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SlyPokerDog said:
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Pro Trump Nazis chanting "Jews will not replace us"?
Marjorie Taylor Greene Jewish space lasers?
Holocaust denying Republican candidate for North Carolina governor, whom Trump called better than Martin Luther King?
"Soros backed prosecutors"?
Nazis in Michigan picketing production of Diary of Anne Frank, chanting Hail Hitler, hail Trump?
Nominee for Defense Secretary having Crusader tattoos, symbols of massacres of Jews?
Border nominee regular guest on podcast whose host calls Hitler his hero and says they are fighting for same thing?
 
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PCmor7 said:
I'm big in the market.

The market was doing super under Biden but soared into the atmosphere when Trump won. I believe that was a reflection on investors thinking regulations were going to be relaxed, leaving more money to flow into businesses.

Then Trump started to nominate his cabinet and things began to cool.

Today it took a huge dive. Huge.

Now, it could have been a correction, but I've heard things about concern from people in the market about these nominees and that it apparently means he's serious about everything he said like tariffs.

We're talking inflation growing to six times what it would be under Biden and almost certainly a recession, the one Biden avoided.

The market hates that stuff.

Trump's people hate that stuff.
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I am big into it too. I talked to my dad on election night. He has done amazing on his investments and is retired and nerds out daily on CNBC.

I asked him what will happen. He said there will be a couple day buzz of good numbers purely based on the optimism of it all. Once his tariff propositions get digested it will crumble.

That looks like what’s happening.
 
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MickZagger said:
I am big into it too. I talked to my dad on election night. He has done amazing on his investments and is retired and nerds out daily on CNBC.

I asked him what will happen. He said their will be a couple day buzz of good numbers purely based on the optimism of it all. Once his tariff propositions get digested it will crumble.

That looks like what’s happening.
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Yep.

COVID was just a speed bump to the market. It might actually have helped in the better than expected bounce back because we had to develop things that opened up new sectors.

The only thing that really can slow it down are some pretty specific upheavals. War is one of them ... even in wartime, Ukraine is responsible for 5% of the world's grain supply. Let that war escalate and/or Russia to ravage or take over that territory and it will have an effect on inflation and the market.

The other thing is just putting unstable people in positions where they can impact policy. For instance, a guy who throws around tariffs nonchalantly that it could spark a trade war that would make 2021 inflation look like nothing and wreck our export sectors. Mass departments from a sector of the population that accounts for a quarter of our construction workers would be a big detriment to the housing market that we need to grow right now. That also will play havoc with the supply chain, as if anyone wants to be hearing about that again. Making major changes to our proven and successful immunization policies almost certainly will result in outbreaks of diseases we had virtually eliminated, and that will lead to either massive infections and deaths or mitigation efforts that will decrease buying and the exchange of funds. Having a warhawk who has never served higher than the rank of major in the National Guard and has advocated direct war with Iran is another market-killer, because industry is forced to a war effort and no one has a lot of disposable cash and wants to go out and buy comfort items when they have a child, neighbor, friend or other relative in the line of fire.

Basically, not much could be down to slow down stocks right now, but Trump is checking every single box.
 
And, I don't think putting a lawyer in charge of our health safety departments really is something that's going to instill public confidence.

Our biggest problem with our healthcare, from my observation, is the for-profit nature of it. Now you're telling me that a wealthy lawyer whose interest in the subject sprung out of doing community service and tells people that don't know any better than vaccines we've been using to great effect for more than a half-century are causing autism? Yeah, you'll understand if I don't get too enthused about that being good for the country or on the up and up.
 
Of course, this is brought to you by the same people that tell you we need to save the unborn but then urged our seniors to sacrifice their lives for the good of the economy at the onset of COVID and don't care one bit about gun violence or suicide in our country resulting from feelings of meaninglessness, bullying and just over hopelessness that they can amount to anything here.

How people don't see the hypocrisy and blatant contradictions in American right-wing policy is mind-blowing.
 
BTW, if Trump goes through with mass deportations, anyone that thinks it ends there is fooling themselves. When you don't have real policy, you need shiny objects for your subjects to focus on. MAGA needs enemies. When the Hispanics are dispelled and the women are put back into the kitchen and being LGBTQ is a outlawed but the economy still is struggling, they'll need another "them" to blame it on. You better hope it isn't you.
 
In fact, "Blazer fans" are a pretty unloved group already, it seems like it would be easy to turn the country against us.

barfo
 


He claimed the worm ate his brain in a disposition related to his divorce court proceedings with Mary Richardson Kennedy. He was trying to prove that he was too mentally incapacitated to pay child support.

