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What to do with Olshey?

  • Keep Him

    Votes: 23 23.0%

  • I don't know/On the fence

    Votes: 20 20.0%

  • Fire Him

    Votes: 57 57.0%
  • Total voters
    100
CupWizier said:
HermanGomez averages 9mpg for a team that is 10 games under .500. If he couldn't get time in New York, why would he get time here?
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Hey Cuppy good to see ya here, hope all is well. What's funny (I think) is I forget my old O-live handle!:confused: Hah, just remembered - "Surge"
 
Propagandist said:
We offered Parsons a max deal, and he turned it down to play for the same amount in Memphis. He was our top free agent target.
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The media ran that story but Olshey said it wasn't like that after the ET signing....we met with his agent...I'm looking for that interview...Dallas offered him a deal
 
Propagandist said:
We offered Parsons a max deal, and he turned it down to play for the same amount in Memphis. He was our top free agent target.
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That was "reported"...they had a meeting in LA...Parsons headed for Memphis ...Olshey said it was a due diligence meeting but ET was their plan A all along..Dallas media was in the mix at the same time...my take was the meeting didn't thrill anyone involved...several articles pumped up the narrative though
 
riverman said:
That was "reported"...they had a meeting in LA...Parsons headed for Memphis ...Olshey said it was a due diligence meeting but ET was their plan A all along..Dallas media was in the mix at the same time...my take was the meeting didn't thrill anyone involved...several articles pumped up the narrative though
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Huh. That's what i get for using Oregonlive as my source.
 
My point was why can’t Paul Allen outbid one of the 5 teams with the best general managers and get one of them here? It can’t be about money, I wonder if Paul just has his fingers in the cake too much and would rather have a puppet.
 
BonesJones said:
I feel like he'll be back too but he and Hernangomez can play together. We'll have the taxpayer MLE next year so yeah, we could find someone for ~$5M, I just don't think we can pay Davis a ton because of our financial situation and if he gets offered a better contract from elsewhere, I don't know if he'll stay here.

But Hernangomez is better than Davis. This dude is straight up legit. I'm all about trading for guys the other team undervalues, because hypothetically, if you make enough trades for players that our better than the package you're sending out, you can turn a 2nd round pick into a legit starter. (ex. We traded a heavily protected 2nd for Bazz and Moe, you could potentially trade those for a good starter who's undervalued by his team, get that guy performing up to his capabilities [think someone like Tobias Harris this year], and then flip him for a star [Blake Griffin]).

We have to increase our asset level. Hernangomez would've done that. I'm sure that there's others that would've done that that might not have been as good but would've fit better with our rotation.
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Hernangomez didn't play for a bad team AND was given away for a couple 2nd rounders. Don't you think it's possible he just isn't that good? He didn't get playing time because of his bad defense but you are trying to claim he is a good defender. You are also basing per-36 stats off of garbage time stat stuffing on a bad team.
 
Propagandist said:
I was reflecting while reading through these posts that Olshey has actually gotten really lucky on his misses. Guys he's gone after oftentimes are actual garbage: Parsons, ET, Hibbert, Enis Kanter (relative to his contract and he's having an alright year in NY), freaking Greg Monroe, Afflalo...the list goes on. We'd be hating life if he'd been more "successful." I mean, if Olshey hadn't drafted Damian Lillard, he'd have been fired already. Dame is his one gem and has buoyed Olshey along (I know CJ is good, but if just CJ Olshey is fired, and if just Dame he's probably still got a job).
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Props, we've had this conversation many times but how do you know that all of those misses were completely legit?

1) You never know how people would play in a different system (for example Robin Lopez).

2) You don't know if some of that interest were favors to agents or to screw over other teams or some other reason.

3) I don't believe that meeting with a player always means that we are for sure offering that player a max contract or whatever. In a meeting sometimes you can determine if that person is a good fit personality wise not just basketball wise.

One thing I think of when we talk about this is the Paul George situation. Paul George's agent is Aaron Mintz. Do you know who else has the same agent? Allen Crabbe, Meyers Leonard, and Ed Davis. Olshey's previous dealings with Mintz could lead to a strong indication on whether or not PG would be willing to consider staying past this season if traded for.

Now I'm not saying that most of those guys weren't legit targets I just think it's really stupid to keep rehashing things that didn't even happen. Signing any one of those guys completely changes the course from that moment on. For example, if OKC didn't match on Kanter we wouldn't have money for Turner and so on.
 
