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durvasa said:
The rule of "verticality" is kind of a universal basketball rule. Defensive players are allowed their space, even if they are jumping up in the air. If they go straight up, it is not a foul against them when the offensive player draws contact. Outside the restricted area, this can legitimately be called an offensive foul. In the restricted area, it is a no call (unless the defender is not jumping up to the contest the shot, in which case its a blocking foul). This is how I've understood the rules for years, and its what the local broadcasters here have said the officials tell the teams. If you've heard differently, let me know.
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Actions > Words especially unwritten words

I often watch games with the sound off listening to music as many announcers (including Portland's) seem to just to blather on with anything to fill their airtime. What I mostly go on is what I see and that doesn't agree with what you're saying is the unwritten rule. Driving players do barrel into defenders who are going strait up and it's usually a blocking foul and even moreso when the defender is jumping... thats why the driving player does it.

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
Actions > Words especially unwritten words

I often watch games with the sound off listening to music as many announcers (including Portland's) seem to just to blather on with anything to fill their airtime. What I mostly go on is what I see and that doesn't agree with what you're saying is the unwritten rule. Driving players do barrel into defenders who are going strait up and it's usually a blocking foul and even moreso when the defender is jumping... thats why the driving player does it.

STOMP
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No sound? So you don't hear Lamarcus Aldridge yelling "ahhhhhhhhhhh" everytime he shoots a fadeaway jumper? That's how he lets us know he was fouled!!

P.S. Does that ever work? Does an official ever hear a guy yell and say, "oh, I guess he WAS fouled - better blow my whistle"???
 
STOMP said:
Actions > Words especially unwritten words

I often watch games with the sound off listening to music as many announcers (including Portland's) seem to just to blather on with anything to fill their airtime. What I mostly go on is what I see and that doesn't agree with what you're saying is the unwritten rule. Driving players do barrel into defenders who are going strait up and it's usually a blocking foul and even moreso when the defender is jumping... thats why the driving player does it.

STOMP
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I have no idea what you're seeing, or even if you know what you're seeing, so I can't comment on that. What I have seen and read actually is consistent with what the 08-09 Referee Guide right off NBA.com says, and what a number of people close to NBA teams have reported regarding pre-season official-team meetings.
 
retroblazers said:
apparently he's not a pg, and can't get the ball into yao when he's being fronted. him making big shots doesn't negate his TO's towards the end of the game. same reasons we love/hate blake.
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Aaron Brooks is wayyyyyy overrated by a lot of you guys. Yes, he's had a couple good games, but in the final month of the season, he only averaged 9.9 ppg & 2.5 apg (1.75 tpg)! Blake is steadier than that and over the course of the series, you will see that. You guys would HATE Brooks if he was our starting PG.
 
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KingSpeed said:
Aaron Brooks is wayyyyyy overrated by a lot of you guys. Yes, he's had a couple good games, but in the final month of the season, he only averaged 9.9 ppg & 2.5 apg (1.75 tpg)! Blake is steadier than that and over the course of the series, you will see that. You guys would HATE Brooks if he was our starting PG.
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Brooks is not nearly as good as he's been in this series. The Blazers just don't match up well with him.
 
Kaydow said:
P.S. Does that ever work? Does an official ever hear a guy yell and say, "oh, I guess he WAS fouled - better blow my whistle"???
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Sometimes if a star player complains vehemently enough, another official will run over, the two officials will confer and change the call.
 
Minstrel said:
Sometimes if a star player complains vehemently enough, another official will run over, the two officials will confer and change the call.
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The ref running over is what we call the "Designated Fixer". :devilwink:
 
maxiep said:
I saw the play. Oden had his arm out and Yao made the smart veteran play of putting his arm over Oden's and pinning Oden's arm between his arm and his body. After he pinned it, Oden tried to get it out and Yao rotated his body around, thereby moving Oden. The whistle was blown on Oden and Yao continued to pin Oden's arm under his armpit. Oden gave him a small demonstration of how strong he is, no big deal. That was just a little tap. One day you'll see Oden really push him. Then you'll notice the difference.
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I'm hoping it's next game.
 
I was just perusing the Rockets forum. I really couldn’t help myself. Naturally, 98% of the posters believed they got jobbed by the refs and blame them for game 2’s loss.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/forumdisplay.php?f=9

There’s an official “I hate Joel Pryzbilla Thread.” Also, they seem to have taken MAJOR offense that Blazers fans/announcers referred to Joel and Greg as the “twin towers.” Their main gripe seems to be that Joel and Oden havn't earned it yet, both offensively and defensively. Maybe there's a bit of truth to that... from an offensive perspective.

