Quick calls out Stotts etc

[CupWizier]

Absolutely. I have no doubt Quick has burned bridges throughout the organization.

I actually use to like Quick and then he seemed to get in tight with Canzano and follow in his lead of looking to dig for and create controversy within the team. The national reporters and analyst are typically way ahead of Quick when it comes to news about the team. Quick should do reviews for reality shows or soap operas.

 

[BigGameDamian]

I don't care what other People think about Jason Quick, i like him. He is more a fan of the Blazers than just a Reporter. He's the only Reporter i know who has the balls to Call someone out in the Organisation, and He's 100% right about Stotts and CJ

I don't have a problem with Quicker.

 

[Strenuus]

I never said the question was unfair. I said the questions were leading down a path trying to get Stotts to speak negatively of McCollum. Stotts wasn't going to go there and for good reason as that's a good way to tear apart a locker room. I know some coaches like to use the press as a way to chew out their team, but I have never been one that thinks that's appropriate behaviour as one, it could easily lower a value of a player and two it can tear apart a locker room. That ain't what we need.

I dunno. We're gonna speak in hypothetical at this point, but say Stotts does say he impacts the game in other ways... how can that then turn into negativity? But the fact Stotts said he wasn't going to go down that line is pretty damning, IMO. It makes me think that Stotts is saying he doesn't impact the game in other ways... because if he was, wouldnt he just say it and squash it? Seems the easier road (and leaves less curiosity) than the way he went about it.

Again, all a hypothetical, but still.

 

[CupWizier]

Digging for controversy? WTF. He asked a very basic question.



No, instead you antagonize a poster because they don't believe what you do, and then call them out for having you in their head. This is trolling. GTFO

uh, scalma claimed I was in his head after I said Quick is a hack. Am I not allowed to have that opinion? I just parroted his ridiculous accusation back at him so maybe you should go back and read it and then call him out as wasn't that trolling by him?

 

[Driew]

Ugh why did I read that article. What a waste of time haha

 

[CupWizier]

I dunno. We're gonna speak in hypothetical at this point, but say Stotts does say he impacts the game in other ways... how can that then turn into negativity? But the fact Stotts said he wasn't going to go down that line is pretty damning, IMO. It makes me think that Stotts is saying he doesn't impact the game in other ways... because if he was, wouldnt he just say it and squash it? Seems the easier road (and leaves less curiosity) than the way he went about it.

Again, all a hypothetical, but still.

and I saw it as a coach not wanting to get any controversy going on in the locker room.I can almost guarantee you if Stotts continued answering that line of question there would have continued to be follow up questions trying to push the issue and thus the reason Stotts ended it. They should handle those things internally, not in the press IMO.

 

[Scalma]

uh, scalma claimed I was in his head after I said Quick is a hack. Am I not allowed to have that opinion? I just parroted his ridiculous accusation back at him so maybe you should go back and read it and then call him out as wasn't that trolling by him?

Your full quote was “quick is a hack, I see why you like him.” If you’re gonna attack me, or anyone else, unprovoked, be prepared for a response, and save the bullshit victimization.

Thanks for derailing another thread though!

 

[Strenuus]

and I saw it as a coach not wanting to get any controversy going on in the locker room.I can almost guarantee you if Stotts continued answering that line of question there would have continued to be follow up questions trying to push the issue and thus the reason Stotts ended it. They should handle those things internally, not in the press IMO.

Honestly, the only other way it goes down a negative trajectory is if he says some non-answer. But if he answered it honestly it goes away.

I guess, in the end, it's clear that CJ DOESN'T impact the game in other ways, so him not saying something is damning. I'd rather him say some fluff and we make fun of it for not being true, then him say nothing and we go "How can you not see it?"

 

[Strenuus]

Your full quote was “quick is a hack, I see why you like him.” If you’re gonna attack me, or anyone else, unprovoked, be prepared for a response, and save the bullshit victimization.

Thanks for derailing another thread though!

