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What to do with Olshey?

  • Keep Him

    Votes: 23 23.0%

  • I don't know/On the fence

    Votes: 20 20.0%

  • Fire Him

    Votes: 57 57.0%
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OneLifeToLive said:
It was 25 years in that the owner and team decided that the Memorial Coliseum was out of date and it was time to upgrade. Were hitting that mark with the Moda Center. At what point does he get that itch that he needs a new venue and an upgrade? And will it be here or will it be built elsewhere?
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This isn't remotely close to the same thing that happened in Seattle. The NBA wouldn't let this team move. It's not even a discussion.
 
BonesJones said:
Then he should've targeted who was available, like Hernangomez. Layman and two 2md round picks is equivalent to Johnny O'Bryant and two 2nd round picks. That's what Hernangomez got traded for. And we wouldn't have been in the luxury tax with that deal, so yes, he couldve done something else. He just wants you to believe he couldnt.
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That trade would NOT have gotten us under the luxury tax so I don't know what you are saying. Unless you mean in addition to the Vonleh trade nut that wasn't very clear.

Your minutes breakdown with Hernangomez was atrocious too. It would never play out like that.
 
hoopsjock said:
That trade would NOT have gotten us under the luxury tax so I don't know what you are saying. Unless you mean in addition to the Vonleh trade nut that wasn't very clear.

Your minutes breakdown with Hernangomez was atrocious too. It would never play out like that.
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After the Vonleh trade it would keep us below.

And yeah I forgot about Napier. In that case I'd just bench Turner.
 
Schilly said:
Hernangomez has played 9mpg in a total of 20 games for a bad team. He wouldn’t sniff the floor here.
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Look at his per 36 stats. He wasn't playing because they have two very good centers in Kanter and KOQ there. Nurkic would've possibly not seen more than 10mpg there. Hell, Nurk wasn't playing when we got him.
 
OneLifeToLive said:
When asking this question...you need to ask how much responsibility does the owner share in what or what is not going on. Is Neil working under a model that they both collaboratively put together 6 years ago? Is it a model that was used in the early to mid 80's that eventually led to a championship caliber team in the earlier 90's? Putting together a collection of talent and if you give them enough time together will eventually lead to great things? Are they working under a model that will lead to the deterioration of fan interest and support that will eventually allow Paul to pick up and move this team to Seattle? I've quit watching the team and now there are many other long time fans that have as well. I have no interest watching the team do the same thing year after year. Good enough to make the playoffs and enough to be bounced out in the first round.

Neil Olshey if you dissect what he has done is terrible. I don't know how you can be as bad as he has been and keep your job unless it's a specific model that he and Paul have put together and are being very disciplined in sticking to it. He has been incompetent in every since of the job description. Even as a talent evaluator he is way overrstated in this forum. You all way, WAY over hype Zach Collins and I am not seeing the same thing you all are seeing in the kid.

In the end, I've never seen anyone waste away more resources than Neil. He has shown very little creativity when working drafts, putting together deals, working free agency etc. He doesn't buy into this town. Tell me, how can he sell this landscape when he doesn't buy into it himself? He has more excuses for not doing something. To me...I don't think he is competent enough. Either that or it's what I said above. He is working under a very strict and disciplined model put together by he and the owner.
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Posts like this piss me off. It's one thing to want a different direction or to question moves/non moves but to say he is incompetent in every "since" of the job description is laughable. He has had success here, more than any GM since Trader Bob. This is the first year the Wolves will have made the playoffs since 2004. I just don't get how this team is in the playoff picture in a loaded conference when people like you say he literally has done nothing right.

Get a grip people.
 
BonesJones said:
After the Vonleh trade it would keep us below.

And yeah I forgot about Napier. In that case I'd just bench Turner.
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I'm referring to your big rotation. It's so bad that it kind if refutes anything good you say.
 
hoopsjock said:
Posts like this piss me off. It's one thing to want a different direction or to question moves/non moves but to say he is incompetent in every "since" of the job description is laughable. He has had success here, more than any GM since Trader Bob. This is the first year the Wolves will have made the playoffs since 2004. I just don't get how this team is in the playoff picture in a loaded conference when people like you say he literally has done nothing right.

Get a grip people.
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We're a .500 team, with a loaded backcourt of Dame and CJ who he's had since they were very young in 2013. How is he not failing?
 
BonesJones said:
How the fuck is it bad?
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I'd probably argue that Davis playing PF (which Stotts doesn't have him do) and Aminu playing SF (even less likely than Davis at PF) make it questionable at best.
 
Hoopsjock is right on, imo!
Whiners never see or appreciate decent work.....
 
