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PapaG said:
Roy is the only perimeter player that consistently gets a double-team. The rest of your post kind of is irrelevant, unless you can find a better offensive player to eat up a double-team.
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That's a good point. Eventually, though, once the scouting catches up to the new Roy teams will stop doubling him. Currently teams are treating Roy as the Roy from the past. We sort of saw the new scouting against Roy when we played Memphis. Get in his grill and crowd him. He doesn't have any lift or speed to scare most elite defenders.
 
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Driew said:
That's a good point. Eventually, though, once the scouting catches up to the new Roy teams will stop doubling him. Currently teams are treating Roy as the Roy from the past. We sort of saw the new scouting against Roy when we played Memphis. Get in his grill and crowd him. He doesn't have any lift or speed to scare most elite defenders.
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Actually all it took last night was Grievis Vasquez shutting Roy down in single coverage for me to realize that we've already reached that point.
 
PapaG said:
Does anyone have a phone number for this shit show? I've checked out their website, but apparently they decided that hiding the live phone line to their shows is a good idea.
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Nope and I do not listen to the show for this reason. He baits anyone with a clue in his columns and follows the same formula (from what I can tell) on the radio. It is all about stirring the pot with him.
 
Why was my post edited? I didn't say anything bad or attack anyone...

Anyways, Matthews would start to get the double teams if he continues to play as he has been. Granted, Matthews doesn't have the best of handles, but its still better than a one legged Roy.

Also, Roy coming off the bench would give us *SHOCK* scoring off the bench! Who would have thought?!
 
Driew said:
Why was my post edited? I didn't say anything bad or attack anyone...

Anyways, Matthews would start to get the double teams if he continues to play as he has been. Granted, Matthews doesn't have the best of handles, but its still better than a one legged Roy.

Also, Roy coming off the bench would give us *SHOCK* scoring off the bench! Who would have thought?!
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It's called me hitting the "edit post" button instead of the "reply with quote" button on accident
 
They don't have the podcasts up from today!
 
Nikolokolus said:
It's called me hitting the "edit post" button instead of the "reply with quote" button on accident
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Haha, that happens. I've done the same thing on another forum where I'm a moderator. I know the feeling. :)
 
Driew said:
That's a good point. Eventually, though, once the scouting catches up to the new Roy teams will stop doubling him. Currently teams are treating Roy as the Roy from the past. We sort of saw the new scouting against Roy when we played Memphis. Get in his grill and crowd him. He doesn't have any lift or speed to scare most elite defenders.
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Good points as well. I guess I'm just not ready to give up on Roy yet.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Actually all it took last night was Grievis Vasquez shutting Roy down in single coverage for me to realize that we've already reached that point.
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Oh come on Nic . . . Vasquez does that to a lot of guys. He's a game changer defending the perimeter.

Seriously, it was watching Brandon get his shot swatted by . . . just about everyone on the Grizzlies' front line that did it for me. And when he's not getting his shot erased, he's missed more lay-ins in the last month than he probably has in his whole career.
 
A lot of that, without sounding like I'm doing nothing but defending Roy, is poor spacing. Like he said. Finding the lane packed every time has to do with personnel. If he is getting inside, and there's too many guys in there. Or, he's unable to, because one defender has sagged to the free throw line.
 
RR7 said:
A lot of that, without sounding like I'm doing nothing but defending Roy, is poor spacing. Like he said. Finding the lane packed every time has to do with personnel. If he is getting inside, and there's too many guys in there. Or, he's unable to, because one defender has sagged to the free throw line.
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It's true. Steve Nash, who probably hasn't dunked in years, can still get to the rim and finish because he has teammates who can pull out defenders from the key.
 
After all this backlash against Roy, you would think Roy pulled a JailBlazer era move. Now people are questioning his character and saying OCD is affecting his mental state? This is nearly getting out of hand. What he is saying isn't as bad as fans are making it out to be, good lord.
 
PapaG said:
It's true. Steve Nash, who probably hasn't dunked in years, can still get to the rim and finish because he has teammates who can pull out defenders from the key.
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He also has a bunch of player who are actually hitting their open shots instead of laying bricks. A lot of what Roy says is true in many ways. A lot of problems would be solved if some players on the team would nut up and hit their open shots. At the same time, he is clearly not the same player he was 2 years ago. So its a combination of the two things happening at the same time, which probably make it a bigger problem than imagined.
 
I'm amazed, and I've only lived in Portland for 8 years, so can't say I am a "lifelong" Blazers fan, I started rooting for them the moment I moved here. But I am amazed at how quickly the fans, and I know message boards are a small sampling, but how quickly the fans turn on their players. I can't recall a player recently this has not happened to. It's kind of sad to me.
 
RR7 said:
I'm amazed, and I've only lived in Portland for 8 years, so can't say I am a "lifelong" Blazers fan, I started rooting for them the moment I moved here. But I am amazed at how quickly the fans, and I know message boards are a small sampling, but how quickly the fans turn on their players. I can't recall a player recently this has not happened to. It's kind of sad to me.
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That's a bit of my problem with this as well. This franchise, and a large part of the fandom, was dead before Brandon Roy entered our lives. I just wonder how many of those now bashing him were doing so when he was 2nd team All-NBA and a 3-time All-Star. I know there are some who were at the time, but it was a very small minority.
 