CupWizier said:
HermanGomez averages 9mpg for a team that is 10 games under .500. If he couldn't get time in New York, why would he get time here?
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Because NYK has two very, very good centers I Manger and KOQ, and had their sights set on a playoff spot up until recently. Hernangomez's production isn't why he wasn't playing much, and his production has been constant across 1500+ career minutes.
 
riverman said:
That was "reported"...they had a meeting in LA...Parsons headed for Memphis ...Olshey said it was a due diligence meeting but ET was their plan A all along..Dallas media was in the mix at the same time...my take was the meeting didn't thrill anyone involved...several articles pumped up the narrative though
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If Turner was their plan A he needs to be fired just for that.
 
I looked and looked. You are one devious dude. I couldn't find anything!
 
LayneStaley said:
Are you serious? Because paying players and front offices is no where close to the same! The pay scale for an nba gm is between 1-3mil per year, that’s right the top ones make 3 mil per year, triple that for the best and see if their current team matches to keep them, I doubt it. As far as coming here, money talks, ask Evan Turner. The difference between parsons and an elite gm coming here would be that there were other teams offering Parsons a max, if you triple the going rate for an elite gm I doubt anyone else beats your offer.

For the record my solution in both my replies were to overpay for a top 5 gm, significantly overpay if you have to.
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Yes Inc serious.
What makes you think money Will get them here? You don’t think they want to be part of s winning situation like he players???

No amount of money will allow them to sign free agents.
Do the Math.

As far as money Evan, he didn’t talk. He got no offers anywhere else.

Okay so you think ainge just ups and pulls from Boston if we offer him three times his salary???

I highly doubt it.
 
Blazinaway said:
Hey Cuppy good to see ya here, hope all is well. What's funny (I think) is I forget my old O-live handle!:confused: Hah, just remembered - "Surge"
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Hey Surge, Long time no talk to. How are things in Bend? Oregon Live finally shut down their forums so migrated back over to here. Sly guaranteed the same pay I was making at Olive, lol.
 
CupWizier said:
Hey Surge, Long time no talk to. How are things in Bend? Oregon Live finally shut down their forums so migrated back over to here. Sly guaranteed the same pay I was making at Olive, lol.
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WTF?? The only pay I get from that mutt is paybacks for being a forum smartass... and those paybacks...Im still paying him back!
 
Natebishop3 said:
Here's the problem.... I don't think it's entirely on Olshey. I think it's a combination of Paul and whoever he has as GM.

What makes you think that the next guy he hires is going to be any better than Neil or Cho or Patterson or Nash or KP?
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I look around the league and see NO as one of the top 5 or 6 GMs, period. The problem is you get rid of him, you have a slim chance of getting someone any better.

No GM is perfect in their drafting ability. Yet we have one of the better backcourt combos in the league. The bigs he's drafted are all 3pt shooters. His 2nd round picks, Crabbe and Connaughton both turned into NBA regular rotation players.

The Nurkic trade was brilliant. He turned mediocrity at the C position into a 23 year old (with a future) who's getting us 14.3 PPG and 8.2 rebounds in ~27 minutes.

NO has made big offers to the top FAs, but they won't come here. That's something any GM here is going to have to deal with.

Signing ET was one of the only ways to get an FA to come here. Target someone just under the top tier and go get him while the other teams pick over the top tier guys.

Judging talent is only half the game as GM these days. The other half is figuring out the puzzle that is a roster within the confines of the CBA. At this latter thing, I don't know anyone can do it better. And it's a HUGE deal.

The Blazers have made the playoffs in each of NO's seasons, starting with season 2.

It's season 3 of the rebuild, and we're on pace to have our best record of the 3. Looks like progress and not stagnation or getting worse.

Guys we've traded for haven't looked as good for us as they have for their other teams. Jamal Crawford is the obvious example. Just because you think we'd be better off on paper if we finagled the CBA to get those players instead of the guys we have doesn't mean we're a better team.

We're currently 5th seed, tied with OKC. OKC's big acquisitions of PG and Melo didn't make them a better team than ours. The grass isn't always greener.
 
Denny Crane said:
I look around the league and see NO as one of the top 5 or 6 GMs, period. The problem is you get rid of him, you have a slim chance of getting someone any better.

No GM is perfect in their drafting ability. Yet we have one of the better backcourt combos in the league. The bigs he's drafted are all 3pt shooters. His 2nd round picks, Crabbe and Connaughton both turned into NBA regular rotation players.

