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BlazerBender said:
What did you mean with your original post?
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Natebishop3 said:
Where did I say Dame is going to leave? I said that we lost three key players without recouping any value for them. Whether it was because of injury or leaving through free agency, we lost those players without bringing back anything to help us in the future. Dame might not leave, but he will decline and cease to be the player that can carry the team. So we are once again in a position to allow a valuable resource to expire without bringing back anything to help us in the future. Whether it's father time, or injuries, or he decides to leave when his contract is up.
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Bill Simmons made a throwaway comment about whether NO should call teams about Zion trades and mentioned ATL and Portland as possible landing spots.

Would we do Ant for Zion? Not really thinking yet about what NO would want back.
 
Natebishop3 said:
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so back to square one. You are insulting Dames character. Or you think he will get imjured. Either way, that was a nice merry go round you just played. ;)

bad take. Just admit it. Dame is not LMA and injuries are unpredictable.
Hell we should trade everyone over 24 then because injuries might happen or they might leave for nothing!!!!

lets trade anyone on a contract who has not openly committed to another contract. They might leave for nothing!

just a bad take man. Move on.
 
illmatic99 said:
Bill Simmons made a throwaway comment about whether NO should call teams about Zion trades and mentioned ATL and Portland as possible landing spots.

Would we do Ant for Zion? Not really thinking yet about what NO would want back.
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Might do Zion some good to get him away from southern cooking.
 
BlazerBender said:
so back to square one. You are insulting Dames character. Or you think he will get imjured. Either way, that was a nice merry go round you just played. ;)

bad take. Just admit it. Dame is not LMA and injuries are unpredictable.
Hell we should trade everyone over 24 then because injuries might happen or they might leave for nothing!!!!

lets trade anyone on a contract who has not openly committed to another contract. They might leave for nothing!

just a bad take man. Move on.
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How am I insulting Dame's character? Letting him age on a young team with not enough talent to compete is wasting a resource. I don't know why you're so focused on LMA. I never said that Dame was going to leave us in free agency. You're fixating on one small portion of my larger point. We had three high lottery picks on that Roy/Oden/LMA team and we got zero resources for them. That's an easy explanation for why this team has been so devoid of talent for so long.

Dame isn't 24. He's 32 (almost 33) years old. But go ahead and continue on with the hyperbole.
 
illmatic99 said:
Bill Simmons made a throwaway comment about whether NO should call teams about Zion trades and mentioned ATL and Portland as possible landing spots.

Would we do Ant for Zion? Not really thinking yet about what NO would want back.
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Ant for Zion doesn't actually work for salary matching purposes... you can't trust fanspo's trade machine right now because it has next year's salaries in it and has us with a bunch of cap space. I don't think we could pull off a trade for Zion until after the draft. I don't think Ant is the best fit for the Pelicans. It could be done as far as salaries go for Ant and Nas. I would imagine given what Zion has done when actually on the court that NO would want more than just those two players for him. I wouldn't even be willing to give up those two guys for him unless we were able to talk to him extensively about diet/nutrition and conditioning along with his mental health.

The fact is that I think the Pelicans need to stick it out with Zion, he is just starting a 5 year max deal. Due to his inability to stay healthy, I don't think he's a risk worth taking right now if we have to send out what he is worth when he can play.
 
Natebishop3 said:
How am I insulting Dame's character? Letting him age on a young team with not enough talent to compete is wasting a resource. I don't know why you're so focused on LMA. I never said that Dame was going to leave us in free agency. You're fixating on one small portion of my larger point. We had three high lottery picks on that Roy/Oden/LMA team and we got zero resources for them. That's an easy explanation for why this team has been so devoid of talent for so long.

Dame isn't 24. He's 32 (almost 33) years old. But go ahead and continue on with the hyperbole.
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you mentioned three names. Two got injured which is not predictable, so the loss is understandable. That leaves LMA. He snaked the franchise.
You are not making the point i think you are, hence the hyperbole. Now neither of us make sense. Get they hyperbole now? It was sarcastic. Your post doesn't make sense, so i showed how i can also not make sense.
Im sure your post makes sense to you, but you are stuck on a narrative and have been for a while. So you talk yourself into it adding up, when it doesn't really add up.
Not a big deal. Your take just didn't make sense.
 
blazerkor said:
Ant for Zion doesn't actually work for salary matching purposes... you can't trust fanspo's trade machine right now because it has next year's salaries in it and has us with a bunch of cap space. I don't think we could pull off a trade for Zion until after the draft. I don't think Ant is the best fit for the Pelicans. It could be done as far as salaries go for Ant and Nas. I would imagine given what Zion has done when actually on the court that NO would want more than just those two players for him. I wouldn't even be willing to give up those two guys for him unless we were able to talk to him extensively about diet/nutrition and conditioning along with his mental health.