To be frankly honest, I'm about to delete all the posts that dont have to do with the thread.

We'd be left with about 15 posts, but still!

Get it back on topic, there is most definitely a discussion to be had.

 

[jlprk]

I'm starting to like Jason Quick more. But I still dislike the Oregonian editors for hiring shaman Canzano to turn the Blazers into his own personal moralistic church. Quick was the paper's junior wizard.

McCollum is a great dribbler, but every team has one. He's a good shooter, but every team has three. His dribbling is wasted if his shooting is off, since he lacks any talent to pass. Most players could still help on defense, but he's a shrimp at his position.

He's just not as talented as Olshey fanboys think. I've been saying this since I saw him in his first Summer League game. It was the worst SL team we've ever fielded, because Olshey obtained no PG other than McCollum, to give him PG experience. Olshey fanboys searched for reasons for the summer season's chaos-mayhem-disaster, blindly never considering our new Lillard as the cause despite my attempts.

Olshey likes to force a player like Zach Collins to produce by signing no alternative player onto the team, like that SL team. We were a better team last year with Ed Davis and Shabazz Napier filling in when the usual no-shows like McCollum failed. Lillard used to fill in McCollum's cracks, but every year, Lillard gets lazier and crazier at missing unguarded shots. Entropy is evaporating what little discipline Stotts ever imposed. This is why you change the coach, GM, and players every few years. Fanboys cannot fathom the concept of change for the sake of change. They think it's something to ridicule.

 

[CupWizier]

To be frankly honest, I'm about to delete all the posts that dont have to do with the thread.

We'd be left with about 15 posts, but still!

Get it back on topic, there is most definitely a discussion to be had.

That makes perfect sense to delete those posts or modify them. I will modify my first one but then many other posts going after me should be deleted as well as it's funny how scalma blames me for derailing a thread that he has made about 4 or 5 posts to me and about me and nothing about the topic. If anyone is to blame for derailing a thread it's him.

 

[illmatic99]

Quick was on a podcast with Eric Gunderson and re-iterated much of what is in this article. Also mentioned how Neil is very unlikely to give up "his" guys like Collins and CJ for much less than a top 5 player. Even then, he'd apparently balk at the thought.

 

[Scalma]

What’s hilarious about the Stotts/McCollum relationship is that McCollum was our backup POINT GUARD up until this year, when Olshey pretty much forced a change. I can see why Stotts would be so defensive about a question regarding Mccollums other “skills”

 

[Scalma]

Quick was on a podcast with Eric Gunderson and re-iterated much of what is in this article. Also mentioned how Neil is very unlikely to give up "his" guys like Collins and CJ for much less than a top 5 player. Even then, he'd apparently balk at the thought.

Jfc

 

[Strenuus]

That makes perfect sense to delete those posts or modify them. I will modify my first one but then many other posts going after me should be deleted as well as it's funny how scalma blames me for derailing a thread that he has made about 4 or 5 posts to me and about me and nothing about the topic. If anyone is to blame for derailing a thread it's him.

I'm not blaming anyone in particular. You're all adults, and you are blamed equally for allowing it to grow and grow instead of trying to stem the tide.

 

[CupWizier]

What’s hilarious about the Stotts/McCollum relationship is that McCollum was our backup POINT GUARD up until this year, when Olshey pretty much forced a change. I can see why Stotts would be so defensive about a question regarding Mccollums other “skills”

Napier played a lot of PG last year. Between Lillard, Napier and Turner, McCollum didn't play as much at PG.

 

[Scalma]

Napier played a lot of PG last year. Between Lillard, Napier and Turner, McCollum didn't play as much at PG.

Napier barely played when it counted and Turner was mainly used off the ball.

 

[noknobs]

As usual Quick needs to insert himself into the story.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Anyone who has a problem with Stotts cutting off Quick's question would hate to have Pops here...he'll go entire interviews without saying a word at times or he'll say, "You guys figure it out, you always do" Stotts basically said, "Next question" and Stotts was not happy after that game for probably what he considered a lost opportunity.

