Question for my Republican friends here

[The_Lillard_King]

This resolution by the congress is like a bad divorce . . . it is costing tons of money and nobody is happy.

I don't want to see the tax cuts extended for anybody and I don't want to see unemployment benfits extended ( I think). This country and it's citizens have dug quite the hole for itself and it is flat out going to hurt to come back from all this. Time to get the hurt on.

 

[blazerboy30]

I don't know if that's what he said, but it sort of makes sense, and perhaps underestimates the impact. If by "child development" you mean "grade school," I think tax payers 35 years ago have received an excellent return on the investment they made in me to attend public education. I've generated far more wealth with the foundation created on that grade school education than the tax payers spent on me. I think that's generally (although maybe not universally) true.

And like I said, I have a perpetual motion machine to sell you. You don't keep throwing money at those that can't create, only consume, and hope that the economy will proper and move forward technologically.

That's as silly as saying that the government should just cut taxes forever until they collect not a penny and no government services are rendered. If only we all lived in the libertarian utopia of Somalia!

Yet believing that the government can create $10 for every $1 they spend is an even sillier concept. Still interested in my perpetual motion machine? It only violates one law of thermodynamics.

 

[Denny Crane]

The debate is framed poorly, and by populist standards.

Since the govt. has a gun and authority to pull the trigger if you don't pay taxes, it's too easy for them to just take from us what they want to spend, without consideration for the amount they want to spend.

Taxing $0 wouldn't mean the govt. is adding $.01 to the debt or has to run a deficit. Once you get this, the rest is quite clear. The Bush Tax Cuts (tm) have nothing to do with the size of the deficits, it's the spending stupid.

Even at $0 taxes, the govt. would have revenue and thus money to spend. It did all along before there was an income tax.

The point is that they need to prioritize what they want to spend money on, given the money they take in, period.

Anything else is a bunch of spoiled politicians whining about having their allowance cut.

 

[mook]

And like I said, I have a perpetual motion machine to sell you. You don't keep throwing money at those that can't create, only consume, and hope that the economy will proper and move forward technologically.
Yet believing that the government can create $10 for every $1 they spend is an even sillier concept. Still interested in my perpetual motion machine? It only violates one law of thermodynamics.

So your definition of a mythical perpetual motion machine is taxpayers paying to educate kids. Ok....

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

So your definition of a mythical perpetual motion machine is taxpayers paying to educate kids. Ok....

I think his problem is with the $10 to 1 return on investment claim.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

In advance, sorry for derailing this thread and will keep my story short.

Had a guy that I graduated Navy Nuclear Power "A" School with and among some of the strange beliefs he had was that the government was against the guy that came up with the "perpetual motion" machine. He only joined the program to finance building his car that ran on nothing. He made it no secret and put on his course critic of basic electronics that the instructor had "gross misconceptions" about electricity. His grades were still there, so he made it past the first major step of training on the path to being trusted with a nuclear reactor.

He had other strange beliefs, like that the human body did not need sleep and experimenting with shocking yourself was healthy. The one that proved his downfall ended up being that Einstien was Christian. Another guy said he was an athiest and apparently this was worthy of a punch to the mouth that required multiple stiches.

 

[blazerboy30]

So your definition of a mythical perpetual motion machine is taxpayers paying to educate kids. Ok....

So you're building strawmen? ok...

If you believe the garbage like "$1 in government spending returns $10" then you should be all for 100% taxation, and the government printing as much money as they possibly can. The idea that those who can only consume will eventually create if you just keep spending money on them is pretty flawed.

I'm all for taxpayers paying to educate kids. But there is no way you'll convince me that if we double the amount we give the schools, we will see a 1000% increase in their production. It is just plain silly to believe that.