Repealing Obamacare

[Rastapopoulos]

At the same time, a plan from Sens. Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.) and Bill Cassidy (R., La.) that would largely topple most of the ACA is gaining traction among Republicans.

Unless one of those names is Collins, Murkowski or McCain, what does it matter?

 

[Denny Crane]

Unless one of those names is Collins, Murkowski or McCain, what does it matter?

Graham is your hero.

McCain is his buddy.

It ain't over.

 

[barfo]

Graham is your hero.

McCain is his buddy.

It ain't over.

You'll know when it's over, because Denny will say "Buh Bye, Obamacare".

barfo

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Graham is your hero.

Graham Souness, maybe.

Especially when he was in Boys from the Blackstuff:

(Yes, that's Bernard Hill, who went on to play King Theoden in LoTR.)

 

[Rastapopoulos]

You'll know when it's over, because Denny will say "Buh Bye, Obamacare".

barfo

Actually Denny doesn't know it, but he's the new Sisyphus, and that is his eternal curse.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/349462-mccain-backs-graham-cassidy-obamacare-repeal-effort

McCain backs Graham-Cassidy ObamaCare repeal effort

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said Wednesday that he supports a newer version of an ObamaCare repeal-and-replace bill, throwing some support behind the last-ditch effort.

 

[barfo]

But McCain's office subsequently stated that he preferred not to use the GOP's closed repeal process to revamp the health care system. And that appeared to put an end to Republicans' long-sought effort to dismantle President Barack Obama's primary domestic achievement.

Huh Hi, Obamacare!

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...-he-nearly-has-the-votes-for-obamacare-repeal

Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.) is predicting he will win enough votes to pass his last ditch ObamaCare repeal-and-replace bill through the Senate, despite the long odds he seems to be facing.

“I am pretty confident we’ll get there on the Republican side,” Cassidy told a group of reporters in his office on Friday. “We’re probably at 48-49 [votes] and talking to two or three more.”

(McCain said he supports it)

The prospects of the bill passing have alarmed Democratic activists, who are now mobilizing against it.

(Be alarmed!)

 

[dviss1]

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...-he-nearly-has-the-votes-for-obamacare-repeal

Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.) is predicting he will win enough votes to pass his last ditch ObamaCare repeal-and-replace bill through the Senate, despite the long odds he seems to be facing.

“I am pretty confident we’ll get there on the Republican side,” Cassidy told a group of reporters in his office on Friday. “We’re probably at 48-49 [votes] and talking to two or three more.”

(McCain said he supports it)

The prospects of the bill passing have alarmed Democratic activists, who are now mobilizing against it.

(Be alarmed!)

Drumpf isn't going to have many legislative wins before he's impeached. This won't be one of them.

 

[Denny Crane]

Drumpf isn't going to have many legislative wins before he's impeached. This won't be one of them.

We'll see.

The fat lady sure hasn't sung yet. There's another 7+ years of "Drumpf" to go.

 

[stampedehero]

Does it make a difference? They don't have any wonder plan. We are all screwed by Insurance companies AND asinine lawyers no matter what happens.

 

[dviss1]

We'll see.

The fat lady sure hasn't sung yet. There's another 7+ years of "Drumpf" to go.

He'll be gone before the midterms.

 

[dviss1]

Does it make a difference? They don't have any wonder plan. We are all screwed by Insurance companies AND asinine lawyers no matter what happens.

Not if we pass Bernie's Medicare for All.

The insurance companies are the reason WHY there isn't support.

You don't need health insurance. You need healthcare. There's a difference.

 

[Denny Crane]

He'll be gone before the midterms.

Yeah, and Hilliar is going to win the election.

How'd that prediction work out?

 

[dviss1]

Yeah, and Hilliar is going to win the election.

How'd that prediction work out?

Did I predict that? Not sure I did. I certainly didn't vote for her. If you can quote me on that I'll admit it but I don't remember saying that at all.

 

[dviss1]

Yeah, and Hilliar is going to win the election.

How'd that prediction work out?

Look up any of my posts about Hillary. There hasn't been one positive one.

This is only true of the Hillbots.

Newsflash, I'm not a Democrat and I didn't vote for Hillary.

I'm not so sure. There are LOTS of us liberals who were never going to vote for her.

I did my research. Clinton got one vote from me back in 96'. I knew after his administration and when Hillary became a senator I'd never vote for her. But I'm kind of a junkie for politics.

Bro... Fuck Trump...

Bro... Fuck Hillary...

