Trade Idea Realistic trade options for summer of 2023

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B-Roy said:
That Dame + Siakam puts this team in contention? I just don't believe it.
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I believe there are top 10-20 players outside of Siakam, along with a few other win-now moves, that could easily make this a top 4 team in the West.

I don't think Siakam is a top 20 player.
 
Tince said:
I believe there are top 10-20 players outside of Siakam, along with a few other win-now moves, that could easily make this a top 4 team in the West.

I don't think Siakam is a top 20 player.
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Who is the worst player you have in mind that turns this into a top 4 team in the west, just so I have a frame of reference?
 
B-Roy said:
Who is the worst player you have in mind that turns this into a top 4 team in the west, just so I have a frame of reference?
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Great question! Let me think about my top 10 and then come up with the best player outside of that list. Give me a minute!
 
B-Roy said:
Who is the worst player you have in mind that turns this into a top 4 team in the west, just so I have a frame of reference?
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Let's go with this top 10 list...

Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
Stephen Curry
Nikola Joki
Joel Embiid
Jayson Tatum
Luka Dončić
LeBron James
Kawhi Leonard
Dame Lillard
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Morant/Mitchell/Butler/Booker- Talent would probably be enough, but the fit is weird with Ant/Dame. I'd assume after trading Sharpe for Ja level players, the Blazers could get a high quality SF for Ant. Probably enough for them to be top 4.

PG13 - Probably enough talent. Again you have to assume a proper use of the MLE and getting vet min, win now guys.

Jaylen Brown/KAT/Bam/Zion/Ingram/Siakam are all pushing it. Would require other moves, but other moves could certainly be made.

Now, having said all that, simply keeping Sharpe and becoming a top 4 team in the next 10 years without making a handful of quality moves is also unlikely. Like I've said before. Neither path is a great one.
 
Tince said:
Let's go with this top 10 list...

Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
Stephen Curry
Nikola Joki
Joel Embiid
Jayson Tatum
Luka Dončić
LeBron James
Kawhi Leonard
Dame Lillard
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Morant/Mitchell/Butler/Booker- Talent would probably be enough, but the fit is weird with Ant/Dame. I'd assume after trading Sharpe for Ja level players, the Blazers could get a high quality SF for Ant. Probably enough for them to be top 4.

PG13 - Probably enough talent. Again you have to assume a proper use of the MLE and getting vet min, win now guys.

Jaylen Brown/KAT/Bam/Zion/Ingram/Siakam are all pushing it. Would require other moves, but other moves could certainly be made.

Now, having said all that, simply keeping Sharpe and becoming a top 4 team in the next 10 years without making a handful of quality moves is also unlikely. Like I've said before. Neither path is a great one.
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Looking at your list, we're pretty much on the same page here. It's just a matter of semantics.
 
B-Roy said:
Trading Sharpe for anything that's not a current top 10 NBA player is a mistake. I'm sure they would listen to offers, but I sincerely hope he's not on the table for a Siakam level player.

OTOH, it's a pretty wild success that we turned the 7th pick in the draft last year into the most valuable piece on our team not named Damian Lillard. Last summer the pick wasn't even worth OG, and now it's worth more than Siakam.
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Maybe we trade Sharpe for Vlade Divak?
 
I personally believe that Dame needs a very agile center - the opposite of Nurkic. And the team needs a PF thug; Buck Williams type. Let Grant play small forward. So a Center and a 6-9 - 6-10 power forward. Get rid of Nurkic, Little, Winslow and start shopping for Center and PF veterans.
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
I personally believe that Dame needs a very agile center - the opposite of Nurkic. And the team needs a PF thug; Buck Williams type. Let Grant play small forward. So a Center and a 6-9 - 6-10 power forward. Get rid of Nurkic, Little, Winslow and start shopping for Center and PF veterans.
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If the Blazers don't get Wemby at 1, but get the ,say #2-4 pick area, i think that pick with Simons can get you Mikal Bridges. Then trade Nurk to Dallas for a sign & traded Christian Wood (UFA) ,who was hardly used by Jason Kidd as a bench player getting 15 -20 min. per game. Then you could add other key pieces for the bench, like (UFA) Seth Curry.
 
tykendo said:
If the Blazers don't get Wemby at 1, but get the ,say #2-4 pick area, i think that pick with Simons can get you Mikal Bridges. Then trade Nurk to Dallas for a sign & traded Christian Wood (UFA) ,who was hardly used by Jason Kidd as a bench player getting 15 -20 min. per game. Then you could add other key pieces for the bench, like (UFA) Seth Curry.
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No, it won't get Bridges. Please let go of that fantasy. It took the Suns getting a new owner to let go of Bridges. Why? Because he is a seriously good player that is on a phenomenal contract. The Nets were offered four first rounders for him by a team trying to get into the Durant deal. They turned it down. The Nets don't need, want or desire Simons, Nurk or any other trash on our roster. That is the reality of the situation. The Nets want Bridges, move on.
 
