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MIXUM is like a pro wrestling character. To Heel, with lame hooks and shit. Always booed, not because he makes you mad, but because he is sad.
 
Toko said:
More like "no easy points on my watch". I think Rudy got the message, no?:pimp:
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If so, the message came a little late. Of our 83 points at the time of the foul, about 79 were easy.
 
maxiep said:
If so, the message came a little late. Of our 83 points at the time of the foul, about 79 were easy.
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Yeah, nothing like trying to close the barn door after the horse is already gone... out to pasture, died of old age and been made into glue and dog food.

The best message you can send about no easy points is a little something called defense. If you play it, you don't give up 61 points in the first half, aren't down 28 and don't have to commit stupid, dangerous fouls to "send a message" about all the easy points you've been giving up all game long.

BNM
 
maxiep said:
Ed, he swung, hit him in the head and then grabbed his wrist. We're going to have to agree to disagree on Ariza's intent.
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I agree with you and disagree with EdO's take.

No 1. Batum and Rudy were not "showboating" any more than they normally do when Batum throws down dunks and Rudy hits threes. Rudy ALWAYS does his hands in the air with the 3 fingers when he hits one.

No 2. Trevor Ariza seemed to me to be in the midst of a big-time frustration foul.

No 3. Ariza SWUNG at Rudy. Yes, it was in the general direction of the ball - more or less. No, that in no way is a legit play for the ball, as Ariza maintains. The cocked back and then full swipe that Ariza took is not a needed motion to make a play for the ball. His full swing was in frustration and/or intended to deliver a hard blow, wherever it happen to hit - hand, wrist, forearm, head - whatever - he didn't seem to give a shit.

No 4. Ariza HELD Rudy's arm after the hit to the head. Holding his arm seemed to be the action that caused Rudy to twist in mid-air. That action by Ariza significantly increased the chances of Rudy being injured.

No 5. Ariza did not check on the condition of Rudy. Nor did he apoligize for his behavior.

No 6. Ariza immediately started talking trash to the Blazers. This supports the notion that his attack on Rudy was intentional. If it is an accident, the player says "Fuck you, I didn't mean it." If it was intentional the player says, "Don't run up the score on us or I will fuck you up."
 
Toko said:
Exactly. He just wanted to get the spaniard down hard. Turns out little rudy is a bit of a wuss.....err I mean has brittle bones.
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Had to bump this post.
 
Ed O said:
No. Sometimes people are done such serious injury that they feel their only recourse is to kill another human being. Their daughter was raped. Their doctor purposefully botched a surgery. Their favorite Spaniard was fouled unnecessarily roughly by a Laker.

These things explain and make understandable motive without excusing the act.

I just don't think that Ariza was ONLY trying to hurt Rudy. He could have just gone after the legs... run through Fernandez. It would have been less effort for Ariza and it would have almost certainly hurt Rudy a lot more.

Why did he even bother to jump, if he wasn't going for the ball?

Clearly it was not a legal play, and obviously he was trying to fould Rudy HARD. I would bet almost anything that he didn't intend to send him to the hospital and I would bet, too, that he had the ball in his sights when he swung through Rudy's head and caught his wrist.

Ed O.
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Even if you assume that is all true, Ariza's action in the moment was very reckless.

He decided to put Rudy in a risky situation in violation of the rules and spirt of the game.

And Ariza's recklessness and attitude after the incident show that he MEANT his actions, and that the consequences were beside the point.

He was going to deliver a hard foul - no matter what. And he wasn't too concerned what could likely/logically happen if he did deliver that foul. He took an excessively wide and hard swing and he grabbed Rudy's arm. Those actions made it more likely that injury would occur.

You should know that in a crime, intent is important, but isn't everything. If I intend to kill someone that is murder. If I don't intend to kill someone, but act with reckless disregard for their life and cause their death or injury - do I get to walk?

Doesn't matter if Ariza intended to hurt Rudy or not. I doubt he did. What matters is that he acted with reckless disregard of Rudy's health.
 
Wheels just reported that Rudy was downgraded from "questionable" to "doubtful" for Wednesday game vs. Dallas. Hopefully he'll be on the bench.

-Pop
 
Another perspective from the OC Register in California

Instead of showing concern for Fernandez or any sort of remorse, Ariza roared louder in the faces of angry Trail Blazers LaMarcus Aldridge and Brandon Roy. Ariza later said about the confrontational reaction of Portland’s players: “If it was one of my teammates, I probably would’ve done the same thing. No hard feelings. They were just protecting their teammate.”

But Ariza certainly didn’t have the poise to understand that at the time. Farmar had to restrain Ariza with a strong hug from behind for minutes afterward as Ariza tried to escalate the matter. Ariza even ripped his right arm free from Portland’s Channing Frye at one point to get back into the fray.

Roy indicated that it wasn’t the flagrant foul that upset him as much as Ariza’s attitude afterward, and that is absolutely the crux of it. Ariza can get out of control with his emotions to a heightened level. Asked about the altercations after the foul, Ariza said: “Honestly, I don’t even remember. It was a heat-of-the-moment thing. I don’t remember what happened.”

