Rudy Injury Thread

[Minstrel]

People find the oddest things to fight about on this forum.

 

[Sug]

Looking at the reply, it is clear that Roy went after Ariza right after the foul, that might explain why Ariza did not "check up" on rudy. The reply also clearly shows he was going for the ball. That's all, just a tough foul, and the other guy landed badly. That's all.

Is that why he got a flagrant II and will probably get suspended?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

People find the oddest things to fight about on this forum.

Stepping back, I have to admit I am acting pretty silly about all of this. It's kind of a pissing contest to see who's more mad about Ariza, isn't it?

Anyway, I'll calm down. Rudy's going to be okay (fingers crossed), and maybe Pau will give Ariza a reason to feel unsafe at night (fingers also crossed).

Ed, you're a reasonable chap. Too reasonable sometimes, but I can't hold that against you. Good on ya for not dropping down to our level.

 

[Toko]

Is that why he got a flagrant II and will probably get suspended?

Yup. Just like bynum's hard foul, despite the intent to go after the ball, the other player got hit pretty hard. That's why he got a flag 2. Shouldn't be suspended though.

 

[free_lafrentz]

I've chosen to not speak out on this latest skirmish up until now in fear that I would say something regretful...

I've had enough time to gather myself and thoughts to develop my own stance on this whole thing, so here it goes.

Any Laker fan who claims Ariza was "good natured" and had no "intent" behind the foul is an idiot or blind.
Any Blazer fan who claims it was all malicious is also displaying obvious signs of homerism.

It's a very hard foul, without question. You simply cannot wave your arms across another players body, when both are going at full speed, miss the ball completely, whack Rudy across the dome and expect not to get tossed. It's a dangerous play on the ball and Dick B. made the correct Flagrant 2 call REGARDLESS of the Ariza reaction afterwards.

Odom could likely be fined, but probably not suspended for leaving the bench. He did make his way out onto the baseline past the 3-point line, so technically he did "cross the line" so to speak.

Ariza should be fined, probably not suspended. If he becomes a repeat offender then you start issuing further punishment. If he said it wasn't malicious, believe him, but if it happens again, punish his ass.

Roy, LA, Travis could be fined, but far less likely than Odom and Ariza. They were protecting their teammate, not venting built up frustration after Portland opened up a can of whoop-ass on them.

Great win the Portland Trailblazers. And, if anyone was questioning Portland's toughness and perceived "softness" around the NBA, it certainly has to be gone now. No one by the name of Joel or Jerryd was in the skirmish, it was all "nice guys" on the team.

Maybe this was the game we needed to get that competitive chip on our shoulder and send us into the next level of the NBA.

 

[alex42083]

People find the oddest things to fight about on this forum.

Fans are understandably fired up and emotional about that play, especially when it involves the Lakers. We just want to vent and call Ariza and LA a bitch, that's all.

 

[Ed O]

Stepping back, I have to admit I am acting pretty silly about all of this. It's kind of a pissing contest to see who's more mad about Ariza, isn't it?

Anyway, I'll calm down. Rudy's going to be okay (fingers crossed), and maybe Pau will give Ariza a reason to feel unsafe at night (fingers also crossed).

Ed, you're a reasonable chap. Too reasonable sometimes, but I can't hold that against you. Good on ya for not dropping down to our level.

*blush* Thanks.

I hope we get to beat the Lakers five more times this year and Rudy's a big part of it.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

People find the oddest things to fight about on this forum.

I dunno. I guess some of us are fans who react with emotion after a punk-ass foul by a Laker. I suppose we can't all be robots.

 

[free_lafrentz]

We just want to vent and call Ariza and LA a bitch, that's all.

This kind of behavior is totally warranted after tonight's scuffle.

 

[Minstrel]

Fans are understandably fired up and emotional about that play, especially when it involves the Lakers. We just want to vent and call Ariza and LA a bitch, that's all.

I dunno. I guess some of us are fans who react with emotion after a punk-ass foul by a Laker. I suppose we can't all be robots.

And no one's saying you can't vent, certainly not me. This just seems like a strange thing to fight with other posters about.

Ed also didn't say you couldn't vent...he simply had a different opinion on the foul.

 

[alex42083]

And no one's saying you can't vent, certainly not me. This just seems like a strange thing to fight with other posters about.

Ed also didn't say you couldn't vent...he simply had a different opinion on the foul.

If people are going to argue against our emotional outbursts, there's going to be some emotional reactions as well. It's just part of being a fan.
It's like telling someone who's having the worst day of his life that everything is fine and just enlighten up a bit. Probably the last thing that guy wants to hear.

 

[Minstrel]

If people are going to argue against our emotional outbursts, there's going to be some emotional reactions as well. It's just part of being a fan.
It's like telling someone who's having the worst day of his life that everything is fine and just enlighten up a bit. Probably the last thing that guy wants to hear.

That's not what Ed said, though. He gave his opinion on the play. He didn't tell others what to think or feel. People just got angry that Ed didn't agree with them and rant also.