I know this was more of a realistic trade for a star thread but I think we should be thinking about trading for Dorian Finney Smith or Royce O’Neal. Maybe even for both of them
 
Terrible trade? Trying to come up with enough to get Bam.

Scoot (if we get the second pick) or Lowry for this year
Sharpe
Barnes
Grant
Bam
 

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Natebishop3 said:
How about our pick, Raptor picks, NYK picks and Simons/Nurk/FVV. They get to clear Robinson off their books.
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I'd probably prefer that!

We'd be still be splitting timelines, but maybe Sharpe will be ready next year?
 
Something about these trades being proposed that presume we've already moved Dame and are flipping what we got for him is making me sick to my stomach. It's really gross like talking about dividing up your dying relatives shit before they are dead.

Anyway a bunch of these scenarios ignore the VanVleet can and likely will opt out of his current deal. That would make him a sign and trade and not eligible to be flipped in a package (or maybe not at all?). Regardless, I think he could get more than 23M on the free agent market.
 
Tince said:
I'd probably prefer that!

We'd be still be splitting timelines, but maybe Sharpe will be ready next year?
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Sharpe/Barnes/Grant/Bam is a nice mix of age. Only thing missing is a true leader. So maybe getting Lowry would fill that hole.
 
tykendo said:
If the Blazers don't get Wemby at 1, but get the ,say #2-4 pick area, i think that pick with Simons can get you Mikal Bridges. Then trade Nurk to Dallas for a sign & traded Christian Wood (UFA) ,who was hardly used by Jason Kidd as a bench player getting 15 -20 min. per game. Then you could add other key pieces for the bench, like (UFA) Seth Curry.
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It’s good. I prefer other options over Woods.
 
wizenheimer said:
so...you trade Dame because you can't build a contender around him, then you build a non-contender
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Sharpe is 19. Barnes is 21. Bam is 25. Grant is 29. That would be the best starting lineup we have had in over a decade.
 
Yes, Barnes, Sharpe, Bam would be a great starting point. I’d feel really good about that with Schmitz involved in the draft as well hypothetically, if you ended up at 5 and 14 in the lottery and hit on Jarace Walker and Grady Dick, you have a very nice young team that could be very good, very quickly. Instead of a one to two year window, you’d expand that to 10 -12

also assets from Nurk and Ant
 
you have to think that if the trail blazers trade dame lillard, it would be to the team of his choosing (contender), given dame lillard certainly deserves that

surely, two teams that he would have on his list are phila & boston and to be honest, id rather trade him to philly to get tyrese maxey (22) than to boston to get jaylen brown (26), cause im all about tanking for a few seasons

maxey & sharpe are a good ones to build around for the future (weve seen sharpe and maxey is even more proven, kid can really score) and we have this years pick, depending on who we draft (guard, wing, center), that could be three guys to build around and i didnt even mentioned simons, as id like to see him traded him too, but not now, let him build his value for another season and then trade him when hes gonna have 2 years left on his contract
 
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Tince said:
Let's go with this top 10 list...

Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
Stephen Curry
Nikola Joki
Joel Embiid
Jayson Tatum
Luka Dončić
LeBron James
Kawhi Leonard
Dame Lillard
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Morant/Mitchell/Butler/Booker- Talent would probably be enough, but the fit is weird with Ant/Dame. I'd assume after trading Sharpe for Ja level players, the Blazers could get a high quality SF for Ant. Probably enough for them to be top 4.

PG13 - Probably enough talent. Again you have to assume a proper use of the MLE and getting vet min, win now guys.

Jaylen Brown/KAT/Bam/Zion/Ingram/Siakam are all pushing it. Would require other moves, but other moves could certainly be made.

Now, having said all that, simply keeping Sharpe and becoming a top 4 team in the next 10 years without making a handful of quality moves is also unlikely. Like I've said before. Neither path is a great one.
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Sadly, that list is a 'two of these things aren't like the others.' 8 of those players are MVPs (Joel could get his this year), multiple time MVPs, or finals/multiple time MVPs. Dame and Doncic are the odd ones out. And out of the 10, only Dame and Curry are under 6'7". Only 3 of them are poor defenders. Sadly, Dame qualifies in each of those 'not like the others' groups.

Then there is trading Sharpe + ??? for any of those. Most of them would be available for what Portland would be willing to offer, so we are either gutting the team to put one of them, or a not even as good as those type of player with perhaps the player on that list that is the least likely to lead a team to a championship. Sadly, I just don't see how it is going to work. Dame might be the leader, but he is going to have to likely be the 2nd best overall player on a team for it to win a title. So we have to get someone that can score 25 ppg, is taller and can play defense to cover for our current lack of D backcourt.

I'm just not show who gets that close to done for Portland with what they have, even with a high lottery pick to throw in. Joel might be one, but you would have to gut the team of all it's future for a guy who has averaged 44 games a season for his career. Giannis isn't available, neither is Tatum, no to Kawhi, Brown won't do it, no to KAT, Zion, Ingram nor Bam would do it, which leaves Siakam who can't shoot from '3', but is good at everything else.

There just are very few players available who would be able to do what is needed and cover for what is missing for what would be left.
 
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