Rudy Injury Thread

[ucatchtrout]

Do you really think that seeing it in real-time in real life is better than seeing it in multiple camera angles, with the ability to play it back over and over and over in slow-motion? You don't really think that, do you?

Did he get the ball entirely by accident?

It's CLEAR that he was going for the ball IMO. He just went through Rudy's body to get there. If he wasn't going for the ball--if he REALLY wanted to hurt Rudy as much as possible--he could have grabbed or pushed his legs out from under him.

The way he went for the ball was illegal, and it was punished with a flagrant 2 foul. That's why they have flagrant 2 fouls.

Rudy twisted and flipped because he was high up in the air, because Ariza flagrantly fouled him, and because Rudy doesn't weigh very much. His flipping is not inconsistent with Ariza's stated INTENT of going hard to the ball.

Ed O.

Look here now.... you need to understand I am completely BIASED, and I hate the freaking Lakers. You'll have to look elsewhere for an objective opinion.....or stick with what you have deduced from watching the video that I posted so people can draw their own conclusions.

 

[Ed O]

What does this even mean? First you state that a flagrant 2 foul is semi-understandable because somebody celebrated early in the game, and then you build strawmen to support your ridiculous initial post.

It's understandable why people commit murder. Explaining WHY someone commits murder does not exonerate the murderer.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

Do you really think that seeing it in real-time in real life is better than seeing it in multiple camera angles, with the ability to play it back over and over and over in slow-motion? You don't really think that, do you?

Did he get the ball entirely by accident?

It's CLEAR that he was going for the ball IMO. He just went through Rudy's body to get there. If he wasn't going for the ball--if he REALLY wanted to hurt Rudy as much as possible--he could have grabbed or pushed his legs out from under him.

The way he went for the ball was illegal, and it was punished with a flagrant 2 foul. That's why they have flagrant 2 fouls.

Rudy twisted and flipped because he was high up in the air, because Ariza flagrantly fouled him, and because Rudy doesn't weigh very much. His flipping is not inconsistent with Ariza's stated INTENT of going hard to the ball.

Ed O.

I notice you are leaving out Ariza glancing at Rudy laying on the ground and then immediately starting to scream to no one in particular. No surprise, though. You are better than anyone at playing the passive-aggressive game to get people riled up, and at a time when Blazer fans are already upset and have a reason to be, it doesn't really seem to be justified on your part.

 

[noknobs]

You said that the position in my post would make him feel better. You were being sarcastic. You therefore meant that the position in my post would NOT make him feel better.

The only reason you would bring that up, assuming you weren't hitting keys randomly, was because Rudy might be consoled by other positions in other posts in this thread. Since you did not go out of your way to note that the things that I mentioned (beer being thrown, safety of players and fans) would not make feel Rudy feel better, it seemed to me like you were tacitly accepting them as things that Rudy WOULD feel better about.

Which is silly. Rudy doesn't give a shit about what anyone on this board thinks, and I find it likely that he would agree more with the post you responded to (explaining the illegal fould Ariza performed) than some others here that you did not call out.

Is that clear enough for you now?

Ed O.

Very clear. Thanks for reminding me why I've been avoiding posting on here lately.


Just too fucking stupid.

 

[PapaG]

It's understandable why people commit murder. Explaining WHY someone commits murder does not exonerate the murderer.

Ed O.

This is even dumber than your initial post. Watch Ariza's actions after he glances down and sees Rudy on the ground. Farmar runs to Fernandez; Ariza flaps his arms and starts shrieking. Circumstantial evidence, if you will.

 

[Ed O]

Look here now.... you need to understand I am completely BIASED, and I hate the freaking Lakers. You'll have to look elsewhere for an objective opinion.....or stick with what you have deduced from watching the video that I posted so people can draw their own conclusions.

Fair enough.

Ed O.

 

[alex42083]

I'm glad Rudy's going to be OK. But damn... the hatred meter toward the Lakers shot up another point.

Odom tried to take out Roy last year with a hard foul too.

FUCK THE LAKERS!!!!

 

[Sinobas]

It looked like he was just trying to knock Rudy's arms away to cause him to miss. He was clearly not making a serious play on the ball coming across a guys arms like that, and he knew that corralling him like that would cause him to take a fall. So it was a cheap move, though it wasn't exactly a body check. In most cases, a guy will let the other guy get the dunk rather than laying him out on a wide open play like that.

The worst part was how he reacted...as if he was satisfied that he laid Rudy out, that is very telling. I wish Michael Ruffin would taken one for the team and sent Ariza home with his nose poking out the backside of his head.

 

[Ed O]

Very clear. Thanks for reminding me why I've been avoiding posting on here lately.


Just too fucking stupid.

Don't be so hard on yourself. Layered and nuanced posts can be difficult for some people if they don't agree with its premise.

Ed O.

