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PapaG said:
Wow, Jerome Kersey is killing Roy right now.
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I thought pretty much everything Jerome said was spot on. Roy as a supposed team leader isn't handling his position very well.
 
Hard part is what Roy is saying isn't exactly untrue. IMO he's right in what he's saying. It's just something you can't say to the papers, though.

He's just too open and honest for his own good. I'm not sure he realizes how bad his answers make him look sometimes. He's just saying how he feels.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
An $85m bench player?

GTFO with that!
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Its not pretty, but that's what we signed him to. And just because he makes 85 million doesn't mean he should still start. And coming off the bench DOES NOT mean only playing 20 minutes. He'd still play his usual 30-35. Its amazing that people think you NEED to have your best five starting. Uh....Ginobli anyone? He came off the bench....

Until Andre is traded that is the best option.
 
e_blazer said:
Nearly? Roy honestly gives his opinion WHEN ASKED what he thinks is wrong with the Blazers' crappy offense, and people take it as an opportunity to pile on with all sorts of negative spin. If I were Roy and the Quickster came and asked me what was wrong, after the way he sandbagged Roy on the radio today, I'd tell him to stick his pencil up his ass sideways and go ask Nate.
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Quick asks Roy what's wrong with the team, and this is what he gets:
"I don't know how people want us to play, because this is the personnel we have," Roy said. "I wasn't that slow until you put a guy who is kind of slow next to me. I've always been kind of slow ... not to be controversial at all, but I was slow my rookie year, and now it's ..."

Frustrated, Roy shook his head.

"A lot has changed. That's why it's just delicate. With how I was able to play early in my career, I always said I was happy because of the situation I came into. I had this, this, this, and I didn't have to change. Now that we have to adjust ... some of it is we are running into rhythm problems, consistently."

When asked if the team's personnel has to change, Roy raised his eyebrows.

"We are 12-13, and I don't see that it was great tonight," Roy said.
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Quick asks Aldridge what's wrong with the team and gets this:
"I'm not a GM, so I can't really say that. It's not my job," Aldridge said. "When we won the last three games at home, it wasn't an issue of us fitting was it? So I can't look at it as we lose one or two, then it's 'Do we fit?' I can't think like that. I have to think, 'these are my teammates, and we have to make it work.'"
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It's Quick's job to ask what is wrong - Aldridge demonstrated the professional way to answer, Roy just pointed fingers and blamed others. I can see why people would upset with Roy for what he said. He should have answered the question like a pro.
 
RR7 said:
I'm amazed, and I've only lived in Portland for 8 years, so can't say I am a "lifelong" Blazers fan, I started rooting for them the moment I moved here. But I am amazed at how quickly the fans, and I know message boards are a small sampling, but how quickly the fans turn on their players. I can't recall a player recently this has not happened to. It's kind of sad to me.
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Internet forums create a feedback loop for anger, until it turns surprisingly vicious. I've seen it on pretty much every forum I've looked at over the years. Natural combativeness in trying to win arguments about players (which pushes people to more and more extreme or entrenched positions) and reading and posting constantly about players (rather than letting frustration die down between games) seems to fuel the feedback loop.

I imagine talk radio served and continues to serve a similar function, but since I've never listened to that (only heard others talk about it), I don't know for sure.

Ultimately, I try to filter out the "Grr, I hate all these losing losers for losing like losers" and read posts that seem like attempts at analysis or reasoned opinion.
 
Vicious cycle that has been going on since last season. Roy says or does something selfish/egotistical and some fans tear him apart while other fans lament how quickly our fans turn on our only All-Star and All-NBA player.

This happened a handful of times last year, and we've already seen this happen two or three times this year. Let's take a look at some of the things Roy has done while here:

Demanded that Zach Randolph be traded.

Blocked Andre Miller from starting.

Complained about Miller and used Miller as an excuse for his poor play.

Complained about Oden being featured in the offense.

Complained about the roster and the offense.