The fact is that I think the Pelicans need to stick it out with Zion, he is just starting a 5 year max deal. Due to his inability to stay healthy, I don't think he's a risk worth taking right now if we have to send out what he is worth when he can play.
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I know salaries need to match lol.

I also know throwing a fairly insignificant contract like Nas in would make it work. Didnt feel the need to be this pedantic when my post was about us being a potential landing spot for Zion or if we even want it.
 
illmatic99 said:
Bill Simmons made a throwaway comment about whether NO should call teams about Zion trades and mentioned ATL and Portland as possible landing spots.

Would we do Ant for Zion? Not really thinking yet about what NO would want back.
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Sure, why not
 
illmatic99 said:
I think some of his injury stuff is chronic. While a change of scenery is good, i would be deathly afraid of that financial commitment to a guy who might not be prioritizing hoops.

Still... An interesting thought exercise.
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Yeah... honestly I don't really want him. Not at that price tag.
 
illmatic99 said:
I know salaries need to match lol.

I also know throwing a fairly insignificant contract like Nas in would make it work. Didnt feel the need to be this pedantic when my post was about us being a potential landing spot for Zion or if we even want it.
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That's cool, then just skip those first two sentences the rest is about how I don't know if I would want to take on his huge contract because of the risk that we pay that out to a player that can't stay healthy for obvious reasons. Also I don't think given his value when he has been healthy enough to be on the court that the Pelicans should trade him for as little as they would have to trade him for.

If they just asked for Ant and Nas it wouldn't be the easiest of decisions but I would ask for permission to talk to Zion and his agent about demands that we would make as a team, that he is seeing a mental healthcare professional that the team gets to approve, that he will follow team nutritionists guidelines and guidelines from our strength and conditioning people and that he do all of that both during the season and during the off season. I think that might be unrealistic to ask for from Zion and his representation but it's the only way I would even think about it if I was the Blazers FO. You have to give up value in the players sent out to match his contract but then the much bigger risk is the contract itself being 5 years and at least 193M.
 
illmatic99 said:
Bill Simmons made a throwaway comment about whether NO should call teams about Zion trades and mentioned ATL and Portland as possible landing spots.

Would we do Ant for Zion? Not really thinking yet about what NO would want back.
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done deal!
 
Zion is such an incredible player, but is eating himself out of the league. I just don't see his body, with his explosive game style , at his current weight, able to sustain the wear and tear of the game. Unless he goes to a more "ZBo" type of game. I think the Pelicans and their staff should make dunks and explosive moves, off limits, until he gets his nutrition and weight under control. It would be a very high risk, but high reward . I wouldn't send a ton of picks , that's for sure.
 
tykendo said:
Zion is such an incredible player, but is eating himself out of the league. I just don't see his body, with his explosive game style , at his current weight, able to sustain the wear and tear of the game. Unless he goes to a more "ZBo" type of game. I think the Pelicans and their staff should make dunks and explosive moves, off limits, until he gets his nutrition and weight under control. It would be a very high risk, but high reward . I wouldn't send a ton of picks , that's for sure.
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I remember before the season it had looked like, and it was reported that Zion had slim down and was looking in shape for the season. I had thought the pelicans got him a chef to keep his diet right I don’t know what went wrong? The guy almost look like looks like he’s been eating big Macs and wiener wraps again.
 
BigGameDamian said:
I remember before the season it had looked like, and it was reported that Zion had slim down and was looking in shape for the season. I had thought the pelicans got him a chef to keep his diet right I don’t know what went wrong? The guy almost look like looks like he’s been eating big Macs and wiener wraps again.
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Like he did in the "Mt. Don't" commercial.
 
https://www.blazersedge.com/platfor...a-anunoby-towns-butler-adebayo-siakam-lillard

Evaluating 5 Star Trade Targets for the Trail Blazers This Summer

Who fits, who doesn’t, and what is the price tag?