 

[Ed O]

I notice you are leaving out Ariza glancing at Rudy laying on the ground and then immediately starting to scream to no one in particular. No surprise, though. You are better than anyone at playing the passive-aggressive game to get people riled up, and at a time when Blazer fans are already upset and have a reason to be, it doesn't really seem to be justified on your part.

Yes, again I am trying to persecute you and those of you with whom I disagree.

It's passive aggressiveness, not just a differing opinion. Good call.

Ed O.

 

[Sinobas]

It's understandable why people commit murder. Explaining WHY someone commits murder does not exonerate the murderer.

Ed O.

Hmm...understandable in the sense that they are crazy assholes who have no regard for others? Ok, I guess I see your point in regards to Trevor "the bitch" Ariza.

 

[PapaG]

Yes, again I am trying to persecute you and those of you with whom I disagree.

It's passive aggressiveness, not just a differing opinion. Good call.

Ed O.

It's an incomplete opinion because you didn't post about the aftermath and Ariza's actions. I imagine that's because it would make you look foolish. This has nothing to do with me being "persecuted"; it has to do with you being laughingly wrong on this being "semi-understandable", and then going even further and saying it was pretty much clean.

So, while it is an opinion, yours isn't reasoned, it isn't based on fact, and it is incomplete because it doesn't include the aftermath. No need to personalize me in your post, Ed. Stand up for your argument and now address Ariza after the foul.

 

[Toko]

I agree that Rudy had it coming. Hitting every shot he took, completely owning your team. It must have been hard for the L*kers to take. Now Kobe knows how the concierge felt; your team was bent over and raped.

Score was still 2-1 last time I check.

And stop being so emotional. This is basketball. Shit happens. I'm sure rudy is fine

 

[Ed O]

Hmm...understandable in the sense that they are crazy assholes who have no regard for others? Ok, I guess I see your point in regards to Trevor "the bitch" Ariza.

No. Sometimes people are done such serious injury that they feel their only recourse is to kill another human being. Their daughter was raped. Their doctor purposefully botched a surgery. Their favorite Spaniard was fouled unnecessarily roughly by a Laker.

These things explain and make understandable motive without excusing the act.

I just don't think that Ariza was ONLY trying to hurt Rudy. He could have just gone after the legs... run through Fernandez. It would have been less effort for Ariza and it would have almost certainly hurt Rudy a lot more.

Why did he even bother to jump, if he wasn't going for the ball?

Clearly it was not a legal play, and obviously he was trying to fould Rudy HARD. I would bet almost anything that he didn't intend to send him to the hospital and I would bet, too, that he had the ball in his sights when he swung through Rudy's head and caught his wrist.

Ed O.

 

[MIXUM]

can we just be happy hes ok... i mean the dude is questionable for wed. if that was oden, his career would be over. if we lost rudy for a while... we would be in serious trouble. hes our rookie of teh year... not the bust we like to call our future center.

we just beat the lakers

how is anyone fighting about dumb shit?

 

[LOTBfan]

Ed. O, usually a favorite mod of mine, today, -1 for assuming his green colored name makes his opinion and insults welcome amidst fans in a very emotional thread.

No offense, but you are stirring a bee hive, and I think you should step out for a bit out of respect for your own position.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

It's an incomplete opinion because you didn't post about the aftermath and Ariza's actions. I imagine that's because it would make you look foolish. This has nothing to do with me being "persecuted"; it has to do with you being laughingly wrong on this being "semi-understandable", and then going even further and saying it was pretty much clean.

So, while it is an opinion, yours isn't reasoned, it isn't based on fact, and it is incomplete because it doesn't include the aftermath. No need to personalize me in your post, Ed. Stand up for your argument and now address Ariza after the foul.

I agree with you, but you really need to shut the fuck up. Ed's posting circles around you. You're four posts from claiming there's a conspiracy of moderators that lets people abuse you... again.

Ariza fouled Rudy. Whether that final 1/10th of a second where he drew his arm down to throw Rudy way off balance was intentional or gravity, we'll never know. But you're right, he acted like a complete douchebag afterwards. He deserves a suspension for that behavior alone. If he's truly remorseless, he's a fucking sociopath. I hate very few players in the league, but I now hate Ariza.

Take it from a guy who used to hate Ed, but now sees his wisdom: just fucking stop.

 

[Sinobas]

Score was still 2-1 last time I check.

And stop being so emotional. This is basketball. Shit happens. I'm sure rudy is fine

God, you lost hope really early. The final score was actually 111 to 94...and it was a lot worse than that.

 

[Toko]

No. Sometimes people are done such serious injury that they feel their only recourse is to kill another human being. Their daughter was raped. Their doctor purposefully botched a surgery. Their favorite Spaniard was fouled unnecessarily roughly by a Laker.

These things explain and make understandable motive without excusing the act.

I just don't think that Ariza was ONLY trying to hurt Rudy. He could have just gone after the legs... run through Fernandez. It would have been less effort for Ariza and it would have almost certainly hurt Rudy a lot more.

Why did he even bother to jump, if he wasn't going for the ball?

