense and DRPM has flaws, but last year he had one of the worst DRPMs among shooting guards, ranking in the 60s. This year he’s ranked 20th, not great but not a liability either. Simons by comparison is ranked 127th (out of 129)
 
Reep said:
It took you a whole day to come up with that? I've heard of jumping, has CJ?

You seriously with a strait face can say that having a 6'3" shooting guard, with below average hops, and an average at best wing span, is not a detriment on defense?
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Its not as detimental as people make it out to be. Wouldnt make a difference if he was 6'5 in your picture instead of 6'3.
 
Scalma said:
To be fair to McCollum, he’s improved defensively this season, at least according to RPM. It’s hard to quantify defense and DRPM has flaws, but last year he had one of the worst DRPMs among shooting guards, ranking in the 60s. This year he’s ranked 20th, not great but not a liability either. Simons by comparison is ranked 127th (out of 129)
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I'm pretty skeptical about those DRPM numbers for CJ. Somebody who has been a minus defender for 4 years suddenly becoming a plus defender seems more like there's noise in the numbers. CJ being +1.22 while Lillard is -1.20 looks pretty questionable as well. The opponent on/off shows that Dame's defensive on/off is 2 points better while CJ's is 0.7 points better.

other team numbers also don't support the idea that CJ is suddenly a + defender. Portland's defensive rating is 113.2. But both Dame and CJ have defensive ratings of 116; that's 2.8 points worse than the team and considering the minutes CJ plays, if he was actually a plus defender his rating wouldn't be that bad. CJ is also close to the bottom of the team in DBPM at -2.0. Again, that doesn't square with his DRPM number

CJ's not a better defender than Jrue Holiday, or Khris Middleton, or Paul George, or Mo Harkless, or Avery Bradley, or Kyle Lowry, or Eric Bledsoe, or Ben Simmons, but his DRPM says he is...hmmmm
 
On the one hand, I think some Portland fans are underestimating his contribution. OTOH, the last time he was in a contract season he played well enough to get a monster deal - then left everyone in Miami seriously disappointed![/QUOTE]

Nobody is suggesting that he gets a monster deal.
 
Hoopguru said:
Dame wouldn't let him do that unless CJ wanted a change of scenery.
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Maybe Dame's the one that's content with being mediocre then. It's always around trade deadline you hear Dame say something like " The team doesn't have to make big trades to keep me around."
 
Reep said:
I won't insult you by asking if you watch games, but I am tempted.
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Yup, that's the "defense" I'm thinking of.

Although it doesn't guarantee anything, it can really help to be taller. I remember when we played Kobe and the Lakers, Kobe would back down Wesley Matthews (who was regarded as a good defender) pushing him closer to the hoop and turn around and shoot right over him.
Then the Blazers switched Nicolas Batum onto Kobe, and Kobe quit taking that shot altogether.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Maybe Dame's the one that's content with being mediocre then. It's always around trade deadline you hear Dame say something like " The team doesn't have to make big trades to keep me around."
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He didn't they they couldn't either.
 
RipCityWarrior said:
If I were Olshey this would be a deal I would try and get over on good ole New York View attachment 29775
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I'd rather have Trent than any of the 3 players we'd be getting back from NY.

I'd mayyyyyybe consider this if Hezonja was included and the Blazers ducked the luxury tax. I'd try to flip all 3 players to other teams though for pieces that fit better.
 
hoopsjock said:
I'd rather have Trent than any of the 3 players we'd be getting back from NY.

I'd mayyyyyybe consider this if Hezonja was included and the Blazers ducked the luxury tax. I'd try to flip all 3 players to other teams though for pieces that fit better.
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Not high on Knox; would much rather have Frank. DSJ and Portis would be decent pickups though. Definitely not interested in offloading Trent.

All that said, I don't see why NY would want Whiteside.
 
Good points, my inclusion of Whiteside was primarily as an asset accumulation tool with the thought that NY would like to save on payroll and would see Trent as a value piece in return.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
https://tradenba.com/trades/-NCH2FXme

Blazers - Ben Simmons, Al Horford, Taj Gibson

76ers - CJ McCollum, Marcus Morris, picks

Knicks - Hassan Whiteside
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I actually don't think Simmons fits too well next to Dame. Simmons has a lot of value I just think he'd be better somewhere else and we better not be the team giving the Sixers picks in this trade. All of that said, I've been in the trade CJ camp for a while now, just not for another guard who needs the ball in his hands to be effective on offense.
 
blazerkor said:
I actually don't think Simmons fits too well next to Dame. Simmons has a lot of value I just think he'd be better somewhere else and we better not be the team giving the Sixers picks in this trade. All of that said, I've been in the trade CJ camp for a while now, just not for another guard who needs the ball in his hands to be effective on offense.
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I'm not in the trade CJ camp.

But if you can get a young all star I would.

Simmons fits great next to Dame. Dame can space the floor when Simmon's has the ball. If Dame is trapped with the ball Simmons can create as Draymond did with Steph. Ariza, Simons, and Collins would be great too with this lineup as well as Hotford.

Now Nurkic I'm not sure complements Simmons but I make this trade and worry about that if it becomes an issue next year.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
I'm not in the trade CJ camp.

But if you can get a young all star I would.

Simmons fits great next to Dame. Dame can space the floor when Simmon's has the ball. If Dame is trapped with the ball Simmons can create as Draymond did with Steph. Ariza, Simons, and Collins would be great too with this lineup as well as Hotford.

Now Nurkic I'm not sure complements Simmons but I make this trade and worry about that if it becomes an issue next year.
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Simmons has no ability to shoot 3-pointers. He is better compared only to himself rather than to Draymond Green. Green has 2,083 3-point attempts in his career. That averages to 260 per season over his 8 seasons (including playoffs).
Simmons has a total of 24 three-point attempts in his 3-year career. That's 8 attempts per season including the playoffs, where he has 1 total in 22 playoff games.
 
Unrealistic, I'm sure--but who says no to a deal constructed thusly (besides Neil)?

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Dallas gets two starters to make a run this season.
Portland ducks the tax and has a couple expiring deals for next season.
Wolves get the backcourt running mate for KAT they've been seeking for a while
GSW saves a ton and gets a promising rookie.
 
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