I really don't have a problem with any of it, the questions Quick asked or the way stotts answered. I do have some problems with the way that CJ answered. My main confusion was why cup responded to scalma the way he did, I don't know their history it's just his op here in this thread didn't seem to fit the response of Quick is a hack that's why you must like him. I don't really care to get involved with whatever their issues are I assume they're adults and can figure it out.

Anyways, CJ really does have an issue of if he isn't scoring I'm not sure how helpful he is as he's not really good at much else. There was talk of him being better at setting up his teammates but that hasn't panned out, which I think some of that is just the fact they aren't really letting him run point in the 2nd unit, and he just doesn't seem to be much different than he has been when he is the primary ball handler.

 

[CupWizier]

Napier barely played when it counted and Turner was mainly used off the ball.

Napier averaged almost 21 minutes a game and Turner often ran the point with CJ and Lillard in the game as well so as to relieve the pressure from Lillard. 37 minutes from Lillard and 21 minutes from Napier with only 48 minutes available at PG doesn't leave much time for McCollum running the point unless you can demonstrate that Lillard played off the ball for more than 15-20 minutes a game.

 

[hoopsjock]

The perfect answer would be that even if CJ is struggling shooting the other team always has to account for where he is on offense and he rarely gets left alone like a bad shooter would. Having CJ on the floor does help with the spacing of the offense.

It's still a non-answer but you can't really fact check it either so it's hard to make fun of or complain about it. By saying nothing he isn't really standing up for CJ. I mentioned this in the Thunder game thread but until this organization concedes that CJ shouldn't be treated as a star nothing is going to change.

 

[Scalma]

Napier averaged almost 21 minutes a game and Turner often ran the point with CJ and Lillard in the game as well so as to relieve the pressure from Lillard. 37 minutes from Lillard and 21 minutes from Napier with only 48 minutes available at PG doesn't leave much time for McCollum running the point unless you can demonstrate that Lillard played off the ball for more than 15-20 minutes a game.

Napier didn’t play in two of the four playoff games, I don’t give a fuck how many minutes he averaged during the regular season (where his minutes gradually decreased as the season went on btw)

Stotts clearly didn’t trust him enough when it actually mattered.

 

[CupWizier]

I really don't have a problem with any of it, the questions Quick asked or the way stotts answered. I do have some problems with the way that CJ answered. My main confusion was why cup responded to scalma the way he did, I don't know their history it's just his op here in this thread didn't seem to fit the response of Quick is a hack that's why you must like him. I don't really care to get involved with whatever their issues are I assume they're adults and can figure it out.

Anyways, CJ really does have an issue of if he isn't scoring I'm not sure how helpful he is as he's not really good at much else. There was talk of him being better at setting up his teammates but that hasn't panned out, which I think some of that is just the fact they aren't really letting him run point in the 2nd unit, and he just doesn't seem to be much different than he has been when he is the primary ball handler.

Do you consider McCollum one of best scoring threat on the team? Now I know Nurkic has been beasting lately but being a scoring threat that defenses have to scheme for is a luxury for a team. We don't have very many scorers. Imagine if we had a Harkless or Aminu as the shooting guard. Good players but are often played off of because of the lack of a real threat, but they get lots of open looks because of McCollum and Lillard. As for my comment to scalma, yes there is a history as almost any time I respond to a post of his he comes back with a snarky response and telling me to put him on ignore where as he could accomplish what he wants by putting me on ignore. He apparent;y gets worked up over opposing views.

 

[hoopsjock]

Do you consider McCollum one of best scoring threat on the team? Now I know Nurkic has been beasting lately but being a scoring threat that defenses have to scheme for is a luxury for a team. We don't have very many scorers. Imagine if we had a Harkless or Aminu as the shooting guard. Good players but are often played off of because of the lack of a real threat, but they get lots of open looks because of McCollum and Lillard. As for my comment to scalma, yes there is a history as almost any time I respond to a post of his he comes back with a snarky response and telling me to put him on ignore where as he could accomplish what he wants by putting me on ignore. He apparent;y gets worked up over opposing views.