BonesJones said:
How the fuck is it bad?
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Because you didn't fucking trade Davis and brought in a new center who may not even be as good as Davis has been this year and who sucks balls defensively. On top of that you would play Davis at PF, which would be a fucking disaster. Then the one guy we need to force minutes to is Collins and because if these stupid rotations he wouldn't have a path to more playing time as he got better.
 
hoopsjock said:
Because you didn't fucking trade Davis and brought in a new center who may not even be as good as Davis has been this year and who sucks balls defensively. On top of that you would play Davis at PF, which would be a fucking disaster. Then the one guy we need to force minutes to is Collins and because if these stupid rotations he wouldn't have a path to more playing time as he got better.
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Epic bro:

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BonesJones said:
We're a .500 team, with a loaded backcourt of Dame and CJ who he's had since they were very young in 2013. How is he not failing?
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It takes time to fucking build a team properly. Sure, he made some bad mistakes along the way but despite that this team is still improving and has young bigs that will only get better. It's clear he was told to get under the tax this year. Yes, that fucking sucks as a fan but there are basketball advantages to it. If he fails to make a move this summer when the moves will be about on the court not off the court then I will be right there with you saying he needs to go the fuck away. You can't just completely discredit him because you think we are stuck.
 
The Leonard/Turner/Crabbe contracts probably are fire-able offenses in the aggregate. But he's got a lot of positives that are easy to overlook.

The jury is still out on Nurkic and Collins, but both will at least be at least serviceable bigs long after Plumlee is out of the league.

He gave up on Wil Barton too soon, but he was the guy who also sniffed him out at 40th pick. He also found Connaughton at 41, and got Napier and Harkless off the scrapheap for nothing. And he's the reason we have Dame, CJ, Ed Davis, Collins, Nurk and Aminu.

Aldridge left us for nothing 3 years ago, along with Matthews having his ankle blow out. Lopez looking at a ridiculous salary rise that we didn't want to pay during a rebuild, so we had to let him go. So we had to watch a pretty major exodus of talent that couldn't yield us anything. Yet despite all that, we never missed the playoffs.

Looking back at the futility of the early 2000's, I gotta say this rebuild isn't looking nearly so painful. A lot of that is because of Lillard, but I have to say Olshey has been pretty solid too.
 
BonesJones said:
We're a .500 team, with a loaded backcourt of Dame and CJ who he's had since they were very young in 2013. How is he not failing?
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By the way, their record is 30-25, that doesn't equal .500.
 
mook said:
The Leonard/Turner/Crabbe contracts probably are fire-able offenses in the aggregate. But he's got a lot of positives that are easy to overlook.

The jury is still out on Nurkic and Collins, but both will at least be at least serviceable bigs long after Plumlee is out of the league.

He gave up on Wil Barton too soon, but he was the guy who also sniffed him out at 40th pick. He also found Connaughton at 41, and got Napier and Harkless off the scrapheap for nothing. And he's the reason we have Dame, CJ, Ed Davis, Collins, Nurk and Aminu.

Aldridge left us for nothing 3 years ago, along with Matthews having his ankle blow out. Lopez looking at a ridiculous salary rise that we didn't want to pay during a rebuild, so we had to let him go. So we had to watch a pretty major exodus of talent that couldn't yield us anything. Yet despite all that, we never missed the playoffs.

Looking back at the futility of the early 2000's, I gotta say this rebuild isn't looking nearly so painful. A lot of that is because of Lillard, but I have to say Olshey has been pretty solid too.
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right on Mook....2/1/2 years into a 5 year plan and I think we are tracking pretty well.
Where have the Knicks, Lakers, Sixers been the last 5 years?
 
mook said:
The Leonard/Turner/Crabbe contracts probably are fire-able offenses in the aggregate. But he's got a lot of positives that are easy to overlook.

The jury is still out on Nurkic and Collins, but both will at least be at least serviceable bigs long after Plumlee is out of the league.

He gave up on Wil Barton too soon, but he was the guy who also sniffed him out at 40th pick. He also found Connaughton at 41, and got Napier and Harkless off the scrapheap for nothing. And he's the reason we have Dame, CJ, Ed Davis, Collins, Nurk and Aminu.

Aldridge left us for nothing 3 years ago, along with Matthews having his ankle blow out. Lopez looking at a ridiculous salary rise that we didn't want to pay during a rebuild, so we had to let him go. So we had to watch a pretty major exodus of talent that couldn't yield us anything. Yet despite all that, we never missed the playoffs.

Looking back at the futility of the early 2000's, I gotta say this rebuild isn't looking nearly so painful. A lot of that is because of Lillard, but I have to say Olshey has been pretty solid too.
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Exactly this. However, I would add that pretty much all of the GMs who had cap space in 2016 screwed signed bloated contracts, and are paying for it now. It was a "now or never" year for blazers cap space, and it was the worst time, maybe in the history of the league, to have said cap space.