Bam Adebayo—6’9 Center
Age: 25

Stats: 20.4 points, 9.4 rebounds, 54.0% FG in 75 games

Contract: $33-37 million per year through 2026

Ratings:

Fit—8 Cost to Acquire—9, Cost to Keep—7, Probability—2


Pascal Siakam—6’9 Power Forward/Center
Age: 29

Stats: 24.2 points, 7.8 rebounds, 5.8 assists, 48.0% FG, 32.4% 3PT in 71 games

Contract: $38 million through 2024

Ratings:

Fit—10, Cost to Acquire—10, Cost to Keep—10, Probability—3

OG Anunoby—6’7 Small Forward
Age: 25

Stats: 16.8 points, 5.0 rebounds, 1.9 steals, 47.6% FG, 38.7% 3PT in 67 games

Contract: $18.6 million through 2024 (player option in 2024-25 that he won’t take)

Ratings:

Fit—9, Cost to Acquire—8, Cost to Keep—7, Probability—4


Jimmy Butler—6’7 Small Forward
Age: 33

Stats: 22.9 points, 5.9 rebounds, 5.3 assists, 53.9% FG, 35.0% 3PT in 64 games

Contract: $45-52 million through 2026

Ratings:

Fit—8, Cost to Acquire—6, Cost to Keep—10, Probability—7


Karl-Anthony Towns—6’11 Forward/Center
Age: 27

Stats: 20.8 points, 8.1 rebounds, 4.8 assists, 49.5% FG, 36.6% 3PT in 29 games

Contract: $36 million through 2024

Ratings:

Fit—6, Cost to Acquire—7, Cost to Keep—8, Probability—6
 
BigGameDamian said:
https://www.blazersedge.com/platfor...a-anunoby-towns-butler-adebayo-siakam-lillard

Evaluating 5 Star Trade Targets for the Trail Blazers This Summer

Who fits, who doesn’t, and what is the price tag?


Bam Adebayo—6’9 Center
Age: 25

Stats: 20.4 points, 9.4 rebounds, 54.0% FG in 75 games

Contract: $33-37 million per year through 2026

Ratings:

Fit—8 Cost to Acquire—9, Cost to Keep—7, Probability—2


Pascal Siakam—6’9 Power Forward/Center
Age: 29

Stats: 24.2 points, 7.8 rebounds, 5.8 assists, 48.0% FG, 32.4% 3PT in 71 games

Contract: $38 million through 2024

Ratings:

Fit—10, Cost to Acquire—10, Cost to Keep—10, Probability—3

OG Anunoby—6’7 Small Forward
Age: 25

Stats: 16.8 points, 5.0 rebounds, 1.9 steals, 47.6% FG, 38.7% 3PT in 67 games

Contract: $18.6 million through 2024 (player option in 2024-25 that he won’t take)

Ratings:

Fit—9, Cost to Acquire—8, Cost to Keep—7, Probability—4


Jimmy Butler—6’7 Small Forward
Age: 33

Stats: 22.9 points, 5.9 rebounds, 5.3 assists, 53.9% FG, 35.0% 3PT in 64 games

Contract: $45-52 million through 2026

Ratings:

Fit—8, Cost to Acquire—6, Cost to Keep—10, Probability—7


Karl-Anthony Towns—6’11 Forward/Center
Age: 27

Stats: 20.8 points, 8.1 rebounds, 4.8 assists, 49.5% FG, 36.6% 3PT in 29 games

Contract: $36 million through 2024

Ratings:

Fit—6, Cost to Acquire—7, Cost to Keep—8, Probability—6
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Assuming that 1) Ant is used an a major piece/salary ballast in acquiring these players, and 2) Grant is kept -> Which lineup is best:

1) Dame, Sharpe, Thybulle, Grant, Bam (with Nurk off the bench)

2) Dame, Sharpe, Grant, Siakam, Nurk

3) Dame, Sharpe, OG, Grant, Nurk

4) Dame, Sharpe, Butler, Grant, Nurk

5) Dame, Sharpe, Grant, KAT, Nurk

Of the 5 possibilities, I personally thing Butler is the best player overall (for the next 2-3 years) and he fits best with the team. Despite his age, Butler is currently a top 10-player in the league (and has been for the last 2 years).

