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[barfo]

Need to get in here and clarify--dude had 2 strokes, not a heart attack. And since he had no physical injuries, it honestly requires a bit of a stretch of the imagination to claim that the riot cause his strokes.

It might not be classified as an injury, but he was pepper-sprayed twice. And stress can cause strokes, and the riot presumably was stressful...
I imagine he was predisposed to strokes, he was only 42 and from the pictures, looked pretty healthy.
So, maybe he would have croaked sometime soon anyway, possibly even that very same day... but then again, maybe he wouldn't have.
They did convict a guy for pepper-spraying him. Not for killing him.
So I'm on the side of 'no officer was killed by the rioters on Jan 6th'.
However, 174 officers were injured. The fact that none of those were "killed to death" doesn't make any of it acceptable.

barfo

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

It might not be classified as an injury, but he was pepper-sprayed twice. And stress can cause strokes, and the riot presumably was stressful...
I imagine he was predisposed to strokes, he was only 42 and from the pictures, looked pretty healthy.
So, maybe he would have croaked sometime soon anyway, possibly even that very same day... but then again, maybe he wouldn't have.
They did convict a guy for pepper-spraying him. Not for killing him.
So I'm on the side of 'no officer was killed by the rioters on Jan 6th'.
However, 174 officers were injured. The fact that none of those were "killed to death" doesn't make any of it acceptable.

barfo

Agree 100%. It was disgusting what happened. But to claim someone was killed is simply a misinterpretation to continue a jaded narrative.
This misrepresentation happens so regularly its crazy to me

 

[Chris Craig]

You sure about that?

https://ktvz.com/news/crime-courts/...rthouse-fence-18-arrested-on-federal-charges/

https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/news/read.cfm?id=251013

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland...ntown-portland-protesters.html?outputType=amp

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rioters-set-fire-federal-courthouse-162333860.html
https://www.newsweek.com/portland-protesters-smash-courthouse-doors-set-fire-us-flag-1575635

https://www.opb.org/news/article/po...-munitions-protest-courthouse/?outputType=amp

https://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/...attempting-set-fire-federal-courthouse-during

Fires were set outside the building but quickly put out. A piece of plywood over the door was lit, but also quickly put out. The building itself was not lit on fire.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Fires were set outside the building but quickly put out. A piece of plywood over the door was lit, but also quickly put out. The building itself was not lit on fire.

Yep. Fires quickly put out by protesters.

 

[jonnyboy]

Agree 100%. It was disgusting what happened. But to claim someone was killed is simply a misinterpretation to continue a jaded narrative.
This misrepresentation happens so regularly its crazy to me

Read the posts on this topic from a couple years back. Just another alternate reality that’s been quietly swept under the rug.
3 people “murdered”, cop getting his head bashed to death with a fire extinguisher, gallows being set up to hang the politicians, etc.
Time and time again in this forum, mainstream narratives get pushed feverishly and people (me) get completely ostracized for suggesting maybe the media is lying. Then the narrative falls apart and the local mob hones in on another corporate mews narrative to ravenously defend and ultimately be completely wrong about.

 

[Chris Craig]

Read the posts on this topic from a couple years back. Just another alternate reality that’s been quietly swept under the rug.
3 people “murdered”, cop getting his head bashed to death with a fire extinguisher, gallows being set up to hang the politicians, etc.
Time and time again in this forum, mainstream narratives get pushed feverishly and people (me) get completely ostracized for suggesting maybe the media is lying. Then the narrative falls apart and the local mob hones in on another corporate mews narrative to ravenously defend and ultimately be completely wrong about.

You are referring to me.

Three cops weren't "murdered" but officers died due to the riot, from a stroke, and from suicide. Civilians died too from getting shot, a heart attack, and an overdose. The two officers hit with the fire extinguisher in the head didn't die, but were injured. I was wrong about about the facts surrounding the cops and I can admit that. I admitted it then. Yes, the media got that wrong. There was a gallow set up for Pence and had they found him, I have no doubt they would have attempted to hang him on it. They were chanting about hanging him and trying to find him.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

They were chanting about hanging him and trying to find him.