According to their legal agreement, he was supposed to keep paying for her living expenses and legal fees. He allegedly cut her off completely and did not pay the lawyers.

Mary committed suicide.



 
SlyPokerDog said:


He claimed the worm ate his brain in a disposition related to his divorce court proceedings with Mary Richardson Kennedy. He was trying to prove that he was too mentally incapacitated to pay child support.

According to their legal agreement, he was supposed to keep paying for her living expenses and legal fees. He allegedly cut her off completely and did not pay the lawyers.

Mary committed suicide.



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Sounds like Trump's kind of guy.
 
PCmor7 said:
And, I don't think putting a lawyer in charge of our health safety departments really is something that's going to instill public confidence.

Our biggest problem with our healthcare, from my observation, is the for-profit nature of it. Now you're telling me that a wealthy lawyer whose interest in the subject sprung out of doing community service and tells people that don't know any better than vaccines we've been using to great effect for more than a half-century are causing autism? Yeah, you'll understand if I don't get too enthused about that being good for the country or on the up and up.
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Becerra is a lawyer also. As per Wikipedia.
 
Diphtheria was called the strangler. The unfortunate sufferer slowly turned blue and strangled on thick mucus that clogged the airways. Death was excruciating and slow.

Vaccine had almost made diphtheria obsolete. Until now.

In Spain, the child of antivaxxer parents died of diphtheria. The stricken parents had their surviving child vaccinated.

The future of America.
 
crandc said:
Diphtheria was called the strangler. The unfortunate sufferer slowly turned blue and strangled on thick mucus that clogged the airways. Death was excruciating and slow.

Vaccine had almost made diphtheria obsolete. Until now.

In Spain, the child of antivaxxer parents died of diphtheria. The stricken parents had their surviving child vaccinated.

The future of America.
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Almost, if that were an American antivaxxer couple, they would have blamed the child's death on immigrants and/or the queers and kept on their merry way
 
Expect major assault on First Amendment.
Trump has already filed $10 billion lawsuits against CBS, claiming without evidence Kamala Harris was totally incoherent in 60 Minutes interview and they altered tape to make her sound good.
New York Times spent months breathlessly informing us Biden is old. Months sanewashing Trump's remarks. Not enough. They ran a highly critical article and two Times reporters wrote a book detailing how Trump squandered the fortune he inherited from his father. Trump has filed $10 billion lawsuits against the Times and against the reporters.

Unlikely even this Supreme court will side with him although who knows. But CBS and Times will spend months, possibly years in court dealing with motions, subpoenas for irrelevant material, depositions, appeals, totalling millions of dollars in legal fees. Not a problem for Trump since he doesn't pay his lawyers.

Most news organizations just don't have those deep pockets. They will self censor, avoid printing or airing anything that might upset or embarrass Trump. Fascism doesn't just use force, they use threat of force.

And more enforced Christianity Oklahoma style. Forced Christian prayer and indoctrination in schools, taxpayer funded Christian schools.

Use of force against protesters.

But lots of guns! God bless Second Amendment!
 
crandc said:
Expect major assault on First Amendment.
Trump has already filed $10 billion lawsuits against CBS, claiming without evidence Kamala Harris was totally incoherent in 60 Minutes interview and they altered tape to make her sound good.
New York Times spent months breathlessly informing us Biden is old. Months sanewashing Trump's remarks. Not enough. They ran a highly critical article and two Times reporters wrote a book detailing how Trump squandered the fortune he inherited from his father. Trump has filed $10 billion lawsuits against the Times and against the reporters.

Unlikely even this Supreme court will side with him although who knows. But CBS and Times will spend months, possibly years in court dealing with motions, subpoenas for irrelevant material, depositions, appeals, totalling millions of dollars in legal fees. Not a problem for Trump since he doesn't pay his lawyers.

Most news organizations just don't have those deep pockets. They will self censor, avoid printing or airing anything that might upset or embarrass Trump. Fascism doesn't just use force, they use threat of force.

And more enforced Christianity Oklahoma style. Forced Christian prayer and indoctrination in schools, taxpayer funded Christian schools.

Use of force against protesters.

But lots of guns! God bless Second Amendment!
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I get where you are coming from, but, if this happens, we're veering so far into fascism so quickly that the United States might as well as never have existed.

Media are notoriously difficult to successfully sue, and conglomerates like this already spend a lot of money keeping great firms on retainer.

It's highly doubtful Trump or anyone associated with him even would get beyond the first step in a case like this which is to prove they have standing.