That's just off the top of my head. I think there's plenty of good reason to be unhappy with Brandon Roy. He's becoming more and more egotistical and he isn't handling his decline very well, which is to be expected.

Brandon Roy is the hot chick who got fat, but still thinks she's hot.
 
RR7 said:
And not even that, but there's absolutely no support for a guy who helped this franchise out? A bad week and a negative thought on his knee, and immediately, people yell to dump the guy. I know with technology and the internet, people lose focus very quickly now. And It's become so much of a what have you done for me lately world, but damn. It is just amazing to me that the same fan base that still nuts over a hobbled Sabonis wants to dump a guy this quickly into an injury, when no, maybe it won't get better. But he has shown he can play on it. Was half the fan base yelling for Sabonis to go back to Russia, or to be traded? I don't get it. I want to win a championship as well. I don't want to watch a crappy team. Especially as a season ticket holder, it sucks to pay for crap. I'm still happy going to the games I can. Some are frustrating,a nd I want changes. I just don't understand the need to throw every guy we have under the bus immediately upon any bad stuff.
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The obvious difference is that Sabonis wasn't a 25 year old max contract guy.
 
Ben Golliver has a really nice take he put up on Blazersedge.com today

http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/12/14/1876616/should-you-be-listening-to-the-brandon-roy

Allow me to make a few general observations regarding Roy that will eventually tie together to make a greater point.

When judging what comes out of Roy's mouth, always keep in mind the entirety of his situation. This is a top-flight athlete who was on a Hall of Fame track, a player who now no longer trusts his body and is forced to completely re-evaluate his self perception, goals and future. You can almost always draw a direct line between on-court performance and off-court mood. As such, mood can vacillate like a Richter scale in the blink of an eye. That effect is only more pronounced given Roy's injury struggles. You've read the up-and-down quotes. One day he feels like a world-killer who doesn't need any restrictions. The next he feels tweaks that limit everything he wants to do. If his statements lack consistency or clarity, that shouldn't come as a surprise. And, if you're prepared for them, they shouldn't evoke anger.

When assessing Roy's prescriptions for solving the team's problems or changing the team's offense, remember that NBA players are human beings, and as such are more likely to remember their best performances, inflate their average performances, and forget or downplay their worst performances. When NBA players, like all human beings, meet adversity, they are more likely to envision solutions that include them rather than solutions that don't include them, and they are more likely to see (and occasionally point out in public) faults in others rather than faults in themselves. When things get really ugly, absent of quick fixes, NBA players, like all human beings, aren't above fantasizing about better days in the past. This is one of the main reasons coaches exist: to balance the various perspectives in the locker room and craft a workable solution that everyone can buy into.

With that background laid, here are a few other points that need to be made.
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Given the situation laid out above -- that Roy is struggling with health issues, that his public statements are inconsistent, that his play is no longer effective enough to bank on from a long-term pespective, that he isn't capable of providing a realistic or workable alternative to the team's current struggles -- the value of Roy's public words has never been lower. Again, that may sound harsh, but it should be true. Would you be better served to ignore 90% of the things that come out of Roy's mouth between now and the all star break? Probably, especially if the nature of his comments upsets you. Right now, for all of the reasons listed, it's a lot of hot air. By ignoring it, you sacrifice very little.
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that brings us, finally, to [the person] you should be listening to: Blazers GM Rich Cho. Assessing the incentives of all the involved parties, no one has a greater motivation to figure out what the future will look like than Cho. Roy is getting paid regardless. McMillan may or may not be here next season. Cho, though, is in this for the long haul and is therefore looking to make this roster and franchise his own. He should realize the value in helping shape public sentiment as there is ample evidence this could be a bumpy ride.

Instead, a frustrated, confused player and a lame duck coach are setting the agenda and putting off today's problem until tomorrow, respectively. Pats on the back from Blazers president Larry Miller to McMillan and to the players for their effort despite the losing simply aren't a sufficient management response.
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Natebishop3 said:
Vicious cycle that has been going on since last season. Roy says or does something selfish/egotistical and some fans tear him apart while other fans lament how quickly our fans turn on our only All-Star and All-NBA player.