I would have embedded some direct quotes, but I just took nyquil and my brain can't figure it out.
 
Penitentiary Face said:
I was just perusing the Rockets forum. I really couldn’t help myself. Naturally, 98% of the posters believed they got jobbed by the refs and blame them for game 2’s loss.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/forumdisplay.php?f=9

There’s an official “I hate Joel Pryzbilla Thread.” Also, they seem to have taken MAJOR offense that Blazers fans/announcers referred to Joel and Greg as the “twin towers.” Their main gripe seems to be that Joel and Oden havn't earned it yet, both offensively and defensively. Maybe there's a bit of truth to that... from an offensive perspective.

I would have embedded some direct quotes, but I just took nyquil and my brain can't figure it out.
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Wow just wow...... I realize that we whine about the refs a lot.... but holy shit that's a lot of whining. That's epic whinging. They make Laker fans look classy in that thread.
 
durvasa said:
I have no idea what you're seeing, or even if you know what you're seeing, so I can't comment on that. What I have seen and read actually is consistent with what the 08-09 Referee Guide right off NBA.com says, and what a number of people close to NBA teams have reported regarding pre-season official-team meetings.
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hey, I don't know if your face has ever seen the light of day from it's normal habitat... true story! I do know that I linked the rules and you referenced some sort of innuendo of unwritten rules and a secret memo that you claimed dictated a series years back... sounds like an X-files episode.

whatever dude...

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Penitentiary Face said:
I was just perusing the Rockets forum. I really couldn’t help myself. Naturally, 98% of the posters believed they got jobbed by the refs and blame them for game 2’s loss.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/forumdisplay.php?f=9

There’s an official “I hate Joel Pryzbilla Thread.” Also, they seem to have taken MAJOR offense that Blazers fans/announcers referred to Joel and Greg as the “twin towers.” Their main gripe seems to be that Joel and Oden havn't earned it yet, both offensively and defensively. Maybe there's a bit of truth to that... from an offensive perspective.

I would have embedded some direct quotes, but I just took nyquil and my brain can't figure it out.
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don't worry about clutchfans. it's garbage. and it's huge. much bigger than here which means many more dumb people. i mean right now at 2am houston time there are 187 members logged in.
 
What are the better HOU boards? I am registered on clutchfans but I'm a Portland fan so I don't want to get flamed or post anything too controversial on their board... Is there any other one out there?
 
BengalDuck said:
What are the better HOU boards? I am registered on clutchfans but I'm a Portland fan so I don't want to get flamed or post anything too controversial on their board... Is there any other one out there?
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i don't really know of other ones. some of the other rockets posters here or at bbf might be able to help you, but i'm not sure. i posted at clutchfans a little bit years ago, but never really liked the place. i prefer places with fans of other teams there as well.
 
It's bizarre how nobody in Houston seemed to care about "Flopzilla" until we actually won a game against them in the playoffs. More than anything, their complaining makes them appear nervous and uneasy.

And how bad is it that they are all pretty much basing their stance on Joel after watching 2 games? As far as I'm concerned you cannot pass judgment on a player until you have watched them enough or they clearly show a history path of consistent behavior. I don't think Joel has done the latter and I don't think the Houston fans have watched enough blazer games this year to give him a fair shake.

But it's the playoffs and as far as I'm concerned we're clearly at war with Houston now.

Does Przybilla flop THAT much though? It makes me wonder if I'm more homerish than I initially thought because I don't think he flops very often; rather, he frequently places himself in a good defensive spot on the floor. He uses his body better than nearly everyone else at his position.

Then again, if I was guarding Yao in a playoff series I would also probably try to flop a few times since I wouldn't be able to defend him the whole game anyway.
 
i don't think he flops that much, but instead is a very heady defensive player that over the last couple years has gotten a rep for standing his ground and taking charges. taking a charge and flopping, despite what shaq will tell you, are two different things. joel gets in good position and takes a blow to the chest and goes down, that is a charge. now on yao's fourth the other night, he flopped but only after he had been shoved in the back a few times on rebounds and couldn't get the calls.

i love how they are calling him out over there for being a pussy, but don't realize the guy trains in kickboxing in the offseason and would beat the shit out of any one of them if they wanted to get in the ring with him.
 
bigbailes said:
i don't think he flops that much, but instead is a very heady defensive player that over the last couple years has gotten a rep for standing his ground and taking charges. taking a charge and flopping, despite what shaq will tell you, are two different things. joel gets in good position and takes a blow to the chest and goes down, that is a charge. now on yao's fourth the other night, he flopped but only after he had been shoved in the back a few times on rebounds and couldn't get the calls.

i love how they are calling him out over there for being a pussy, but don't realize the guy trains in kickboxing in the offseason and would beat the shit out of any one of them if they wanted to get in the ring with him.
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That's the part I like too. I don't think these guys realize who Joel is!
 