The Nurkic trade was brilliant. He turned mediocrity at the C position into a 23 year old (with a future) who's getting us 14.3 PPG and 8.2 rebounds in ~27 minutes.

NO has made big offers to the top FAs, but they won't come here. That's something any GM here is going to have to deal with.

Signing ET was one of the only ways to get an FA to come here. Target someone just under the top tier and go get him while the other teams pick over the top tier guys.

Judging talent is only half the game as GM these days. The other half is figuring out the puzzle that is a roster within the confines of the CBA. At this latter thing, I don't know anyone can do it better. And it's a HUGE deal.

The Blazers have made the playoffs in each of NO's seasons, starting with season 2.

It's season 3 of the rebuild, and we're on pace to have our best record of the 3. Looks like progress and not stagnation or getting worse.

Guys we've traded for haven't looked as good for us as they have for their other teams. Jamal Crawford is the obvious example. Just because you think we'd be better off on paper if we finagled the CBA to get those players instead of the guys we have doesn't mean we're a better team.

We're currently 5th seed, tied with OKC. OKC's big acquisitions of PG and Melo didn't make them a better team than ours. The grass isn't always greener.
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Great post.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Yes Inc serious.
What makes you think money Will get them here? You don’t think they want to be part of s winning situation like he players???

No amount of money will allow them to sign free agents.
Do the Math.

As far as money Evan, he didn’t talk. He got no offers anywhere else.

Okay so you think ainge just ups and pulls from Boston if we offer him three times his salary???

I highly doubt it.
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I believe Evan is on record as saying he couldn’t turn down the MONEY and then backtracked, bottom line we overpaid to get him here.

Yes I do believe a top 5 gm would come here on a 4 year deal if we tripled their pay. Even if they didn’t find success they just made what it would of taken them 12 years to make at their previous job, what human wouldn’t do that, have you ever turned down a 300% raise?They can always return to a better free agent destination in year 5 if they are that unhappy here. Think about it.
 
LayneStaley said:
I believe Evan is on record as saying he couldn’t turn down the MONEY and then backtracked, bottom line we overpaid to get him here.

Yes I do believe a top 5 gm would come here on a 4 year deal if we tripled their pay. Even if they didn’t find success they just made what it would of taken them 12 years to make at their previous job, what human wouldn’t do that, have you ever turned down a 300% raise?They can always return to a better free agent destination in year 5 if they are that unhappy here. Think about it.
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I have thought about it. My opinion is you are wrong. A top five gm would rather spend twelve years with a winning, stable organization at a third of the pay, than to spend it at a destination universally perceived as not able to get free agents and a media that is extremely impatient and critical.

But that’s only my opinion. I could be wrong but I do not think that I am. I believe no is about the best we will get on average and he doesn’t even like it here.
 
Orion Bailey said:
I have thought about it. My opinion is you are wrong. A top five gm would rather spend twelve years with a winning, stable organization at a third of the pay, than to spend it at a destination universally perceived as not able to get free agents and a media that is extremely impatient and critical.

But that’s only my opinion. I could be wrong but I do not think that I am. I believe no is about the best we will get on average and he doesn’t even like it here.
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I believe with most everything you said except that statement. There is always somebody who will do well but has never been given the opportunity. It can be for a number of reasons. You just have to find the right person who's faced adversity and overcome it. There is always a Theo Epstein, a Billy Beane, or an Ozzie Newsome who just need to be given the opportunity to build a franchise. It just takes guts and risk to give them a shot.
 
CupWizier said:
Hey Surge, Long time no talk to. How are things in Bend? Oregon Live finally shut down their forums so migrated back over to here. Sly guaranteed the same pay I was making at Olive, lol.
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musta been dog food from Sly, life is good, retired 3 years ago and have not looked back! Bend is getting too big but I don't won't move so I'll whine instead! Hope things are good on your end
 
LayneStaley said:
I believe Evan is on record as saying he couldn’t turn down the MONEY and then backtracked, bottom line we overpaid to get him here.

Yes I do believe a top 5 gm would come here on a 4 year deal if we tripled their pay. Even if they didn’t find success they just made what it would of taken them 12 years to make at their previous job, what human wouldn’t do that, have you ever turned down a 300% raise?They can always return to a better free agent destination in year 5 if they are that unhappy here. Think about it.
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Did you know that you have to have permission to interview other team's GM's? We'd likely have to surrender draft picks just to get a GM under contract. Allen refused other teams to interview Olshey so why would other teams let you poach their top GM's? Well lets look at your targets and go through it case by case anyway.

