Repealing Obamacare (1 Viewer)

[riverman]

few that can't pay

this is where you seem out of touch with the general population....there are millions of those few

 

[Denny Crane]

this is where you seem out of touch with the general population....there are millions of those few

40M is ~10% of everyone.

Far from that many are too poor.

 

[MarAzul]

I lost mine when I retired from the state....what's so unusual about that? They lost their jobs....means benefits too...they all could apply for healthcare though just like I did. If they have no income, it's basically free....I have to pay a bit but as I said....not as much as I did through my old insurance....what you should address is not Obamacare Marz.....it's tort reform and insurance pilfering enormous profits from pharms that cost nothing to manufacture...those 10 dollar pills probably cost a fraction of your cost to make them. Same with Dental care.....my wife's partial plate costs more than my truck....where they factor in the expenses is criminal

What the hell you babbling on about? I am talking about all the people that lost their healthcare because Obama made it a legal alternative to no longer provide healthcare to retirees instead of paying the tax the act imposed. It seem incredible that they want to provide healthcare to some, but would tax the healthcare being provided to others! But they did it and for the most part it cost them their care, except those Obama exempted.

The question was, did you ever hear of a net total change of those that got healthcare? You know, new health care minus those that lost because of Obama care.

"what you should address", this is sort of funny, someone would want to tell me what I should address!! Seems you might have spent one too many years teaching sir. If you don't mind, I will continue to determine what I should address. But no need for this, I did only ask a simple question, looking for a net total.

 

[MarAzul]

only people paying out of pocket have money

Geez! That would be most of the retirees that lost their healthcare. Rather brutal to say "only".

 

[riverman]

Seems you might have spent one too many years teaching sir.

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[MarAzul]

 

[riverman]

We already have a massive welfare state for that.

I'm not in favor of a massive welfare state...but that's not the issue we're discussing...I'm a local...have spent 17 years in public work for the State seeing several hundred Oregonians regularly until the last year and a half......of the americans I know...more have benefited from Oregon Fair Health plan than suffered from Obamacare although I agree it's not a really good system...it's a start...and it starts at the bottom. I don't personally know that many people who have been forced from having health care because of Obamacare....those that are I'm sure have a legitimate gripe..but let's assess the whole not the fragment

 

[riverman]

What the hell you babbling on about?

ESL challenged?

 

[Denny Crane]

From what I could find just now:

https://ballotpedia.org/Health_insurance_policy_cancellations_since_Obamacare

Number of people impacted

• NBC News reported that between 50 percent and 75 percent of the 14 million who buy individual health insurance will likely receive a cancellation notice in the next year because their current plans do not meet the requirements of Obamacare.[4]
• CBS News reported that more than two million Americans have been told they cannot renew their current insurance policies.[11]
• The administration knew in July 2010 that more than 40 percent to 67 percent would likely not be able to keep their existing policies.[4]
• Health policy consultant Robert Laszewski estimated 80 percent of individual insurance buyers would have to find new policies which would require more benefits and a higher price tag.[4]
• According to the Washington Post, as of October 19, 2013, the enrollment numbers for people using Healthcare.gov exchanges to sign up for individual plans was about 476,000, meaning more people have received letters canceling their plans than have enrolled in new plans due to the struggling website. The first official report on enrollment in the federal exchanges was expected to be released November 15, 2013.[12]

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm not in favor of a massive welfare state...but that's not the issue we're discussing...I'm a local...have spent 17 years in public work for the State seeing several hundred Oregonians regularly until the last year and a half......of the americans I know...more have benefited from Oregon Fair Health plan than suffered from Obamacare although I agree it's not a really good system...it's a start...and it starts at the bottom. I don't personally know that many people who have been forced from having health care because of Obamacare....those that are I'm sure have a legitimate gripe..but let's assess the whole not the fragment

75% of 14M lost insurance. Thanks Obama!

 

[riverman]

It's going to be a total shit storm when they go to repeal it...this is just beginning....and it'll be because of Trump that it gets cancelled.....my investments bumped me off last summer and I had to reapply in the market place....it's not a big deal to do that....I expect we'll see more and more lower income people stopping health care entirely when it's not required for a tax return

 

[MarAzul]

those that are I'm sure have a legitimate gripe..but let's assess the whole not the fragment

Horse shit dude! That sort of crap should not be and it would not, if the fuckers stuck with being restrained to the business authorized in the Constitution.
Horse shit it is, to screw people in the process of helping those you wish to help, no matter who the fuck you are.

 

[riverman]

75% of 14M lost insurance. Thanks Obama!

what this means is those folks lost their insurance from work....just like I did...and with a Fair Health Plan...they can reapply just like I did.....The Rose Garden is now the Moda Center but it's still a basketball stadium. It naturally caused people the inconvenience of changing and filling out forms...making some phone calls and reading up on options. In many of those cases...a better company would have kept and insured their workforce......a lot of wealthy business owners hated the Obama era enough to use refusal to insure as a fuck you Obama pledge

 

[Denny Crane]

what this means is those folks lost their insurance from work....just like I did...and with a Fair Health Plan...they can reapply just like I did.....The Rose Garden is now the Moda Center but it's still a basketball stadium. It naturally caused people the inconvenience of changing and filling out forms...making some phone calls and reading up on options. In many of those cases...a better company would have kept and insured their workforce......