This happened a handful of times last year, and we've already seen this happen two or three times this year. Let's take a look at some of the things Roy has done while here:

Demanded that Zach Randolph be traded.

Blocked Andre Miller from starting.

Complained about Miller and used Miller as an excuse for his poor play.

Complained about Oden being featured in the offense.

Complained about the roster and the offense.

That's just off the top of my head. I think there's plenty of good reason to be unhappy with Brandon Roy. He's becoming more and more egotistical and he isn't handling his decline very well, which is to be expected.

Brandon Roy is the hot chick who got fat, but still thinks she's hot.
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Wow when you say lets look at some of the things Roy has done since he has been here, every thing you mention is negative. Maybe you meant to say let's look at all the negative things Roy has done . . . but I was expecting a bullet points of the good and bad.

Or is your list the list of what you think are the most significant things he has done since he has been here, because I would think leading team to playoffs, leading team in scoring, being the first Blazer all star since whenever along with the stuff you mentioned should go on the list too, IMO
 
When was Oden featured in the offense, and when did roy publicly complain about that?
 
As for the rest of the list, I've always been of the mindset that if you have someone you think is, or actually is a franchise player, you try to build around that player. Roy was at his best with a guard that spaced the floor. Now, yes, he preferred Blake to Miller. Given the two options. And though arguments will go on both sides, we did win more games with Blake. I think it's on our GM to improve the roster. And our coach to find fits. Nate saw fits with miller in a few guys,a nd Blake with others.

KP..I have done a 180. I was a huge supporter. But...Sorry. Again, you build around your best player. I get the Miller signing was probably a last gasp sort of deal. But I don't think adding Hedo at SF was going to be any better. A PG/SF. When others clamored for a Mo Williams, Jamal Crawford. Basically, an improved offensive Blake. Many looked at Hinrich as an improvement of him on defense. Maybe slightly more on O. But if you have a SF in Webster or Batum who looks to be a really good defender, and who could guard multiple positions, the optimal choice would have been to go with a Crawford or Williams at the point. KP chose Miller. I like Miller a lot. He has won us some games. he has drastically changed the team dynamic, and the team has fallen down for more than one reason since his arrival.

And I know injuries are at the forefront of that. Butthe biggest injury each year has seemed to be Oden, and really, he's never been a part of this team. We somehow never put veteran role players around our young building blocks of Roy and Aldridge. Every draft we went with Claver, Koppo, Jarret on steroids. How about just Jarret?

We went Spurs model, before having the titles and great players in place. Stashing before there was too much talent that drafting more was a problem. Signing scrub shit players to sit on th ebench, as opposed to taking a chance on talent, or keeping a vet along, for the most part, howard being an exception.

Sorry, long rant.
 
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It's ironic that certain fans are criticizing Brandon for being selfish, egotistical, or whiny. They actually might be describing themselves instead.
 
DeanMoriarty said:
It's ironic that certain fans are criticizing Brandon for being selfish, egotistical, or whiny. They actually might be describing themselves instead.
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Fans always turn on the players they once loved. Familiarity breeds contempt.
 
maxiep said:
Fans always turn on the players they once loved. Familiarity breeds contempt.
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Even Rudy got turned on when Speed and his brother entered the back room.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Beginning of last year. Roy said so in the media
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Huh? Link, please. NateBishop's list seems to be a lot of his own opinion, versus what Roy has actually said or done. Plus, as previously posted, everything he listed is negative, which waves the "disregard this mod's opinion because he is clearly biased" flag in my face.
 