Danny Ainge-From Oregon so mayyyyyyyyybe? He's also a beloved Celtic though. His roster is really freaking good, he's got a great coach, and they are completely setup for the future. Why would he want to go somewhere with a bloated payroll and no extra future 1sts?

Bob Meyers-I'm sure he'd want to leave his mega team for a team having to compete with them.

RC Buford-How much of the success has been him and how much of it is Pop? Why would he leave SA? He doesn't strike me as a guy who cares strictly about money.

LeBron James-Still has several years left of playing. I'm sure he'd want an ownership stake. Maybe in about 7-8 years.

Who else would you add to this list? Don't you dare say Daryll Morey.
 
hoopsjock said:
Hernangomez didn't play for a bad team AND was given away for a couple 2nd rounders. Don't you think it's possible he just isn't that good? He didn't get playing time because of his bad defense but you are trying to claim he is a good defender. You are also basing per-36 stats off of garbage time stat stuffing on a bad team.
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I was a couple of pages deep into this thread looking for this response. Thank you...you're earning your keep around here. :)
 
hoopsjock said:
Did you know that you have to have permission to interview other team's GM's? We'd likely have to surrender draft picks just to get a GM under contract. Allen refused other teams to interview Olshey so why would other teams let you poach their top GM's? Well lets look at your targets and go through it case by case anyway.

Danny Ainge-From Oregon so mayyyyyyyyybe? He's also a beloved Celtic though. His roster is really freaking good, he's got a great coach, and they are completely setup for the future. Why would he want to go somewhere with a bloated payroll and no extra future 1sts?

Bob Meyers-I'm sure he'd want to leave his mega team for a team having to compete with them.

RC Buford-How much of the success has been him and how much of it is Pop? Why would he leave SA? He doesn't strike me as a guy who cares strictly about money.

LeBron James-Still has several years left of playing. I'm sure he'd want an ownership stake. Maybe in about 7-8 years.

Who else would you add to this list? Don't you dare say Daryll Morey.
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Myers
Ainge
Buford
Presti
Ujiri
Morey(yep I’d rather have him)

Would rather have any of them...
 
hoopsjock said:
So you just ignore the fact that you wouldn't even get an interview with them?
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First of all you don’t need to interview any of them, they get the job if your able to get one. You could trade a pick for one, one could resign or force their way out which would probably lead to compensation paid to let them out of the remaining years on their contract. If a gm wants to resign though and is willing to pay back money is his current team really gonna want him around and say no? Would you have confidence in a gm you forced to stay and took millions out of his pocket by not letting him go to pdx. These are all hypotheticals but if it was known Allen would triple the salary of one of those guys I wonder what would happen.
 
LayneStaley said:
First of all you don’t need to interview any of them, they get the job if your able to get one. You could trade a pick for one, one could resign or force their way out which would probably lead to compensation paid to let them out of the remaining years on their contract. If a gm wants to resign though and is willing to pay back money is his current team really gonna want him around and say no? Would you have confidence in a gm you forced to stay and took millions out of his pocket by not letting him go to pdx. These are all hypotheticals but if it was known Allen would triple the salary of one of those guys I wonder what would happen.
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Sounds like a great way to hire someone! So if Allen can't talk to a GM he should just release a statement to the media saying he'd pay Ainge $12 million a year if he forces his way out of Boston?

The league would penalize us for tampering and then not allow us to sign him. Good plan! How about coming up with one that isn't completely fucking stupid.
 
hoopsjock said:
Sounds like a great way to hire someone! So if Allen can't talk to a GM he should just release a statement to the media saying he'd pay Ainge $12 million a year if he forces his way out of Boston?

The league would penalize us for tampering and then not allow us to sign him. Good plan! How about coming up with one that isn't completely fucking stupid.
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Lol, calm down, it’s a sports forum. I don’t think a billionaire has to release a public statement to get a message to 5-6 general managers, it would be “fucking stupid” to think that.
 
Gronk Brady said:
What if Dame is the one who wanted to keep roster as is... maybe that’s what he told Paul Allen in meeting... who knows
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"Hey Mr. Allen, I just wanted to have this super-special sit-down with you to ask if you really are committed to winning a championship. Oh by the way, please maintain the status quo and don't trade anybody, 'cause it's working out so well. kthnxbye."

That's basically what you're suggesting. See the problem?
 
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