Repealing Obamacare

[Denny Crane]

Nobody's praying that millions will soon lose health care.

Geez. How low do these butt hurt sore losers need to go?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

What is it with this country and abortion? Are we seriously supposed to believe that we should value a fertilized human egg on the level of an adult human? How bout this: there's a fire in the fertility clinic. At the end of the corridor on the left is a tray containing 100 fertilized eggs, awaiting implantation. At the end of the corridor on the right is a colleague of yours, passed out because of the smoke. You can rescue the tray or the person. I say if you pick the tray you're a monster.

ALSO: talking of fertility clinics, amazing how "okay" with them the anti-abortioners are, considering how many "people" they create and destroy on a regular basis. Where are the holocaust analogies? Where are the calls to ban fertility clinics? Could it be that the anti-abortion outcry isn't really because of a love for life but because of a desire to control women? Surely not.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Nobody's praying that millions will soon lose health care.

Geez. How low do these butt hurt sore losers need to go?

Not as low as the people celebrating removal of a program that demonstrably saves lives with no plan to replace it.

 

[Denny Crane]

Not as low as the people celebrating removal of a program that demonstrably saves lives with no plan to replace it.

No plan yet.

But thanks for playing.

What we do know is the current plan is a failed one and is only going to get worse if something isn't done. Not much of anything promised about it has come true.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Denny Crane]

What is it with this country and abortion? Are we seriously supposed to believe that we should value a fertilized human egg on the level of an adult human? How bout this: there's a fire in the fertility clinic. At the end of the corridor on the left is a tray containing 100 fertilized eggs, awaiting implantation. At the end of the corridor on the right is a colleague of yours, passed out because of the smoke. You can rescue the tray or the person. I say if you pick the tray you're a monster.

ALSO: talking of fertility clinics, amazing how "okay" with them the anti-abortioners are, considering how many "people" they create and destroy on a regular basis. Where are the holocaust analogies? Where are the calls to ban fertility clinics? Could it be that the anti-abortion outcry isn't really because of a love for life but because of a desire to control women? Surely not.

Shoot a woman and kill her fetus, it's murder.

Square that.

 

[Denny Crane]

hahahahahahaha

bullshit.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

No plan yet.

Do you realize how pathetic that is? Republicans have been trying to get rid of the ACA for EIGHT FUCKING YEARS. And they've claimed to have a plan for just that long. But they don't. Incompetent, or just lying?

But thanks for playing.

For the love of God, Denny, try to sound a bit less like someone from the '50s. Of course, that kind of fits your attitudes and policies.

 

[Denny Crane]

Do you realize how pathetic that is? Republicans have been trying to get rid of the ACA for EIGHT FUCKING YEARS. And they've claimed to have a plan for just that long. But they don't. Incompetent, or just lying?



For the love of God, Denny, try to sound a bit less like someone from the '50s. Of course, that kind of fits your attitudes and policies.

It's not pathetic. Opposition to anything good is. As are your twitterers and tweets.

But keep 'em coming.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Shoot a woman and kill her fetus, it's murder.

Square that.

Where to begin. It's only murder if it says so in law. If indeed there is a law to that effect (I'm willing to believe that somewhere there is, especially as in Indiana they've got a pending bill that assigns personhood to a fertilized ovum, but I'm also willing to believe you're pulling it out of your butt.) It's entirely possible that the law got passed as a way to indicate the seriousness of the offense, but if it was challenged it would be found unconstitutional.

But good job on completely failing to respond to my points. And in failing to see the difference between "moral" and "legal". And in general, in failing.

 

[blue32]

It's not pathetic. Opposition to anything good is. As are your twitterers and tweets.

But keep 'em coming.

Oh, I am sure he will. They're holding onto anything, anything at this point, even if it does bite off half their fingers.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

It's not pathetic. Opposition to anything good is. As are your twitterers and tweets.

Have you given up on making any sense?

But keep 'em coming.

And you go cut a rug, hepcat.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Denny Crane]

Where to begin. It's only murder if it says so in law. If indeed there is a law to that effect (I'm willing to believe that somewhere there is, especially as in Indiana they've got a pending bill that assigns personhood to a fertilized ovum, but I'm also willing to believe you're pulling it out of your butt.) It's entirely possible that the law got passed as a way to indicate the seriousness of the offense, but if it was challenged it would be found unconstitutional.

