There are certain subjects that are black and white to some people for a variety of reasons.
Women not having a say in what happens to their bodies is one of those subjects for
@crandc. Trying to introduce gray areas, what-ifs, or strawmen is not going to change or modify her opinion.
Let me give you an easy example...
I don't think adults should fuck children.
Period.
But if someone(s) started trying to debate me with shit like...
If it's bad to have sex with girls why is it they can get pregnant? Obviously, nature approves of this!
If god didn't want kids to have sex why did Mary get pregnant with Jesus at age 13? Why isn't it one of the 10 Commandments?
Or what if there was only me and a 15yr old girl left in the world, wouldn't we have to start having sex to repopulate the world?
And after reading shit like that and other weird arguments I would say FUCK THE HELL OFF TRYING TO THINK OF REASONS TO HAVE SEX WITH KIDS.
It doesn't make me a hypocrite that I won't address the counterpoints and arguments for having sex with kids. It doesn't make me a bad person for not wanting to have a "discussion" about it. To me, there is no discussion to be had about this.
While I have no intention to try and speak for Crandc I get the strong feeling that abortion rights are a similar line in the sand for her.
You should really try to understand that. You may not agree but it quickly grows to a point that there really isn't much for you to talk to her about concerning this.
Another example, I really like
@Phatguysrule and many of his opinions on politics and society. But honestly, and this is the first time I'm saying anything, I don't agree with him on a lot of his views about guns and gun control. I see that he is very knowledgeable and very passionate about this subject. I too am somewhat knowledgeable and passionate about different areas in support of gun control. But honestly, I don't see any real reason to get into some big debate with him about them because neither of us is going to change our positions. We'll go around and around and both end up right where we are.