RR7 said:
As for the rest of the list, I've always been of the mindset that if you have someone you think is, or actually is a franchise player, you try to build around that player. Roy was at his best with a guard that spaced the floor. Now, yes, he preferred Blake to Miller. Given the two options. And though arguments will go on both sides, we did win more games with Blake. I think it's on our GM to improve the roster. And our coach to find fits. Nate saw fits with miller in a few guys,a nd Blake with others. KP..I have done a 180. I was a huge supporter. But...Sorry. Again, you build around your best player. I get the Miller signing was probably a last gasp sort of deal. But I don't think adding Hedo at SF was going to be any better. A PG/SF. When others clamored for a Mo Williams, Jamal Crawford. Basically, an improved offensive Blake. Many looked at Hinrich as an improvement of him on defense. Maybe slightly more on O. But if you have a SF in Webster or Batum who looks to be a really good defender, and who could guard multiple positions, the optimal choice would have been to go with a Crawford or Williams at the point. KP chose Miller. I like Miller a lot. He has won us some games. he has drastically changed the team dynamic, and the team has fallen down for more than one reason since his arrival. And I know injuries are at the forefront of that. Butthe biggest injury each year has seemed to be Oden, and really, he's never been a part of this team. We somehow never put veteran role players around our young building blocks of Roy and Aldridge. Every draft we went with Claver, Koppo, Jarret on steroids. How about just Jarret? We went Spurs model, before having the titles and great players in place. Stashing before there was too much talent that drafting more was a problem. Signing scrub shit players to sit on th ebench, as opposed to taking a chance on talent, or keeping a vet along, for the most part, howard being an exception.

Sorry, long rant.
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You should use paragraphs. That hurts to read.
 
maxiep said:
Fans always turn on the players they once loved. Familiarity breeds contempt.
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I'd hardly say that I've "turned" on Roy. I think I've just accepted his reality before he has. If you call that turning on Roy, so be it.
 
MickZagger said:
You should use paragraphs. That hurts to read.
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I understood it and found it well-reasoned. Perhaps you could try to use more than a sentence in any given post to add some depth to your own thoughts? I'll take a good rant over an angry sentence all day and every day.
 
PapaG said:
I understood it and found it well-reasoned. Perhaps you could try to use more than a sentence in any given post to add some depth to your own thoughts? I'll take a good rant over an angry sentence all day and every day.
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All I type is one sentence in my posts? Okay.

I read the whole thing, good points. But, that doesn't take away from the fact that it was hard to read because there was no structure.
 
MickZagger said:
All I type is one sentence in my posts? Okay.

I read the whole thing, good points. But, that doesn't take away from the fact that it was hard to read because there was no structure.
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Are you the grammar police these days? If so, you may want to work on your "your" and "you're" game. I suppose I could waste posts correcting those frequent mistakes, but I don't, since I understand what you're communicating in your posts, bad grammar or otherwise.
 
PapaG said:
Are you the grammar police these days? If so, you may want to work on your "your" and "you're" game. I suppose I could waste posts correcting those frequent mistakes, but I don't, since I understand what you're communicating in your posts, bad grammar or otherwise.
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Once again proving to everybody what a class dude you are?

I see he agreed with me, he fixed it. Hardly grammar police, more like letting him know that if he used paragraphs it would make it easier to read.

Are you in the mood to pick fights again? I feel like making you change screenames again.
 
MickZagger said:
Once again proving to everybody what a class dude you are?
I see he agreed with me, he fixed it. Hardly grammar police, more like letting him know that if he used paragraphs it would make it easier to read.

Are you in the mood to pick fights again? I feel like making you change screenames again.
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It's pretty well-known that I lack class when engaging with fellow agitators like you, or nuance in general for stating my opinions with anyone. The same can be said for you, as you proved in this thread. Are you trying to take over my victim act? I have some pointers for you. :)
 
PapaG said:
It's pretty well-known that I lack class when engaging with fellow agitators like you, or nuance in general for stating my opinions with anyone. The same can be said for you, as you proved in this thread. Are you trying to take over my victim act? I have some pointers for you. :)
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I'm the agitator? lol

okie dokie artichokie.
 
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