 

[ehizzy3]

good shit...lamar got punked by roy, he already left the bench, mise we'll done something when he stepped up..i love when we get in scuffles, we have to show some fire. i have to re watch, where was kobe at

 

[PapaG]

If people are going to argue against our emotional outbursts, there's going to be some emotional reactions as well. It's just part of being a fan.
It's like telling someone who's having the worst day of his life that everything is fine and just enlighten up a bit. Probably the last thing that guy wants to hear.

It's an obvious passive-aggressive tactic to keep telling that person everything is OK. I imagine the poster in question knew exactly what he was doing by calling the foul "semi-understandable" because Batum and Rudy were celebrating earlier in the game.

 

[Ed O]

It's an obvious passive-aggressive tactic to keep telling that person everything is OK. I imagine the poster in question knew exactly what he was doing by calling the foul "semi-understandable" because Batum and Rudy were celebrating earlier in the game.

You have already demonstrated (and admitted) that your reading comprehension in this thread leaves something to be desired. I would advise, if you care at all about accuracy, that since you have difficulty reading the actual lines, you should probably stop trying to read between them.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

That's not what Ed said, though. He gave his opinion on the play. He didn't tell others what to think or feel. People just got angry that Ed didn't agree with them and rant also.

Here is Ed's initial post on the subject. Surely you can see why some people would react emotionally when he calls the foul "semi-understandable" and calls out Batum and Rudy specifically for being the reason.

Re: Rudy Injury Thread

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Hopefully Rudy is OK and at 100% ASAP. I would bet that Batum's showboating and Rudy's celebrations after his three pointers and the overall score at the time added up to frustration for Ariza. It doesn't make it right, but it's at least semi-understandable.

Ed

 

[Ed O]

Here is Ed's initial post on the subject. Surely you can see why some people would react emotionally when he calls the foul "semi-understandable" and calls out Batum and Rudy specifically for being the reason.

Are you saying that your emotional outburst is "semi-understandable"?



Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

You have already demonstrated (and admitted) that your reading comprehension in this thread leaves something to be desired. I would advise, if you care at all about accuracy, that since you have difficulty reading the actual lines, you should probably stop trying to read between them.

Ed O.

You "would advise" me? Thanks for the unsolicited advice. What are the ramifications if I don't follow your advice? At least I don't have a problem admitting that I read something wrong.

 

[alex42083]

That's not what Ed said, though. He gave his opinion on the play. He didn't tell others what to think or feel. People just got angry that Ed didn't agree with them and rant also.

I think that's what got most people worked up over. When you're emotional and worked up, the last thing you want to hear and read are differing opinions. We just wanted to hear what we want to hear, and that's calling the Lakers and everything LA the worst thing in the world.

Let's just say what's common sense or what makes sense goes out the window when you're a fired up, emotionally-attached fan who's living in the moment of seeing one of your players seriously hurt by your arch rival in a game when you're up 30.

 

[PapaG]

Are you saying that your emotional outburst is "semi-understandable"?



Ed O.

I'll need to take advisement on your advice before I can comment any further.

 

[Ed O]

You "would advise" me? Thanks for the unsolicited advice. What are the ramifications if I don't follow your advisce? At least I don't have a problem admitting that I read something wrong.

I would advise you to stop making yourself look foolish by incorrectly ascribing motivations to other posters, including me. It makes you look juvenile and unable to reason or control your emotions.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

My larger point is that knowingly exacerbating an emotional situation by simply being contrarian, while at the same time ignoring completely trollish posts by a Laker poster, inflamed what was just a normal thread. I'm clearly not afraid of conflict, but others apparently left the board tonight when all they wanted to do was enjoy the victory and complain about Ariza's flagrant foul. So, when they were belittled/challenged for doing so, while at the same time having to read a Laker poster talk about Rudy being "brittle" while we don't know his condition, I can't blame anyone for responding in an even more emotional manner and logging off of the board.

Anyhow, I guess whatever point you two were trying to make has been made to someone, somewhere. Later.

 

[PapaG]

I would advise you to stop making yourself look foolish by incorrectly ascribing motivations to other posters, including me. It makes you look juvenile and unable to reason or control your emotions.

Ed O.

You should really work on your self-awareness, Ed. You could have handled this much better tonight, and instead you ran off posters who simply wanted to enjoy the victory with fellow fans.

 

[Ed O]

You should really work on your self-awareness, Ed. You could have handled this much better tonight, and instead you ran off posters who simply wanted to enjoy the victory with fellow fans.

Wait. Enjoy the victory or enjoy the victory AND bitch about Ariza being an asshole? It seems your last two posts are at odds with one another.

In any case, I am a fan. That I have a different outlook doesn't change that.

Again, though, you're cracking me up with the pop psychology. Does my lack of self-awareness and overall emotional intelligence stem from my mother being adopted and my parents splitting up when I was just a boy? From having to raise my siblings on the mean streets of Mexico City even as Interpol searched for the final piece to the international crime cartel's master plan... which had been instilled in my head through rote memorization before I was driven from Canada?