Guide to flopping:

If you like the player, or he's on your favourite team, he's "framing the foul."
If you don't like the player, or he's on the opposing team, he flopped.
 
Yeah, Joel flops a lot. He does it because it works. Players who don't flop get fouled all the time without it being called. I hate that the refs call it this way, but as long as they do players will do it. I don't really see it as much different than Yao locking Odens arm then turning and flailing like he's been pushed. It works, and helps your team win. It's on the Refs (who do have a tough job on these types of thing, I don't deny that) to not fall for it.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Their photoshop the playoffs thread was amusing; this was the best find:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt184/amandusvb/blazerspast.jpg
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Awesome.

Here's the image for those too lazy to click:

blazerspast.jpg
 
Foulzilla said:
Yeah, Joel flops a lot. He does it because it works. Players who don't flop get fouled all the time without it being called. I hate that the refs call it this way, but as long as they do players will do it. I don't really see it as much different than Yao locking Odens arm then turning and flailing like he's been pushed. It works, and helps your team win. It's on the Refs (who do have a tough job on these types of thing, I don't deny that) to not fall for it.
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Bingo.
 
Sorry, but I associate flopping with players who go down from the very slightest touch. Joel only goes down to emphasize an actual foul. When have we ever seen Joel go down in the lane because some 5'9 guard barely bumped him? How many times have we seen big players like Dirk go down like they were shot after a little guy barely touches them? Joel does not flop.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Sorry, but I associate flopping with players who go down from the very slightest touch. Joel only goes down to emphasize an actual foul. When have we ever seen Joel go down in the lane because some 5'9 guard barely bumped him? How many times have we seen big players like Dirk go down like they were shot after a little guy barely touches them? Joel does not flop.
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We saw it when Yao barely touched him to get Yao's 4th foul. We saw it on a no call when Aaron Brooks got position on Przy and Joel went down like he had been shot.

You can still be a Blazer fan and acknowledge Joel is a shameless flopper. Sadly, you have to sell calls in this league.
 
Yao likes to turn with them big elbows to Joel's head and then he flails like he is being hit. I hate flopping and I hate teams that spend more time trying to draw fouls than play. Houston has done a lot of that the first few games and I was suprised how many calls they got on the road. At home they will be about impossible to stop unless we get Steve Javie as a ref.

Remember when they discussed calling T's for flopping last summer? That never happened... and I don't think it can because they refs buy it just about every time. They have stopped calling what they actually see and instead call the reaction. That is why they can't spot flopping.
 
yeah you were supposed to get fined for flopping too..
 
joel flops on occasion(and even more when going up against a huge guy like yao), but i don't agree at all with the assessment that he flops all the time or would be one of the biggest floppers in the league.

i mean, scola flops more often than joel.
 
Foulzilla said:
Yeah, Joel flops a lot. He does it because it works. Players who don't flop get fouled all the time without it being called. I hate that the refs call it this way, but as long as they do players will do it. I don't really see it as much different than Yao locking Odens arm then turning and flailing like he's been pushed. It works, and helps your team win. It's on the Refs (who do have a tough job on these types of thing, I don't deny that) to not fall for it.
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I think Joel flops more than the average player but I actually don't believe he flops that much. If you watch replays of when he does "flop" it's usually when he's completely set and someone barreled into him. Now the one w/ Yao in Game 2, that was an obvious flop. But I think Joel almost has to add some extra drama to his falls because otherwise no one would believe that a 7' player could be "charged".
 
It is rather stupid that you have to fall on the ground before they will call a foul. They let the bumping go unless someone falls on the ground. Bump bump bump... nothing. They could end it if they would just call fouls on the bumping. It used to be a foul. Watch old time games... there was no bumping in the low post like that. Then with Shaq they just started letting you use your butt as a weapon. The other thing they always let go is that you can pretty much run over someone during a spin move. Shaq is the best example... he can't go around... and he may get called for offensive foul if bumping... but if he spins and moves toward the hoop at the same time... never and offensive foul.

Now... since we have our own dominating low post center coming along I hope they don't change the rules.
 
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