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Neil should be on the phone with Detroit asking about Tobias Harris and Reggie Jackson. Reggie in patticual fell out of favor and saw his minutes decrease significantly at the end of the year. Tobias has done better playing at the 4 and Detroit seems pretty set on shaking things up.
 
AFully22 said:
Neil should be on the phone with Detroit asking about Tobias Harris and Reggie Jackson. Reggie in patticual fell out of favor and saw his minutes decrease significantly at the end of the year. Tobias has done better playing at the 4 and Detroit seems pretty set on shaking things up.
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Tobias Harris is like the modern day Shareef Abdur-Rahim
 
If Portland offers Nurk, Harkless, AC, Vonleh, 2 future 1sts (or some variation) for Drummond, Jackson, and Harris does Detroit consider it? As much as I love Nurk I'd pull the trigger on that deal.
 
AFully22 said:
If Portland offers Nurk, Harkless, AC, Vonleh, 2 future 1sts (or some variation) for Drummond, Jackson, and Harris does Detroit consider it? As much as I love Nurk I'd pull the trigger on that deal.
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Good Lord no. You're trading our future (Nurk and two 1st round picks) for 3/5ths of a line up that won 37 games in the Eastern Conference. I wouldn't do that deal even without the draft picks.

BNM
 
AFully22 said:
If Portland offers Nurk, Harkless, AC, Vonleh, 2 future 1sts (or some variation) for Drummond, Jackson, and Harris does Detroit consider it? As much as I love Nurk I'd pull the trigger on that deal.
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Drummond is all numbers and no substance. Pistons fans are extremely frustrated with him.
 
BonesJones said:
Just horrible.
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Haha alright then. Guess I'm obviously in the minority on that one. I see Drummond a more sure thing over Nurk and Harris with more potential that Harkless, AC. Jackson would be good off the bench and our picks aren't going to be great in the coming years anyways. But I see both sides. Just an idea.
 
BonesJones said:
HOU Gets: Shumpert
CLE Gets: Aminu
POR Gets: 2020 Lottery Protected HOU 1st

I'd do that in a heartbeat.
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Yeah but why would Houston give up a first for shumpert? More realistic would be a couple of seconds and we dump Meyers or Davis.
 
Mr. Robot said:
are you even a POR fan
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Since I can remember. I know I'll get killed for this but... Nurk's injury history scares me and I think some of the expectation might be unrealistic based off a good 1/3 of a season. I like Drummond for defense and potential and think that AC,Moe,Vonleh aren't going to get us anywhere so moving them is easy for me. But I get the Nurk hype and see both sides.
 
AFully22 said:
Since I can remember. I know I'll get killed for this but... Nurk's injury history scares me and I think some of the expectation might be unrealistic based off a good 1/3 of a season. I like Drummond for defense and potential and think that AC,Moe,Vonleh aren't going to get us anywhere so moving them is easy for me. But I get the Nurk hype and see both sides.
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Nurk and Drummond are the same age. Why do you think Drummond has more potential? I think Nurk is significantly better than Drummond on offense. He's a better passer, he's a better shooter, and he has a MUCH higher BBIQ.
 
AFully22 said:
Since I can remember. I know I'll get killed for this but... Nurk's injury history scares me and I think some of the expectation might be unrealistic based off a good 1/3 of a season. I like Drummond for defense and potential and think that AC,Moe,Vonleh aren't going to get us anywhere so moving them is easy for me. But I get the Nurk hype and see both sides.
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Drummond doesn't demand any real coverage offensively, isn't a good passer, and he shoots 38% from the line. He can rebound and defend but what good is he when he has to sit in the fourth and doesn't solve our offensive woes when Dame/CJ get trapped?
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
Drummond doesn't demand any real coverage offensively, isn't a good passer, and he shoots 38% from the line. He can rebound and defend but what good is he when he has to sit in the fourth and doesn't solve our offensive woes when Dame/CJ get trapped?
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Drummond has to be one of the most overrated players in the league. He puts up big numbers, but his actual impact on the game is minimal.
 
AFully22 said:
If Portland offers Nurk, Harkless, AC, Vonleh, 2 future 1sts (or some variation) for Drummond, Jackson, and Harris does Detroit consider it? As much as I love Nurk I'd pull the trigger on that deal.
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Nurk should be the only untouchable on this team IMO.
 