But good job on completely failing to respond to my points. And in failing to see the difference between "moral" and "legal". And in general, in failing.

So law matters.

What do you know!

http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx

Currently, at least 38 states have fetal homicide laws. The states include: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia;and>Wisconsin>. At least 23 states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy ("any state of gestation," "conception," "fertilization" or "post-fertilization"); these are indicated below with an asterisk (*).

 

[Denny Crane]

 

[Denny Crane]

Nobody died of no coverage.

Nobody at all.

About half a million die in hospitals from errors.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa1212321

The Oregon Experiment — Effects of Medicaid on Clinical Outcomes

RESULTS
We found no significant effect of Medicaid coverage on the prevalence or diagnosis of hypertension or high cholesterol levels or on the use of medication for these conditions. Medicaid coverage significantly increased the probability of a diagnosis of diabetes and the use of diabetes medication, but we observed no significant effect on average glycated hemoglobin levels or on the percentage of participants with levels of 6.5% or higher. Medicaid coverage decreased the probability of a positive screening for depression (−9.15 percentage points; 95% confidence interval, −16.70 to −1.60; P=0.02), increased the use of many preventive services, and nearly eliminated catastrophic out-of-pocket medical expenditures.

CONCLUSIONS
This randomized, controlled study showed that Medicaid coverage generated no significant improvements in measured physical health outcomes in the first 2 years, but it did increase use of health care services, raise rates of diabetes detection and management, lower rates of depression, and reduce financial strain.

 

[MarAzul]

Good news from my VA provider!

The VA pharmacy will begin price matching drugs with Walmart and a few other big pharmacies. The VA has for years fixed the price of prescriptions for 90 days at $24 dollars. Pretty darn good
for some of the real expensive stuff, but not worth a damn for the run of the mill stuff many need. I take three different prescription, each cost $10 bucks at Walmart. Yeah! Now the VA
can mail this stuff to me and I need not run the 50 miles to BiMart (price matches Walmart) to get the stuff.

The scuttle butt is, Trumps newly appointed Director for the VA has long wanted to change this. Bang! It's going down.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Good news from my VA provider!

The VA pharmacy will begin price matching drugs with Walmart and a few other big pharmacies. The VA has for years fixed the price of prescriptions for 90 days at $24 dollars. Pretty darn good
for some of the real expensive stuff, but not worth a damn for the run of the mill stuff many need. I take three different prescription, each cost $10 bucks at Walmart. Yeah! Now the VA
can mail this stuff to me and I need not run the 50 miles to BiMart (price matches Walmart) to get the stuff.

The scuttle but is, Trumps newly appointed Director for the VA has long wanted to change this. Bang! It's going down.

Thank you for your service to our country.

 

[barfo]

Good news from my VA provider!

The VA pharmacy will begin price matching drugs with Walmart and a few other big pharmacies. The VA has for years fixed the price of prescriptions for 90 days at $24 dollars. Pretty darn good
for some of the real expensive stuff, but not worth a damn for the run of the mill stuff many need. I take three different prescription, each cost $10 bucks at Walmart. Yeah! Now the VA
can mail this stuff to me and I need not run the 50 miles to BiMart (price matches Walmart) to get the stuff.

The scuttle but is, Trumps newly appointed Director for the VA has long wanted to change this. Bang! It's going down.

So anything the Obama administration does that you like, you attribute to Trump?

And, I suppose, after January 20th, anything the Trump administration does that you don't like, will be Obama's fault?

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

So anything the Obama administration does that you like, you attribute to Trump?

>> It hasn't happened yet. Like I told you, I got the scuttle butt from my new VA provider, that it is going to happen. Nothing to do with Obama.

I suppose, after January 20th, anything the Trump administration does that you don't like, will be Obama's fault?

No, but you can keep watch.