No, that 14M is individually insured.

 

[MarAzul]

this is just beginning....and it'll be because of Trump that it gets cancelled

Yes, and now it seem it will be your turn. It's bitch! We should not be here! But you can not watch a few get fuck, and expect to never be next.

 

[Denny Crane]

Paul Ryan was talking tax credits. Poor people get a check IF they pay for health care or insurance.

Next?

 

[riverman]

Horse shit dude! That sort of crap should not be and it would not, if the fuckers stuck with being restrained to the business authorized in the Constitution

We deal the cards we're dealt Marz.....I didn't invent this shit, nor you...America is now a bit more complicated social science than it was when it was 13 colonies on the eastern seaboard

 

[MarAzul]

America is now a bit more complicated social science than it was when it was 13 colonies on the eastern seaboard

Bull shit. That's what people say when they know what they want will not pass muster, so they ignore the amendment process and say shit like you just did.

 

[riverman]

, and now it seem it will be your turn

I'm not victimized by govt ever.....I can improvise pretty well. I work for the disabled for very little compensation....no health care or vacation pay...but don't complain...I chose to do what I do and it has other rewards....let's say I work with people who could bitch about more than any of us ever could, yet they are the most gracious, thankful folks around. It's humbling. If Senior disabled services loses funding under Trump, it'll really piss me off.

 

[riverman]

when they know what they want will not pass muster

You and I know different people....I'm not asking for anything....but you seem really fearful of the state of the country..

 

[riverman]

so the ignore the amendment process and say shit like you just did.

I never said any such thing but hey.....according to you I'm babbling so wouldn't expect you to respect my opinions...talk about the subject and back off the judgements man......people like you is not a good way to start a thought...just a hint

 

[stampedehero]

What the republicans did was just like assuming your spare is inflated when you break down in the middle of a snowstorm in Portland. We have a shitstorm comin on due to these reactionaries in thousand dollar suits

 

[stampedehero]

Heh? I don't believe the AMA ever crafted a marketable health insurance policy.

It may have been Blue Cross but I don't know for sure who sold the first original policies. They were matching up a healthy risk pool to insure the members from possible high cost of low risk possibilities. When you change that to a standard risk pool, it no longer is worth the cost to the consumer.

Employers were first to provide healthcare coverage to their employees by self insuring the risk. By the nature of their hiring practices (healthy people), they create a natural low risk pool, so self insuring is possible. At first insurance companies were not involved at all in this process. When I first started work at IBM, no insurance company was involved, doctors and hospitals or whatever had to even know about what coverage I had. I paid the bills directly (or my wife did) and IBM reimbursed me when a hospital bill was turned in or when other medical cost exceeded $180 in any 15 month period. They was no opportunity for the cost shifting of expense from non payers to the insured by this system. I worked great!!! The last time I heard, it cost them 52% of the cost of buying insurance, to self insure.

Insurance companies wiggled in over time to manage these plans, fucking it up greatly over time.

AMA was a Johnny come lately to the process, never really bringing a contribution.

Did you work at IBM in 1961?

 

[barfo]

>> It hasn't happened yet. Like I told you, I got the scuttle butt from my new VA provider, that it is going to happen.

Oh, I see. You were reporting a rumor. Your post did not make that clear.

barfo

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

It's going to be a total shit storm when they go to repeal it...this is just beginning....and it'll be because of Trump that it gets cancelled.....my investments bumped me off last summer and I had to reapply in the market place....it's not a big deal to do that....I expect we'll see more and more lower income people stopping health care entirely when it's not required for a tax return

how long has it been around now, two years? and everyone's costs went up and benefits went down. TOTAL SHAM!

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

They didn't even read it and passed that shit yo

 

[MarAzul]

Oh, I see. You were reporting a rumor. Your post did not make that clear.

barfo

Forgive me. I thought that was the normal understanding of "The scuttle butt is".

 

[MarAzul]

Did you work at IBM in 1961?

Yes.

 

[riverman]

They didn't even read it and passed that shit yo

It needs an overhaul but it has not raised my costs and the benefits for my wife are way lower than through work....it's business owners that got stuck with a bloated overhead increase....that's why we got stuck with Trump...now let's see what he does to fix it...at least he's saying he will. With all the CEOs in his cabinet he'll make that his priority....so he says...we'll see. I don't think it should be a requirement to have insurance in order to file an income tax return...that's just wrong

 

[riverman]

Forgive me. I thought that was the normal understanding of "The scuttle butt is".

barfo is a fake pirate Marz