It's apparently fashionable to blame Neil right now, not that he deserves zero blame or anything. I blame the players. The players weren't "assets" because they didn't get better.
Vonleh's job was to get better... he sucks.
Bieb's job was to get better... he sucks.
Crabbe's job was to get better... he sucks.
Jake's job was to get better... he sucks.
Harkless's job was to get better... he's mediocre.
Aminu's job was to get better... he's mediocre.
The De-Beastization of Nurk this season is well documented (if he played like the last half of last season, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now).

I don't think Neil's the problem, I think Neil being proud of our so-called "Player Development" is annoying, because obviously it's very hit and miss.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
It's apparently fashionable to blame Neil right now, not that he deserves zero blame or anything. I blame the players. The players weren't "assets" because they didn't get better.
Vonleh's job was to get better... he sucks.
Bieb's job was to get better... he sucks.
Crabbe's job was to get better... he sucks.
Jake's job was to get better... he sucks.
Harkless's job was to get better... he's mediocre.
Aminu's job was to get better... he's mediocre.
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I don't think Neil's the problem
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Alternate perspective:

Neil traded for Vonleh
Neil drafted Meyers
Neil drafted Crabbe
Neil drafted Jake
Neil traded for Harkless
Neil both drafted (in LA) and signed Aminu

Old management axiom--if you ever have to fire someone, either the wrong person was hired, or the right person was improperly developed. So unless you're blaming the coaching staff for not developing these guys into the players we needed them to be, then you have to put responsibility on the guy who acquired them.
 
yuyuza1 said:
There are at least 5 players I would rather have than Zach Collins. Not sure he's such a great drafter if you remove Dame/CJ/Deandre.

He's the guy who picked Aminu with the 8th pick when Gordon Hayward went 9th, and Paul George went 10th. Why is that not part of his drafting legacy when we laud praises for Dame/CJ?
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Of the available targets:

Only Donovan Mitchell sticks out.

EVERYONE missed on Kuzma. He was NOT spectacular in college.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Alternate perspective:

Neil traded for Vonleh
Neil drafted Meyers
Neil drafted Crabbe
Neil drafted Jake
Neil traded for Harkless
Neil both drafted (in LA) and signed Aminu

Old management axiom--if you ever have to fire someone, either the wrong person was hired, or the right person was improperly developed. So unless you're blaming the coaching staff for not developing these guys into the players we needed them to be, then you have to put responsibility on the guy who acquired them.
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I am in fact blaming the players AND the coaching staff.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Exactly this. However, I would add that pretty much all of the GMs who had cap space in 2016 screwed signed bloated contracts, and are paying for it now. It was a "now or never" year for blazers cap space, and it was the worst time, maybe in the history of the league, to have said cap space.

It's apparently fashionable to blame Neil right now, not that he deserves zero blame or anything. I blame the players. The players weren't "assets" because they didn't get better.
Vonleh's job was to get better... he sucks.
Bieb's job was to get better... he sucks.
Crabbe's job was to get better... he sucks.
Jake's job was to get better... he sucks.
Harkless's job was to get better... he's mediocre.
Aminu's job was to get better... he's mediocre.
The De-Beastization of Nurk this season is well documented (if he played like the last half of last season, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now).

I don't think Neil's the problem, I think Neil being proud of our so-called "Player Development" is annoying, because obviously it's very hit and miss.
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Wish I could like this more than once.
 
Can we all agree at least we aren't the Kings? They are waiving Papagiannis less than two years after wasting a lottery pick on him. Now that is an utter failure!
 
yuyuza1 said:
Mitchell, John Collins, Jarrett Allen, Anunoby, Kuzma, etc all have looked better. Collins has shown flashes, but not enough to say he was unquestionably the right pick.
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Agreed that Collins needs to become better.
But, Collins WILL become better, and indeed will be a 2-way player.
Collins responsibility is to blend in with teammates on a playoff team.
These other guys, not so much.
Regardless, I really like some of those guys.
 
No GM in the history of GMs "wants to get under the luxury tax" as a career goal. Its something that he's told to do. We all know Neil makes some decisions, and some are made for him. All Neil wants to do is win not save money. He also has to do both.
 
hoopsjock said:
By the way, their record is 30-25, that doesn't equal .500.
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We're 5 games above .500 du3 too our soft early season schedule and the luck we've had with other teams having top players injured. We've preformed at a .500 level.
 
hoopsjock said:
Because you didn't fucking trade Davis and brought in a new center who may not even be as good as Davis has been this year and who sucks balls defensively. On top of that you would play Davis at PF, which would be a fucking disaster. Then the one guy we need to force minutes to is Collins and because if these stupid rotations he wouldn't have a path to more playing time as he got better.
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Davis has played more PF in his career than C, so what the fuck are you talking about. Ideally, in the off-season you get rid of Aminu for assets, Davis if he gets too expensive, or Turner and play Aminu almost strictly at SF. That saves at least $6M plus.
 
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