Those were the Antifa people disguised as Trump people that were doing that.

 

[barfo]

Agree 100%. It was disgusting what happened.

Ok, so far we are on the same page.

But to claim someone was killed is simply a misinterpretation to continue a jaded narrative.
This misrepresentation happens so regularly its crazy to me

What is this 'jaded narrative' you speak of?
From my point of view, it was basically pure luck that they didn't directly kill any cops.
I don't believe the rioters attacked the police very carefully so as to inflict injury on 174 of them, yet stop short of any deaths.

barfo

 

[Phatguysrule]

Read the posts on this topic from a couple years back. Just another alternate reality that’s been quietly swept under the rug.
3 people “murdered”, cop getting his head bashed to death with a fire extinguisher, gallows being set up to hang the politicians, etc.
Time and time again in this forum, mainstream narratives get pushed feverishly and people (me) get completely ostracized for suggesting maybe the media is lying. Then the narrative falls apart and the local mob hones in on another corporate mews narrative to ravenously defend and ultimately be completely wrong about.

All of the relevant posts from then are still relevant.

 

[Road Ratt]

Critics Warn Manchin-Barrasso Permitting Bill 'Is Taken Straight From Project 2025'

"You thought Project 2025 was just a threat after the election? It's actually happening *right now,*" said one climate campaigner.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/permitting-reform-bill

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Ok, so far we are on the same page.



What is this 'jaded narrative' you speak of?
From my point of view, it was basically pure luck that they didn't directly kill any cops.
I don't believe the rioters attacked the police very carefully so as to inflict injury on 174 of them, yet stop short of any deaths.

barfo

Jaded narrative that many have about all republicans/conservatives.

curious what the details of those injuries are. Have you seen the reports, would they be many of the same type of injuries one might get from attending an overcrowded rock festival and getting sardine canned for two hours?
Or were they hits and kicks to the bodies of the officers?

to me, there is a huge difference.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Read the posts on this topic from a couple years back. Just another alternate reality that’s been quietly swept under the rug.
3 people “murdered”, cop getting his head bashed to death with a fire extinguisher, gallows being set up to hang the politicians, etc.
Time and time again in this forum, mainstream narratives get pushed feverishly and people (me) get completely ostracized for suggesting maybe the media is lying. Then the narrative falls apart and the local mob hones in on another corporate mews narrative to ravenously defend and ultimately be completely wrong about.

Its not just this topic. Its a great many topics.
There are some who consider others racist because they understand big government spending.
For example. There is no way to please 350 million people. When it comes to policies etc, there will always be some that are left out. We are not all going to make the same wage.
It’s nothing we should ignore and always strive to include everyone possible, but policies will not always benefit all or be liked by all. it’s just a matter of numbers.
but when we start to subjugate the masses to cater to the fringes is when we have halted progression as a society.
Those who understand this are vile racists or prejudiced, to those who don't.
Does this mean we should accept it? No. We should always work to try to include everyone. But when it is impossible, we still have to cater to the bulk of society and we should be able to do so without such hatred and labeling of those who understand this.

If one understands that a great many more women use restrooms than transgenders, so they should determine who is allowed in the restroom with them, then some transgenders will take that as not wanting them to exist.
No, we just prefer to allow the masses to feel comfortable vs have the masses feel uncomfortable so transgenders can feel comfortable.

The biggest misrepresentation i see is this:
Because you said this, you are that.
Fuck off with your three year old mathematics trying to sum me up as a person off of a couple of statements.
Can you explain how you think in a couple of statements? No? Then don't think you can judge me off a couple of statements cause it wont explain how i think either.
But some are sooo prepared to slam down the gavel on others based off a couple of sentences.
It disgusts me and makes me sad enough to cry at the same time….