Ideally, we start the season with Dame/Sharpe/Butler/Grant/Nurk and then are able to trade Grant (+ picks) for Siakam when Toronto realizes they will not be able to keep him in FA.

Dame/Sharpe/Butler/Siakam/Nurk is deadly....
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Assuming that 1) Ant is used an a major piece/salary ballast in acquiring these players, and 2) Grant is kept -> Which lineup is best:

1) Dame, Sharpe, Thybulle, Grant, Bam (with Nurk off the bench)

2) Dame, Sharpe, Grant, Siakam, Nurk

3) Dame, Sharpe, OG, Grant, Nurk

4) Dame, Sharpe, Butler, Grant, Nurk

5) Dame, Sharpe, Grant, KAT, Nurk

Of the 5 possibilities, I personally thing Butler is the best player overall (for the next 2-3 years) and he fits best with the team. Despite his age, Butler is currently a top 10-player in the league (and has been for the last 2 years).

Ideally, we start the season with Dame/Sharpe/Butler/Grant/Nurk and then are able to trade Grant (+ picks) for Siakam when Toronto realizes they will not be able to keep him in FA.

Dame/Sharpe/Butler/Siakam/Nurk is deadly....
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Obviously that last lineup is juicy. I vote for # 2 It seems, to me, the most realistic, and i don't see the Blazers doing Grant that way to make the 1st lineup a reality. Jimmy Buckets is super, but not sure on him being a top 10 player . But i do love how he ups his game in the Playoffs.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
I personally thing Butler is the best player overall (for the next 2-3 years) and he fits best with the team. Despite his age, Butler is currently a top 10-player in the league (and has been for the last 2 years).
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Jimmy is expected to make one of the 3 All NBA teams when they're announced, but didn't last year when he only played 54 games. He's a top talent for sure, but he hasn't played in 70 games since 2016-7 and he'll be 34 next season. He's almost done.

STOMP
 
Combining reg season plus playoffs, Dame has played nearly 2000 more minutes in his career than Jimmy.

Butler misses regular season games mostly as a function of load management but he doesn't miss playoff games.

If you think Butler is done, what is Dame?
 
illmatic99 said:
Combining reg season plus playoffs, Dame has played nearly 2000 more minutes in his career than Jimmy.

Butler misses regular season games mostly as a function of load management but he doesn't miss playoff games.

If you think Butler is done, what is Dame?
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Was thinking the same thing, Butler is the best fit out of that group. What this team needs is a player with fire, attitude, and can help give this group an identity. Sign me up for Butler so long as it doesn’t take Dame or Sharpe.
 
Voodoo said:
Was thinking the same thing, Butler is the best fit out of that group. What this team needs is a player with fire, attitude, and can help give this group an identity. Sign me up for Butler so long as it doesn’t take Dame or Sharpe.
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Like... I get it. Thibs put a ton of miles on him but he's a few yrs removed from him where he should be recovered.
 
BigGameDamian said:
I remember before the season it had looked like, and it was reported that Zion had slim down and was looking in shape for the season. I had thought the pelicans got him a chef to keep his diet right I don’t know what went wrong? The guy almost look like looks like he’s been eating big Macs and wiener wraps again.
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At his size he would need to eat about 10 big macs per meal. Its unbelievable how big that dude is.
 
illmatic99 said:
Combining reg season plus playoffs, Dame has played nearly 2000 more minutes in his career than Jimmy.

Butler misses regular season games mostly as a function of load management but he doesn't miss playoff games.

If you think Butler is done, what is Dame?
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"Almost done" vs "If you think Butler is done..."

Butler is certainly towards the tail end. Guys just start falling off in their mid 30's with some very rare exceptions.
 
Would anyone actually want Draymond? I know Dame loves him. I was impressed with him during the Olympics. I don't like the guy as a person.

The main issue is that I don't want to have to match his salary. He's making 27.5 million next year. I'm sure Golden State would dump him for next to nothing, but we're also not really on great terms with the Warriors.
 
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There is no way Golden State would dump him for next to nothing, LOL.
 
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