OT Roe V Wade In Trouble

[Orion Bailey]

You can't generate income by having kids unless you make them work for you.

Kids cost more than any government benefit provides.

not true in all cases. I specifically know a person who had a fourth child that increased her government subsidy by more than it cost on average for the third child. Creating a net green on the fourth child.

 

[ABM]

Right. You just vote for people who are...

There are many, many reasons to vote for President.

 

[ABM]

Yes. Did you read the links sly posted?

The Australian ones from 2008? Yes. What a great find that was!

 

[Hoopguru]

You can't generate income by having kids unless you make them work for you.

Kids cost more than any government benefit provides.

Ive spent time traveling through the south and there are gals of all races down there popping out babies to increase their welfare checks.

 

[barfo]

There are many, many reasons to vote for President.

Sure. But you went to some lengths to insist that you were (are?) a single issue voter.

barfo

 

[ABM]

Ive spent time traveling through the south and there are gals of all races down there popping out babies to increase their welfare checks.

 

[ABM]

Sure. But you went to some lengths to insist that you were (are?) a single issue voter.

barfo

There a stark difference between the government pressing towards abortion, and abortion rights........and not.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Sure. But you went to some lengths to insist that you were (are?) a single issue voter.

barfo

does that matter when so many say if you voted for a person you support racism????
Or if you vote republican you are for taking womens rights away?


Dont act like this forum only singles out single issue voters as a problem…

its been pretty clear here for several years you are “this” if you voted for that person, Period.

 

[barfo]

does that matter when so many say if you voted for a person you support racism????
Or if you vote republican you are for taking womens rights away?


Dont act like this forum only singles out single issue voters as a problem…

its been pretty clear here for several years you are “this” if you voted for that person, Period.

Does it matter if ABM is a one-issue voter? No, it does not matter.

Is it puzzling that he claims that there are 'many, many reasons to vote for a President' when it was pointed out to him that he votes solely for anti-abortion candidates? Yes, it is puzzling.

Does your attempt to change the subject matter? No, it does not matter.

barfo

 

[barfo]

There a stark difference between the government pressing towards abortion, and abortion rights........and not.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Are you trying to justify being an anti-abortion voter, or denying that you are one?

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

Does it matter if ABM is a one-issue voter? No, it does not matter.

Is it puzzling that he claims that there are 'many, many reasons to vote for a President' when it was pointed out to him that he votes solely for anti-abortion candidates? Yes, it is puzzling.

Does your attempt to change the subject matter? No, it does not matter.

barfo

who's changing the subject? You have a conversation with him and now I'm entering one with you.

No one is changing anything.

Or are you trying to say he is the only single issue voter you have a problem with and no others? And if you do have an issue with others, refer back to my first reply to you…

I didn't change the subject i asked about consistency regarding the post you made.

Nice job avoiding my questions though.

 

[ABM]

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Are you trying to justify being an anti-abortion voter, or denying that you are one?

barfo

What's an anti-abortion voter in your mind?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Ive spent time traveling through the south and there are gals of all races down there popping out babies to increase their welfare checks.

And how did you gather this data? Just in passing? What were the rates of this occurance?

 

[barfo]

You have a conversation with him and now I'm entering one with you.

No, you aren't.

barfo

 

[Phatguysrule]

The Australian ones from 2008? Yes. What a great find that was!

So yeah... I don't think that's a good thing. And there isn't enough regulation on that front to prevent it. So, as a policy, I don't think we should rely on them or direct people to use them.

 

[ABM]

.....he claims that there are 'many, many reasons to vote for a President' when it was pointed out to him that he votes solely for anti-abortion candidates?

barfo

Pointed out to me? Glad y'all can read my mind. I had various other reasons including stance on Israel, replacing Obamacare, taking on China, immigration concerns, among others.

 

[ABM]

So yeah... I don't think that's a good thing. And there isn't enough regulation on that front to prevent it. So, as a policy, I don't think we should rely on them or direct people to use them.

I simply said that I support Mercy Multiplied, just as I've said I support The Woodson Center. In some cases, for the same reasons.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I simply said that I support Mercy Multiplied, just as I've said I support The Woodson Center. In some cases, for the same reasons.

I get that. And you're free to do so.

I'd prefer to have policy which removes the need for such institutions, rather than policy which causes problems that push more people toward them.

 

[Orion Bailey]

No, you aren't.

barfo

well sure. You can always deny it like you are but it doesn’t minimize my point in the original post.

But then i have to remember you avoid the tough topics due to lack of interest. Has nothing to do with exposing a double standard….

ill let you get back to ABM and your double standard posts to him…


When you are ready to man up snd discuss that double standard i brought up, let me know. Im here…

 

[ABM]

I get that. And you're free to do so.

I'd prefer to have policy which removes the need for such institutions.

Curious, what policy(ies) would remove the need for such institutions?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Curious, what policy(ies) would remove the need for such institutions?

Improved access to education and healthcare, improved social safety net, improved court and judicial system with enhanced focus on restitution and rehabilitation.

 

[ABM]

Improved access to education and healthcare, improved social safety net, improved court and judicial system with enhanced focus on restitution and rehabilitation.

I'm for all of that. But, truly, what does that have to do with educating girls/women/boys/men on the physical/emotional/spiritual ramifications of getting an abortion?

 

[crandc]

I know men love to think women are stupid and don't know what pregnancy is until they mansplain it to us. I also know every reputable clinic informs women on all their choices. We don't need lectures from anti choice Christian Taliban.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I'm for all of that. But, truly, what does that have to do with educating girls/women/boys/men on the physical/emotional/spiritual ramifications of getting an abortion?

Sex Ed covers all of that. And it can cover it very thoroughly.

Doctors and health clinics can pick up where sex ed leaves off as needed.

 

[ABM]

Sex Ed covers all of that. And it can cover it very thoroughly.

I see.

 

[crandc]

Still comes down to who decides. Person who is pregnant or outsiders imposing their will by force.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Still comes down to informing the decision makers how evil and selfish they are…

 

[Phatguysrule]

I see.

It certainly was at my school anyway. And it was very effective.

And I'd much rather have a certified teacher instructing young people an agreed upon curriculum as opposed to some volunteer at a clinic.

Come to think of it, my health class had fewer teen pregnancies than the youth group I attended.

 

[Orion Bailey]

It certainly was at my school anyway. And it was very effective.

And I'd much rather have a certified teacher instructing young people an agreed upon curriculum as opposed to some volunteer at a clinic.

Come to think of it, my health class had fewer teen pregnancies than the youth group I attended.

Isnt sex ed part of high school health curriculum?

i know i had it back in 89’

have we removed it from the educational sustem?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Isnt sex ed part of high school health curriculum?

i know i had it back in 89’

have we removed it from the educational sustem?

Some states like Texas were teaching abstinence only for a time, which obviously resulted in an increase in teen pregnancies and abortions. Though they have updated that in the last couple years.

We should probably have higher nationally recognized minimums that we teach to, but allow for states to go further if they choose.