Clearly it was not a legal play, and obviously he was trying to fould Rudy HARD. I would bet almost anything that he didn't intend to send him to the hospital and I would bet, too, that he had the ball in his sights when he swung through Rudy's head and caught his wrist.

Ed O.

Good post. Some people here need to chill. Their hate of LA runs so deep that now they are seeing conspiracies everywhere.....like Ariza was trying to intentionally hospitalize Rudy...puhhhlease.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Good post. Some people here need to chill. Their hate of LA runs so deep that now they are seeing conspiracies everywhere.....like Ariza was trying to intentionally hospitalize Rudy...puhhhlease.

You're right. Ariza's too stupid to think that far ahead.

 

[Toko]

God, you lost hope really early. The final score was actually 111 to 94...and it was a lot worse than that.

Meh, we own you at staples, you own us at rose garden. Come playoff time, if you make it out the first round(unlikely) we'll steal a game first. I'm not worried.

 

[Toko]

You're right. Ariza's too stupid to think that far ahead.

Exactly. He just wanted to get the spaniard down hard. Turns out little rudy is a bit of a wuss.....err I mean has brittle bones.

 

[PapaG]

I agree with you, but you really need to shut the fuck up. Ed's posting circles around you. You're four posts from claiming there's a conspiracy of moderators that lets people abuse you... again.

Ariza fouled Rudy. Whether that final 1/10th of a second where he drew his arm down to throw Rudy way off balance was intentional or gravity, we'll never know. But you're right, he acted like a complete douchebag afterwards. He deserves a suspension for that behavior alone. If he's truly remorseless, he's a fucking sociopath. I hate very few players in the league, but I now hate Ariza.

Take it from a guy who used to hate Ed, but now sees his wisdom: just fucking stop.

Me pointing out that Ed has yet to comment on Ariza after the play is him "posting circles around me". Uh huh. Whatever.

I suppose it could be said that I am also posting circles around you, whoever you are, since in your first sentence of this thread you told me to "shut the f**k up" without addressing a single word I posted.

 

[Spectatohead]

While almost everyone here is pointing out what a douche bag Ariza was for his behavior after the enormously flagrant foul, and they are right to do so, I was impressed by Farmar's actions immediately after the foul. He was the first person to check on Rudy. It looked like he was going to help Rudy up until he realized that he was really hurt. I've always detested Farmar and anyone else in purple and yellow, but he showed some class tonight.

 

[Sug]

can we just be happy hes ok... i mean the dude is questionable for wed. if that was oden, his career would be over. if we lost rudy for a while... we would be in serious trouble. hes our rookie of teh year... not the bust we like to call our future center.

we just beat the lakers

how is anyone fighting about dumb shit?

Considering we are in the middle of our collapse, shouldn't we be fighting...dumb shit.

 

[PapaG]

Good post. Some people here need to chill. Their hate of LA runs so deep that now they are seeing conspiracies everywhere.....like Ariza was trying to intentionally hospitalize Rudy...puhhhlease.

Well, the Laker fan agrees with Ed.

 

[Ed O]

It's an incomplete opinion because you didn't post about the aftermath and Ariza's actions. I imagine that's because it would make you look foolish. This has nothing to do with me being "persecuted"; it has to do with you being laughingly wrong on this being "semi-understandable", and then going even further and saying it was pretty much clean.

"Pretty much clean"?

What the fuck are you talking about? Please show me where I said it was "pretty much clean" or anything resembling that. I believe it was clearly illegal and clearly a flagrant 2--unnecessary and excessive contact. I don't think it's necessary to think that Ariza was a "liar" for saying that he was trying to make a hard foul on the ball.

After the foul is irrelevant. There's a fair bit of machismo involved in basketball, and the absence of concern on a player's demeanor doesn't matter.

Soccer players squirm around on the ground like they're going to lose a leg on a regular basis. Does it mean that a player intended to take off his leg if he doesn't bend over and see how he is?

Ed O.

 

[number 10]

Exactly. He just wanted to get the spaniard down hard. Turns out little rudy is a bit of a wuss.....err I mean has brittle bones.

oh fuck off, do you contribute at all to this forum or do you just troll?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Exactly. He just wanted to get the spaniard down hard. Turns out little rudy is a bit of a wuss.....err I mean has brittle bones.

The dude's thin... he's 6'5", 185 pounds. A rookie with a rookie's physique... It's not like he drove in the lane and was pounded down. That'd be his own fault. He was caught from behind. When that happens, it very tough to recover, especially when you're not strong enough or experienced enough to contort in the air.

 

[LOTBfan]

while almost everyone here is pointing out what a douche bag ariza was for his behavior after the enormously flagrant foul, and they are right to do so, i was impressed by farmar's actions immediately after the foul. He was the first person to check on rudy. It looked like he was going to help rudy up until he realized that he was really hurt. I've always detested farmar and anyone else in purple and yellow, but he showed some class tonight.

qft

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