For that to happen, the judges wouldn't just have to be bad, but they'd have to be thoroughly corrupt on a level that I just haven't seen yet.
 
Anyway, the point isn't to tell you you're wrong, it's just this isn't at the top of the list to worry about just yet.
 
I agree successfully suing is unlikely but even unsuccessful suit wll cost media a lot of money and trouble so they might seek to avoid the wrath of Trump.
 
crandc said:
I agree successfully suing is unlikely but even unsuccessful suit wll cost media a lot of money and trouble so they might seek to avoid the wrath of Trump.
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Hopefully the courts see fit to end it quickly and remove the incentive for this kind of action.

Any way they can fine Trump for abusing the litigation system?

The Power of Rule 11 to Punish Bad Faith Litigation Conduct

Freeman Mathis & Gray

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The Power of Rule 11 to Punish Bad Faith Litigation Conduct
1/30/23

under the hammer of the judge banknotes

By: Jessica Kelly and Christina Morgan

Lawyers and their clients are bound by Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 11 and its state rule counterparts not to pursue frivolous claims. In Trump v. Clinton et al., Judge Donald M. Middlebrooks of the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida relied on Rule 11 to impose $937,989.39 in sanctions upon former President Donald Trump and his lead attorney, Alina Habba. In a forty-five-page order, the Court found Mr. Trump and his attorney acted in bad faith in bringing the underlying lawsuit, thereby unlocking the Court’s inherent power to assess attorneys’ fees and costs under Rule 11.

First, the Court found Mr. Trump’s amended complaint to be a “shotgun pleading,” which set forth an excessive number of allegations “replete with conclusory, vague, and immaterial facts not obviously connected to any particular cause of action,” and “multiple claims against multiple defendants without specifying which of the defendants are responsible for which acts or omissions.” The Court noted that it had to sift through the unwieldy allegations “only to find they added up to no cognizable claim.”

Second, the Court found the pleadings contained factual allegations that were knowingly false or made with reckless disregard for the truth. Mr. Trump “cherry-picked portions of public reports and filings” that often “contradicted his allegations,” and this “happened too often to be accidental.” For example, Mr. Trump’s allegation that Special Counsel Robert Mueller exonerated him and his campaign after finding no evidence of collusion with Russia was contradicted by the report itself, which explicitly states the investigation “does not exonerate him.”

Third, the Court found the pleadings contained legal theories that were foreclosed by existing precedent and, therefore, were frivolous. The order identifies multiple examples of legal failings, including claims that were barred by statutes of limitations, the assertion of a malicious prosecution claim when Mr. Trump was never prosecuted, the assertion of personal jurisdiction over the defendants because they “knew that Florida is a state in the United States which was an important one,” the assertion of a trade secret claim in the absence of a trade secret, and the assertion of an obstruction of justice claim not tied to any official proceeding as required by statute.

Finally, the Court emphasized the pattern of litigation abuses committed by Mr. Trump and noted that in the case of a “repeat offender,” the Court can also consider the litigant’s conduct outside of the present dispute. The Court identified four other lawsuits initiated by Mr. Trump targeting the media and his political opponents and noted that Mr. Trump appeared undeterred by the potential consequences of frivolous filings. The Court also noted Mr. Trump’s pattern of accusing courts of bias whenever he suffered a judicial loss.

While Judge Middlebrooks considered the conduct in this case to be particularly egregious, the order serves as a warning against even lesser litigation abuses and emphasizes the importance of crafting and advancing legitimate and well-supported factual narratives and legal arguments in pleadings. Counsel should be wary of excessively long and unfocused pleadings, false or misleading factual assertions, and invalid, as opposed to creative or novel, legal theories. Counsel who adopt an “everything-but-the-kitchen-sink” approach to pleadings likely face the imposition of sanctions and could subject their clients to sanctions as well.
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PCmor7 said:
I get where you are coming from, but, if this happens, we're veering so far into fascism so quickly that the United States might as well as never have existed.

Media are notoriously difficult to successfully sue, and conglomerates like this already spend a lot of money keeping great firms on retainer.

It's highly doubtful Trump or anyone associated with him even would get beyond the first step in a case like this which is to prove they have standing.

For that to happen, the judges wouldn't just have to be bad, but they'd have to be thoroughly corrupt on a level that I just haven't seen yet.
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Cannon on line one.

I know she can't take the case, but there are other cannons out there, I'm assuming.
 
Strenuus said:
Cannon on line one.

I know she can't take the case, but there are other cannons out there, I'm assuming.
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There are, but there also are anti-Cannons out there and there are some judge good judges.
 
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