And just as Ariza’s temper is something that could hurt the Lakers at some point in their run toward a title, Odom’s mindlessness could, too.
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http://www.ocregister.com/articles/ariza-odom-fernandez-2330455-lakers-right
 
Just heard on the game that Rudy is downgraded to doubtful for Wednesday's game.

Bruised chest and hip pointer.

Could have been a TON worse!
 
The Professional Fan said:
Could have been a TON worse!
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No doubt. Falls like that brutally remind me that we're essentially a very fragile brain and spinal cord, and a lot of our body is just padding to try to prevent those from getting crushed/shattered.
 
PapaG said:
Had to bump this post.
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Ya, I"d like to body slam his candy-ass from 6 feet in the air onto hardwood and see how long it takes him to get up. *edited: No personal attacks*
 
The Professional Fan said:
Just heard on the game that Rudy is downgraded to doubtful for Wednesday's game.

Bruised chest and hip pointer.

Could have been a TON worse!
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What a relief!

Any time you see a guy carried out on a stretcher in a neck brace, it totally changes your perspective. I'd be happy to see Rudy sit out a month if it means he'll fully recover.

Hope Jensen takes a photograph of that incident and tapes it to a set of Rudy's barbells this summer.
 
From the LA perspective: (guess it always depends on what side you're on)

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feel free to stop quoting toko and mixum in your posts, I have them on ignore for a reason and don't need to read their posts via yours
 
http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/hip_groin/a/hip3.htm

What Is A Hip Pointer Injury?
A hip pointer injury is extremely painful, acute injury to the iliac crest of the pelvis. The injury causes bleeding into the abdominal muscles, which attach to the iliac crest. The bone and overlying muscle are often bruised, and the pain can be intense. Pain may be felt when walking, laughing, coughing, or even breathing deeply.

What Causes A Hip Pointer Injury?
Hip pointers are the result of a direct blow to the iliac crest, whether from a direct hit from a helmet, or a hard fall. Hip pointers are common in contact sports such as football, and soccer.

What Is The Treatment For A Hip Pointer Injury?
For immediate relief, follow the treatment plan. Rest from aggravating activities for the first 1 to 2 weeks, is the only real way to heal a Hip pointer. Ice and medication can be helpful to reduce pain and inflammation for the first 7 to 10 days after the injury.

It's important that the athlete not return to quickly to activity. If he still has pain or tenderness, he is liable to compensate by altering his gait and technique. The result is another injury to another body part.
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looks like at least a week for rudy
 
alex42083 said:
From the LA perspective: (guess it always depends on what side you're on)

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"You jump off of one leg, and you're exposed" - what a load of horse shit. Ok. Time to ALWAYS jump off TWO legs so you don't "expose" yourself to getting drilled in mid air? Ok. Makes sense. :dunno:
 
The Professional Fan said:
"You jump off of one leg, and you're exposed" - what a load of horse shit. Ok. Time to ALWAYS jump off TWO legs so you don't "expose" yourself to getting drilled in mid air? Ok. Makes sense. :dunno:
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Exactly.. Stu Lantz putting the onus on Rudy for it, and blaming him for the whole ordeal. What a load of crap.
 
Why do people let Mixum get to them? I love him. He's hilarious. He has a specific point of view and sticks to it. It's pure entertainment for me.
 
alex42083 said:
Exactly.. Stu Lantz putting the onus on Rudy for it, and blaming him for the whole ordeal. What a load of crap.
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My roommate in college was a diehard Lakers fan, and even he agreed that Stu Lantz was an insane homer. But that's hometown announcers for you. Vin Sculley is a great LA announcer, though, as was Chick Hearn, when he was still around.
 
chick hearn would fuck up EVERYONE's names...shit, even the team names. Like the supersonics he would call the superheros or some crazy shit like that. he would call Shaq as "worthy" or other stuff.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
chick hearn would fuck up EVERYONE's names...shit, even the team names. Like the supersonics he would call the superheros or some crazy shit like that. he would call Shaq as "worthy" or other stuff.
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Near the end, his performance dropped off some, though you're exaggerating quite a bit. ;)
 
Practice video from OLive, probably the best part is in the middle and B. Roy having predicted before the game in a pregame chat with LaMarcus that the Lakers would try some hard foul eventually, and then Nate's reaction to being told that Ariza wouldn't be suspended. Priceless.

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Minstrel said:
My roommate in college was a diehard Lakers fan, and even he agreed that Stu Lantz was an insane homer. But that's hometown announcers for you. Vin Sculley is a great LA announcer, though, as was Chick Hearn, when he was still around.
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Yeah.. Understandable, just weird that his first reaction was "well, he put himself in that situation and stuff like that happens" rather than "I hope he's OK". I enjoyed listening to Chick Hearn though, he was great even in his late years.
 
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