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Fires were set outside the building but quickly put out. A piece of plywood over the door was lit, but also quickly put out. The building itself was not lit on fire.

But the buildings are concrete right? So you'd really need to pile some wood up next to it and set it on fire to try to get the flames to reach something that will catch, no?

Id have to search but didn't some people set a police station on fire with people inside?

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Yep. Fires quickly put out by protesters.

There are good and bad in every crowd. Protestors, antifa, cops, etc.
good and bad in every crowd. I have no doubts there were many more good protestors than bad. Its sad how a few bad apples can ruin the whole barrel for some. And that goes for all types of barrels.

 

[Phatguysrule]

There are good and bad in every crowd. Protestors, antifa, cops, etc.
good and bad in every crowd. I have no doubts there were many more good protestors than bad. Its sad how a few bad apples can ruin the whole barrel for some. And that goes for all types of barrels.

Right but we shouldn't pay bad apples to be ruining barrels. We should set up systems to make sure the apples that we are paying are better than the kind that would ruin a barrel. Or the kind that would just shoot a different colored apple in cold blood.

That's what the protests were all about.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Right but we shouldn't pay bad apples to be ruining barrels. We should set up systems to make sure the apples that we are paying are better than the kind that would ruin a barrel. Or the kind that would just shoot a different colored apple in cold blood.

That's what the protests were all about.

im thinking trying to provide housing for all would mean paying bad apples as well as good apples, no?

i understand what the protests were about and i largely supported them. I can still believe not all cops are bad apples.

 

[Phatguysrule]

im thinking trying to provide housing for all would mean paying bad apples as well as good apples, no?

No. We put bad apples (ie. dangerous, which hurt others) that we don't pay in jail.

i understand what the protests were about and i largely supported them. I can still believe not all cops are bad apples.

I haven't claimed that all cops are bad apples. I have advocated for holding the bad ones accountable and giving the rest better training and guidance.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

No. We put bad apples (ie. dangerous, which hurt others) that we don't pay in jail.



I haven't claimed that all cops are bad apples. I have advocated for holding the bad ones accountable and giving the rest better training and guidance.

We are 100% on the same page on this then.

 

[crandc]

Beginning Monday Joy Reid will present a point by point analysis of Project 2025.

 

[jonnyboy]

There was a gallow set up for Pence and had they found him, I have no doubt they would have attempted to hang him on it.

It was symbolic. And yes, really lame and stupid. But at the end of the day, you cant hang an adult human on a “prop” quality gallow that’s crossbar is chest high. With an improperly knotted noose lol. The most liberal rags are not running with this anymore. You should stop too.

Three cops weren't "murdered" but officers died due to the riot,

No, that isn’t a cause of death, sorry. You sound ridiculous. Just let this go. How you write something like this and hit send with a straight face is beyond me.

 

[Chris Craig]

But the buildings are concrete right? So you'd really need to pile some wood up next to it and set it on fire to try to get the flames to reach something that will catch, no?

Id have to search but didn't some people set a police station on fire with people inside?

Sure. Just saying the building didn't catch on fire.

Yeah, a small fire I think that was put out and didn't spread thank goodness.

Not defending what those people did. I condemned it then and I will now. They got arrested and prosecuted like they should have.

 

[Chris Craig]

It was symbolic. And yes, really lame and stupid. But at the end of the day, you cant hang an adult human on a “prop” quality gallow that’s crossbar is chest high. With an improperly knotted noose lol. The most liberal rags are not running with this anymore. You should stop too.

No, that isn’t a cause of death, sorry. You sound ridiculous. Just let this go. How you write something like this and hit send with a straight face is beyond me.

They wanted Pence hanged. They chanted it. They searched for him.