 

[riverman]

Not much of anything promised about it has come true

Not to you, but to a lot of folks it has been a life saver whether it fits with your GNP guidelines or not....20 million people have access that didn't...some with preexisting conditions....Trump said he will leave several of the pieces of the healthcare law intact...if he doesn't....there will be a lot of angry americans bumped off their treatments....not a great way to make America great again...until they have something better, which they don't yet.....they should change some of it. Obama said if Trump can tweak it and make it better, he'll lobby for it......that's a man of character

 

[MarAzul]

20 million people have access that didn't

Did you ever hear of an accounting that tallies up the net? You say 20 that didn't, but I know millions lost there healthcare. Did you ever get a net difference number?

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

What is it with this country and abortion? Are we seriously supposed to believe that we should value a fertilized human egg on the level of an adult human? How bout this: there's a fire in the fertility clinic. At the end of the corridor on the left is a tray containing 100 fertilized eggs, awaiting implantation. At the end of the corridor on the right is a colleague of yours, passed out because of the smoke. You can rescue the tray or the person. I say if you pick the tray you're a monster.

ALSO: talking of fertility clinics, amazing how "okay" with them the anti-abortioners are, considering how many "people" they create and destroy on a regular basis. Where are the holocaust analogies? Where are the calls to ban fertility clinics? Could it be that the anti-abortion outcry isn't really because of a love for life but because of a desire to control women? Surely not.

If the colleague leans to the left, the eggs get fried. If the colleague leans to the right.....? Well, let's just say the colleague is unlikely to be missed......did I get it correctly????

 

[riverman]

but I know millions lost there healthcare

you must really get around Marz......you know millions that lost healthcare? wow....ok...if they did, they probably had options compared to the folks that couldn't afford it originally but hey....my wife and I had to shop in the marketplace and she now has completed her dental work that was put off for years...thanks Obama! I had insurance before I retired from the state but actually paid more for my wife and son's addition to my healthcare than I pay for all of us now under Oregon Fair Health plan.....so you can say you know a guy who really didn't lose under the system

 

[MarAzul]

you must really get around Marz

Oh, I wouldn't say I get around. But I do know of several companies where the retirees lost there healthcare. Just the few companies I know of means millions of people, most of them can not buy insurance like they were provided. Then there are other where they lost it at work.

But getting back to the point, you always hear how many gained access! Did you ever hear the final net difference?

Those that got fuck with losing is a different subject that I would rather not try to discuss on here because it piss me off no end that it's ok to fuck some for the benefit of those you want to help. That should get you war!

 

[riverman]

But I do know of several companies where the retirees lost there healthcare

I lost mine when I retired from the state....what's so unusual about that? They lost their jobs....means benefits too...they all could apply for healthcare though just like I did. If they have no income, it's basically free....I have to pay a bit but as I said....not as much as I did through my old insurance....what you should address is not Obamacare Marz.....it's tort reform and insurance pilfering enormous profits from pharms that cost nothing to manufacture...those 10 dollar pills probably cost a fraction of your cost to make them. Same with Dental care.....my wife's partial plate costs more than my truck....where they factor in the expenses is criminal

 

[Denny Crane]

Not to you, but to a lot of folks it has been a life saver whether it fits with your GNP guidelines or not....20 million people have access that didn't...some with preexisting conditions....Trump said he will leave several of the pieces of the healthcare law intact...if he doesn't....there will be a lot of angry americans bumped off their treatments....not a great way to make America great again...until they have something better, which they don't yet.....they should change some of it. Obama said if Trump can tweak it and make it better, he'll lobby for it......that's a man of character

You realize that $10,000 a year in premiums with a $10,000 deductible does very few people any good. They're paying out of pocket for doctors and meds.

Write checks to the very few and we save money and get the same result.

$300/mo in meds at full price is 1/3 the total premium. $6400 covers dozens of doctor visits and lab bills.

 

[riverman]

They're paying out of pocket

only people paying out of pocket have money to do so....those without..the poor, orphaned, homeless, mentally ill, disabled etc are left out in the cold...

 

[Denny Crane]

only people paying out of pocket have money to do so....those without..the poor, orphaned, homeless, mentally ill, disabled etc are left out in the cold...

Write checks for the few that can't pay. We already have a massive welfare state for that. And Obama gutted Medicare for $500B, use that.