You're hilarious, man.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

Wait. Enjoy the victory or enjoy the victory AND bitch about Ariza being an asshole? It seems your last two posts are at odds with one another.

In any case, I am a fan. That I have a different outlook doesn't change that.

Again, though, you're cracking me up with the pop psychology. Does my lack of self-awareness and overall emotional intelligence stem from my mother being adopted and my parents splitting up when I was just a boy? From having to raise my siblings on the mean streets of Mexico City even as Interpol searched for the final piece to the international crime cartel's master plan... which had been instilled in my head through rote memorization before I was driven from Canada?

You're hilarious, man.

Ed O.

I said nothing about your emotional intelligence, nor do I care about it. I was talking specifically about this thread and the written results of your actions in it. So, if you are self-aware, then my previous opinion stands. If my previous opinion is false, I advise you try to become more self-aware.

 

[PapaG]

Wait. Enjoy the victory or enjoy the victory AND bitch about Ariza being an asshole? It seems your last two posts are at odds with one another.

They aren't at odds, and the point is moot anyhow since they already checked out for the night. Solid job!

 

[alex42083]

This is the feeling that I think most Blazer fans had tonight..

 

[rocketeer]

Odom could likely be fined, but probably not suspended for leaving the bench. He did make his way out onto the baseline past the 3-point line, so technically he did "cross the line" so to speak.

Ariza should be fined, probably not suspended. If he becomes a repeat offender then you start issuing further punishment. If he said it wasn't malicious, believe him, but if it happens again, punish his ass.

odom will be suspended. he left the bench during an altercation. he is automatically suspended for one game. the nba is very consistent with that.

i expect that ariza also will probably be suspended for one game. that is the suspension that al horford got when he injured tj ford on a play that was a similar scenario.

 

[Boob-No-More]

It's a very hard foul, without question. You simply cannot wave your arms across another players body, when both are going at full speed, miss the ball completely, whack Rudy across the dome and expect not to get tossed. It's a dangerous play on the ball and Dick B. made the correct Flagrant 2 call REGARDLESS of the Ariza reaction afterwards.

Ariza should be fined, probably not suspended. If he becomes a repeat offender then you start issuing further punishment. If he said it wasn't malicious, believe him, but if it happens again, punish his ass.

He should be suspended a minimum of one game. Intent is totally irrelevant. If you read the NBA rule on flagrant fouls, there is no mention of intent to injure, as that assumes something about what a person is thinking when they commit the foul. So, as far as any suspension goes, whether or not Ariza intended to injure Rudy isn't a consideration.

What Ariza did, by his actions, was recklessly endanger the health and safety of another player. And, for that, he deserves a suspension of at least one game. When Al Horford injured TJ Ford by hitting him from behind on a break away last season he was much more remorseful than Ariza. He even spent several hours with Ford at the hospital the night of the injury - and he still got suspended for one game. Ariza deserves at least as much. He needs to learn that, no matter what the situation, you simply don't do reckless shit that puts another player in danger. That is the purpose of the rule and the suspension. The suspension should be forthcoming and it will be based on the action, not the intent - just like in the Horford/Ford situation last season.

Odom could likely be fined, but probably not suspended for leaving the bench. He did make his way out onto the baseline past the 3-point line, so technically he did "cross the line" so to speak.

He left the immediate bench area - an infraction that earns him an automatic one game suspension regardless of what he did after he left the bench. The NBA will review the tapes from the game and when they do, Odom should get the automatic one game suspension. This is a very clear cut rule with no room for interpretation. Did he leave the bench? Yes. Automatic one game suspension.

Roy, LA, Travis could be fined, but far less likely than Odom and Ariza. They were protecting their teammate, not venting built up frustration after Portland opened up a can of whoop-ass on them.

They were in the game at the time. Therefore, they didn't leave the bench and should not be suspended. If the league wants to fine them, big deal. Such fines are pretty meaningless. Sticky up for an injured teammate is much more important than handing over a few thousand dollars to the league.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

One thing that struck me while watching it in real time.... Rudy layed there by himself, it seemed, while the fracas occurred over at the Laker bench (until doctors arrived). The only player that went to check on him was Farmar, who then quickly tried to intercede between his teammates and the Blazers. I can understand why Roy, Aldridge, Outlaw, etc would want to stand up for their teammate, but I think my first reaction would have been to see if he was okay.

Secondly, and I brought this up in another thread, but I can only imagine how Pau Gasol felt during that whole thing. Here is a close friend of his writhing in pain on the ground, and a teammate of his who put him there. How would you feel? What would you do?

Thirdly, I must also say that I was a bit surprised to see our guys celebrating after the game. I kinda expected them to quickly leave the court and head to the hospital to check on Rudy. Much is made about how close this team is, and one of their teammates was rolled off the court on a gurney. Not something to be taken lightly. I realize a lot of it was probably done as a precaution, but still.... a very somber moment. I expected our boys to be a little more concerned with Rudy's well being.