The ME in several of the cases of death of officers following the riots, attributed their deaths to it. It's a matter of record.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

There are good and bad in every crowd. Protestors, antifa, cops, etc.
good and bad in every crowd. I have no doubts there were many more good protestors than bad. Its sad how a few bad apples can ruin the whole barrel for some. And that goes for all types of barrels.

Yeah when one of the bad apples is the leader of the movement we can't be too surprised can we

 

[barfo]

Jaded narrative that many have about all republicans/conservatives.

curious what the details of those injuries are. Have you seen the reports, would they be many of the same type of injuries one might get from attending an overcrowded rock festival and getting sardine canned for two hours?
Or were they hits and kicks to the bodies of the officers?

to me, there is a huge difference.

Why don't you just assume they all fell down and got boo-boos on their elbows or knees, and their mommies kissed them and made them all better?

I get the feeling that's what you desperately want to believe, so go for it.

barfo

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Why don't you just assume they all fell down and got boo-boos on their elbows or knees, and their mommies kissed them and made them all better?

I get the feeling that's what you desperately want to believe, so go for it.

barfo

Uhh no. Ill believe what the reports say. You know, the facts?
Nice deferral, trying to make it about personal beliefs instead of sticking with the facts.
Very typical around here. Let our feelz override facts.

I have a feeling you wNt to believe what you wNt to fit a narrative instead sticking with the facts. Hell you just proved it.
I love when you ask someone for some facts and they respond like this….its so productive for individuals to gain a better understanding… not.

its responses like this that have the right laughing at the left…

 

[crandc]

Book sellers warn Project 2025 classify any book with LGBTQ cont not as pornography even if there is no actual sex. It would not only be banned but criminalized.
We see preview in various state book bans. Idaho is so extreme in one community libraries are now adults only and in another parents must sign an affidavit of consent every time they bring their children to the library.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Jaded narrative that many have about all republicans/conservatives.

curious what the details of those injuries are. Have you seen the reports, would they be many of the same type of injuries one might get from attending an overcrowded rock festival and getting sardine canned for two hours?
Or were they hits and kicks to the bodies of the officers?

to me, there is a huge difference.

Yes, exactly like a rock festival.

 

[jonnyboy]

Yes, exactly like a rock festival.

Like a rock festival, but more subdued. It was like 1/10th of woodstock ‘99 lol. Even the videos you posted make it look lame and don’t do you guys’ spooky narrative justice. After all the lies about multiple deaths, etc. have been debunked, all you guys have left to preach about is the supposed intent. The idea that a bunch of meandering boomers “breached” (were let in) the capitol to “overtake democracy”. All the right wing gun owners came to overthrow the most powerful government in the history of mankind but they all forgot their guns at home.
The fact the entire event was crawling with FBI instigators doesn’t help your case either.

 

[PCmor7]

Like a rock festival, but more subdued. It was like 1/10th of woodstock ‘99 lol. Even the videos you posted make it look lame and don’t do you guys’ spooky narrative justice. After all the lies about multiple deaths, etc. have been debunked, all you guys have left to preach about is the supposed intent. The idea that a bunch of meandering boomers “breached” (were let in) the capitol to “overtake democracy”. All the right wing gun owners came to overthrow the most powerful government in the history of mankind but they all forgot their guns at home.
The fact the entire event was crawling with FBI instigators doesn’t help your case either.

Were the Woodstock people acting on the initiative of a failed reality show host to try to violently deny the will of the American people?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Like a rock festival, but more subdued. It was like 1/10th of woodstock ‘99 lol. Even the videos you posted make it look lame and don’t do you guys’ spooky narrative justice. After all the lies about multiple deaths, etc. have been debunked, all you guys have left to preach about is the supposed intent. The idea that a bunch of meandering boomers “breached” (were let in) the capitol to “overtake democracy”. All the right wing gun owners came to overthrow the most powerful government in the history of mankind but they all forgot their guns at home.
The fact the entire event was crawling with FBI instigators doesn’t help your case either.