I wouldn't/didn't vote for either of them and my conscious is clear.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Did I predict that? Not sure I did. I certainly didn't vote for her. If you can quote me on that I'll admit it but I don't remember saying that at all.

I didn't find anything on you but found this interesting.

Trump gets my vote if that happens. I would still vote trump if Jeb Bush wins republican primaries. Only way I don't vote trump is if Bernie wins the dem primary

I want drastic change. I'm tired of the last 20 years from politicians that straddle the fence and give false promises

 

[dviss1]

I didn't find anything on you but found this interesting.

Fucking Hillary... Even Mags would've voted for Berns... Bernie would be our president...

Dems SCREWED Bernie and they have lost my vote nationally...

 

[Denny Crane]

The point is Trump defied predictions like yours.

 

[MarAzul]

It is very hard to comprehend why any Americans who get their healthcare coverage through their employment with a self insured employer would prefer paying higher taxes for single payer health care.
They do not pay for health care coverage now except the cost to the employer which is not taxed, but if they receive it instead, it will be taxed. Replacing that with much higher taxes seems self destructive.

Last time I looked it up, over 60% of the people are covered by a self insured employer. Why would you trade that away?

 

[barfo]

It is very hard to comprehend why any Americans who get their healthcare coverage through their employment with a self insured employer would prefer paying higher taxes for single payer health care.
They do not pay for health care coverage now except the cost to the employer which in not taxed but if they receive it instead, it will be taxed. Replacing that with much higher taxes seem self destructive.

Last time I looked it up, over 60% of the people are covered by a self insured employer. Why would you trade that away?

A reasonable expectation would be to increase taxes on employers (so that the net effect on employers is approximately zero - they pay in taxes what they used to pay for insurance). That money can be used to fund the single payer plan.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

what they used to pay for insurance

Self insured employers do not pay for insurance, they pay for health care costs of their employees. Adding a third party like the Federal government certainly is not going to improve the efficiency of the system nor improve access to healthcare for the employees.

Currently the plan is to improve the tax code so that doing business in the US is competitive with rest of the world so that employers do not leave, maybe even come back. Your suggestion is a unrealistic in improving the system and a giant back step in keeping employers here.

 

[barfo]

Self insured employers do not pay for insurance, they pay for health care costs of their employees.

Sure... it's money though, no matter what you want to call it.

Adding a third party like the Federal government certainly is not going to improve the efficiency of the system nor improve access to healthcare for the employees.

It isn't really true that there aren't third parties involved now. My understanding is that most if not all large employers use third party administrative services in order to avoid HIPAA issues (and for other reasons).

Currently the plan is to improve the tax code so that doing business in the US is competitive with rest of the world so that employers do not leave, maybe even come back.

No it isn't. The current plan is to claim that everything will be perfect, then do nothing, then blame it on congress. Same as the healthcare plan, by some strange coincidence.

Your suggestion is a unrealistic in improving the system and a giant back step in keeping employers here.

Incorrect. Most employers would be happy to be freed from the burden of providing healthcare to their employees. It's a giant pain in the ass for an employer.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

Most employers would be happy to be freed from the burden of providing healthcare to their employees. It's a giant pain in the ass for an employer.

Oh you got that part right. At least until they get a look at the tax bill that will replace the current system.

My understanding is that most if not all large employers use third party administrative services in order to avoid HIPAA issues

This is true too. But when they started doing this, it was the start of giant increases in healthcare costs and cost shifting. The big error here was taking the consumer (the employee) out of the system. The no long even know the costs or who will do it better or cheaper. A major intrusion by the government forced employers in this direction.
We need to back the Feds out of the system, not take a bigger bite.

 

[Denny Crane]

Hello ObamaCare!

 

[crandc]

All those rich white people with guaranteed lifetime health care cheering and applauding taking health insurance away from millions of people. I hope they all die of something very painful.

 

[Denny Crane]

All those rich white people with guaranteed lifetime health care cheering and applauding taking health insurance away from millions of people. I hope they all die of something very painful.

Everybody's guaranteed lifetime health care.

 

[dviss1]

Everybody's guaranteed lifetime health care.

WTF does this even mean? Was there a point to be made here? The rich people, who you and I both pay for their health care with our taxes, just cut healthcare for poor people. The fact that people agree with this shit is ludicrous.

 

[julius]

It's now at a point, if this comes thru, that it will be cheaper for people to pay the penalties for not having health care, than it will to actually *have* healthcare.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Not surprising...