RipCityInsider said:
After all this backlash against Roy, you would think Roy pulled a JailBlazer era move. Now people are questioning his character and saying OCD is affecting his mental state? This is nearly getting out of hand. What he is saying isn't as bad as fans are making it out to be, good lord.
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Nearly? Roy honestly gives his opinion WHEN ASKED what he thinks is wrong with the Blazers' crappy offense, and people take it as an opportunity to pile on with all sorts of negative spin. If I were Roy and the Quickster came and asked me what was wrong, after the way he sandbagged Roy on the radio today, I'd tell him to stick his pencil up his ass sideways and go ask Nate.
 
hasoos said:
He also has a bunch of player who are actually hitting their open shots instead of laying bricks. A lot of what Roy says is true in many ways. A lot of problems would be solved if some players on the team would nut up and hit their open shots. At the same time, he is clearly not the same player he was 2 years ago. So its a combination of the two things happening at the same time, which probably make it a bigger problem than imagined.
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Roy was playing in the same crowded lane last year and still produced. The difference this year is his knees are gone.

I'm amazed, and I've only lived in Portland for 8 years, so can't say I am a "lifelong" Blazers fan, I started rooting for them the moment I moved here. But I am amazed at how quickly the fans, and I know message boards are a small sampling, but how quickly the fans turn on their players. I can't recall a player recently this has not happened to. It's kind of sad to me.
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I'm still a huge fan--in fact such a huge fan it upsets me when a player is OBVIOUSLY holding the team back, when a simple move to the bench would help the team out TREMENDOUSLY. That is why I'm upset at Roy. He's being stubborn and I don't care if he was great the last couple of years. This is now, he's got his 88 million--go to the bench and be successful there. Roy says he doesn't have a ego but he has one right now. Oh and that sticky note on his locker "Stay Humble"...something tells me Roy has lost that spark.
 
e_blazer said:
Nearly? Roy honestly gives his opinion WHEN ASKED what he thinks is wrong with the Blazers' crappy offense, and people take it as an opportunity to pile on with all sorts of negative spin. If I were Roy and the Quickster came and asked me what was wrong, after the way he sandbagged Roy on the radio today, I'd tell him to stick his pencil up his ass sideways and go ask Nate.
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Repped. As someone who has been posting with you on boards for years, I know we both get it.
 
Most of what's said on sports radio is to get a reaction. They're trying to manufacture controversy.
 
And not even that, but there's absolutely no support for a guy who helped this franchise out? A bad week and a negative thought on his knee, and immediately, people yell to dump the guy. I know with technology and the internet, people lose focus very quickly now. And It's become so much of a what have you done for me lately world, but damn. It is just amazing to me that the same fan base that still nuts over a hobbled Sabonis wants to dump a guy this quickly into an injury, when no, maybe it won't get better. But he has shown he can play on it. Was half the fan base yelling for Sabonis to go back to Russia, or to be traded? I don't get it. I want to win a championship as well. I don't want to watch a crappy team. Especially as a season ticket holder, it sucks to pay for crap. I'm still happy going to the games I can. Some are frustrating,a nd I want changes. I just don't understand the need to throw every guy we have under the bus immediately upon any bad stuff.
 
RR7 said:
And not even that, but there's absolutely no support for a guy who helped this franchise out? A bad week and a negative thought on his knee, and immediately, people yell to dump the guy. I know with technology and the internet, people lose focus very quickly now. And It's become so much of a what have you done for me lately world, but damn. It is just amazing to me that the same fan base that still nuts over a hobbled Sabonis wants to dump a guy this quickly into an injury, when no, maybe it won't get better. But he has shown he can play on it. Was half the fan base yelling for Sabonis to go back to Russia, or to be traded? I don't get it. I want to win a championship as well. I don't want to watch a crappy team. Especially as a season ticket holder, it sucks to pay for crap. I'm still happy going to the games I can. Some are frustrating,a nd I want changes. I just don't understand the need to throw every guy we have under the bus immediately upon any bad stuff.
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You might not be talking about me, but I'm not saying to dump the guy. Just put him in a better situation. Roy would do GREAT on the second unit. And you know what....we actually might be able to score a bucket with our second unit! What a thought!
 
Driew said:
You might not be talking about me, but I'm not saying to dump the guy. Just put him in a better situation. Roy would do GREAT on the second unit. And you know what....we actually might be able to score a bucket with our second unit! What a thought!
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The "first unit" scored 9 points in the 4th quarter last night.

Perhaps the "second unit" with Roy should be the "first unit"?
 
Wow, Jerome Kersey is killing Roy right now.
 
Driew said:
Roy was playing in the same crowded lane last year and still produced. The difference this year is his knees are gone.



I'm still a huge fan--in fact such a huge fan it upsets me when a player is OBVIOUSLY holding the team back, when a simple move to the bench would help the team out TREMENDOUSLY. That is why I'm upset at Roy. He's being stubborn and I don't care if he was great the last couple of years. This is now, he's got his 88 million--go to the bench and be successful there. Roy says he doesn't have a ego but he has one right now. Oh and that sticky note on his locker "Stay Humble"...something tells me Roy has lost that spark.
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That is still not an excuse for those players to hit shots. Is Roy performing up to par? Nope. Is that an excuse for Rudy to shoot 36% when he shoots mostly open 3's? Or for Batum to register O'fers across the stat line? Is it an excuse for the backup PG to basically register 9 doughuts out of 10 games in the stat column? No it's not.
 
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