I might be missing something, would it be all of the unguaranteed contracts Houston would trade for Shumpert? If so, I don't see how that generates a TPE.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Nurk and Drummond are the same age. Why do you think Drummond has more potential? I think Nurk is significantly better than Drummond on offense. He's a better passer, he's a better shooter, and he has a MUCH higher BBIQ.
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I think Drummond is the more athletic of the two, a better shot blocker, has little injury history, and has improved his offensive game in the last two years. Just my opinion but I would prefer the 3rd and 4th scoring threats to come from the forward positions and would rather have our center be an elite rebounder and defensive force. I think Drummond fills more of our team needs and has proven he can stay healthy. Adding him along side Harris and Jackson seems like a better team than keeping our role players and Nurk both for the long and short term. Unpopular opinion now but If Nurk goes down again for an extended period of time I think more people would agree.
 
AFully22 said:
I think Drummond is the more athletic of the two, a better shot blocker, has little injury history, and has improved his offensive game in the last two years. Just my opinion but I would prefer the 3rd and 4th scoring threats to come from the forward positions and would rather have our center be an elite rebounder and defensive force. I think Drummond fills more of our team needs and has proven he can stay healthy. Adding him along side Harris and Jackson seems like a better team than keeping our role players and Nurk both for the long and short term. Unpopular opinion now but If Nurk goes down again for an extended period of time I think more people would agree.
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I understand your perspective, but I think that emphasizing the "safe floor" of Drummond is the wrong approach for this team, because they're in trail position for the championship. The Warriors going for safer options around their core would make sense, because it's currently their title to lose, so they don't want anything derailing that. Portland needs to win some bets, and Nurkic is a major one. Yes, there are risks regarding his health and small sample size of elite production but if he pans out as a consistent force, that could be the break Portland needs.

In general, when you're "losing," you should want to increase volatility and up the risk/reward. When you're "winning," you should want to decrease volatility. The Warriors, in the title race, are winning and we're currently behind.
 
Minstrel said:
I understand your perspective, but I think that emphasizing the "safe floor" of Drummond is the wrong approach for this team, because they're in trail position for the championship. The Warriors going for safer options around their core would make sense, because it's currently their title to lose, so they don't want anything derailing that. Portland needs to win some bets, and Nurkic is a major one. Yes, there are risks regarding his health and small sample size of elite production but if he pans out as a consistent force, that could be the break Portland needs.

In general, when you're "losing," you should want to increase volatility and up the risk/reward. When you're "winning," you should want to decrease volatility. The Warriors, in the title race, are winning and we're currently behind.
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Great points. I guess my thinking is that adding Drummond, Harris, Jackson instead of keeping Nurk and what I believe to be low ceiling players isn't the "safe move". I see that as trying something different that I believe has a better chance of paying off big. To me that move WOULD be "upping the risk/reward" and consolidates some mediocre assets for some players that I believe could shine in Portland.

I also think that if you propose that trade idea to anyone outside the Blazers fan base they would say Portland would come away the winners in that deal.
 
How about we trade Cash Considerations for Money Bags? It's the likeliest deal that could happen.
 
AFully22 said:
Great points. I guess my thinking is that adding Drummond, Harris, Jackson instead of keeping Nurk and what I believe to be low ceiling players isn't the "safe move". I see that as trying something different that I believe has a better chance of paying off big. To me that move WOULD be "upping the risk/reward" and consolidates some mediocre assets for some players that I believe could shine in Portland.

I also think that if you propose that trade idea to anyone outside the Blazers fan base they would say Portland would come away the winners in that deal.
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No, they wouldn't, and if they did, it's because they overrate Drummond.

How is the Detroit package high upside? Drummond has 0 offensive upside, and his defense and rebounding is about as good as it'll get. Drummond will never learn how to shoot outside of 4 feet, and his not going to develop into Hakeem in the low post. Nurkic has so much more room to grow and he has immense offensive upside. Athleticism doesn't equal upside. Nurkic has more upside because he's never been in great shape, while Drummond doesn't have much room to improve his body.

Reggie Jackson is 27, and has been declining the past couple years. He's not big enough to play SG, and he's a horrible defender who'd be an awful fit with Dame and C.J. He's a selfish player who shoots a below average efficiency. He is what he is, and that's a player that doesn't bring anything positive to an NBA team.

Harris is the only one with upside, but he has about as much as Crabbe does since they're the same age.

Nurkic's upside outweighs all three of those guys upside by far. But then you want to give up two first round picks, Harkless, and Vonleh? C'mon now.
 
I think this is fair for all teams involved but what the hell do I know? This was pretty hard for me to figure out.

I welcome feedback on why or why not this sucks


http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7tktjqt

Rotation:

Dame/Augustin/Hunter(?)
CJ/Crabbe
Harkless/Barbosa/Layman
Collins/Aminu/Swanigan
Nurk/Chandler/Meyers
 
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