Okay, so why didn't Stotts just say that then instead of not answering the question?

 

[CupWizier]

Napier didn’t play in two of the four playoff games, I don’t give a fuck how many minutes he averaged during the regular season (where his minutes gradually decreased as the season went on btw)

Stotts clearly didn’t trust him enough when it actually mattered.

That simply isn;t true as he averaged 20.7 minutes for the season and the last month he played

21.2 min in April

18.6 in March

20.0 in February

24.9 in January

25.1 in December

20.5 in November

Now how is that barely playing the end of the season? Looks pretty consistent to me. Not sure the relevance of a 4 game playoff series as you also never mentioned playoffs in your initial response that Napier barely played as I was talking an 82 game season.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Do you consider McCollum one of best scoring threat on the team? Now I know Nurkic has been beasting lately but being a scoring threat that defenses have to scheme for is a luxury for a team. We don't have very many scorers. Imagine if we had a Harkless or Aminu as the shooting guard. Good players but are often played off of because of the lack of a real threat, but they get lots of open looks because of McCollum and Lillard. As for my comment to scalma, yes there is a history as almost any time I respond to a post of his he comes back with a snarky response and telling me to put him on ignore where as he could accomplish what he wants by putting me on ignore. He apparent;y gets worked up over opposing views.

I see CJ as one of the best at creating his own shot. What's CJ doing that Seth couldn't do though at this point if he's shooting that bad? Teams would have to guard Seth just as much as they guard CJ which would lead to open shots. Whats interesting is when CJ starts dribbling most teams don't double him or anything they play him straight up, it's not like he is sucking the defense in when he has the ball. I'm not saying Seth is better than CJ. Just saying that CJ is out there to score and when he isn't scoring he's just a guy who is there to keep the defense honest, and there are other's who can do that. CJ is probably the best one and on perimeter player on the team in terms of being able to create his own shots. Just when he isn't making them, his impact on the game is really, really low.

 

[oldmangrouch]

and I saw it as a coach not wanting to get any controversy going on in the locker room.I can almost guarantee you if Stotts continued answering that line of question there would have continued to be follow up questions trying to push the issue and thus the reason Stotts ended it. They should handle those things internally, not in the press IMO.

If Quick had a history as an objective analyst, the question would have come off very differently. Coming from a guy with a long history as a de facto gossip columnist, it (understandably) set off alarm bells.

 

[CupWizier]

Okay, so why didn't Stotts just say that then instead of not answering the question?

Do you think Quick has the respect of the players and management of the Blazers? As for why Stotts didn't say that? You'd have to ask him that. It was a tough game, a tough loss and he stated he wasn't going to go down that line of questioning for the reason he knows Quicks history and style. The reality is we are fans and only fans. We aren't privy to all the details and no matter how much you want to know it simply isn't going to happen. This forum loves to speculate and often times goes down wild rides with that speculation and for all we know Stotts (or someone from the coaching staff) has been working with McCollum.

 

[hoopsjock]

Do you think Quick has the respect of the players and management of the Blazers? As for why Stotts didn't say that? You'd have to ask him that. It was a tough game, a tough loss and he stated he wasn't going to go down that line of questioning for the reason he knows Quicks history and style. The reality is we are fans and only fans. We aren't privy to all the details and no matter how much you want to know it simply isn't going to happen. This forum loves to speculate and often times goes down wild rides with that speculation and for all we know Stotts (or someone from the coaching staff) has been working with McCollum.

So like Olshey, Stotts won't take questions that aren't softballs?

 

[CupWizier]

If Quick had a history as an objective analyst, the question would have come off very differently. Coming from a guy with a long history as a de facto gossip columnist, it (understandably) set off alarm bells.

Bingo.When you burn bridges trying to constantly create controversy, you're not going to get the respect back from players and management so you're not going to get the info you want and like you mentioned his history points to what he really wants.