Sam Hinkie: The anti-Olshey (1 Viewer)

[LeeRC]

Well, Olshey wanted to tank and build around CJ and Dame (who were 22 and 24 then). That's why the Blazers didn't retain RoLo and Mathews and maybe Batum. If the Blazers sucked enough to nab Embiid, Porzingis, and/or Simmons, it'd be Sixer fans who say, "We need a Neil Olshey rather than a Hinkie."

Truthfully, this team has over-performed for what level of talent it has because we were only one thirteen game win streak away from being a borderline playoff team.

Trading a few key role players for picks should do the trick in propelling the Blazers to the bottom - giving this team a shot or two at drafting a legitimate star. Imo, that should be the Blazers strategy if they don't want to get stuck in mediocrity.

 

[jlprk]

All that matters is that Olshey has been here about 80 years and we need to try someone different. He had his chance and proved that he's not above-average. There are way too many fish in the sea to stick with a below-average, at best average, GM.

But I understand, the board needs this...Because of Olshey's early playoff exit failure, the board lacks Blazer game threads, so the board needs fake controversy to have activity. So these agony-prolonging threads dominated by a couple of O-Live Olshey defenders are their attempt to mend the board activity vacuum caused by their man. Circular logic, with ironic effect.

 

[hoopsjock]

All that matters is that Olshey has been here about 80 years and we need to try someone different. He had his chance and proved that he's not above-average. There are way too many fish in the sea to stick with a below-average, at best average, GM.

But I understand, the board needs this...Because of Olshey's early playoff exit failure, the board lacks Blazer game threads, so the board needs fake controversy to have activity. So these agony-prolonging threads dominated by a couple of O-Live Olshey defenders are their attempt to mend the board activity vacuum caused by their man. Circular logic, with ironic effect.

Do you think Darryl Morey is a good GM?

 

[jlprk]

Do you think Darryl Morey is a good GM?

Reminds me of Rudy Giuliani. He loves himself and media praise, in that order. Anyone tired of Olshey's self-praise would barf when they read the sycophant reporting around Morey. Think of Pritchard and Quick, only on a national scale.

 

[hoopsjock]

Reminds me of Rudy Giuliani. He loves himself and media praise, in that order. Anyone tired of Olshey's self-praise would barf when they read the sycophant reporting around Morey. Think of Pritchard and Quick, only on a national scale.

Is that a yes or a no? ha ha

You can love yourself and media praise and still be a good GM or have total humility and be a bad GM so it doesn't really answer my question. Unless you are saying your hatred for Olshey is only because of the way he likes self-praise.

 

[jlprk]

Which small chips has Morey gotten? What impresses me is a talent evaluator who keeps making profitable (the in exceeds the out) trades every year. Not just some lucky swing-for-the-bleachers FA signing, then the GM goes on vacation for 4 years. Olshey has had his chance, and has a self-satisfied attitude about his work ethic.

 

[hoopsjock]

Which small chips has Morey gotten? What impresses me is a talent evaluator who keeps making profitable (the in exceeds the out) trades every year. Not just some lucky swing-for-the-bleachers FA signing, then the GM goes on vacation for 4 years. Olshey has had his chance, and has a self-satisfied attitude about his work ethic.

Can you not just answer the question?

 

[jlprk]

Me: I want to barf when I see Morey.

You: Is that a yes or no?

Me: Morey has done nothing. I'm unimpressed by lucky signings years apart.

You: Can't you just answer the question?

Me: (goes out and murders Morey to satisfy this guy.)

You: Your evasion technique is a diversion from my diversion technique in which I'm distracting the board from Olshey toward Morey.

Me: (nukes Houston to get this guy's attention)

You: Is that a yes or no? Heh heh, this diversion stuff usually works. I'll ask my boss Olshey for a raise. I'm hot, dominating every thread against the majority.

 

[hoopsjock]

Me: I want to barf when I see Morey.

You: Is that a yes or no?

Me: Morey has done nothing. I'm unimpressed by lucky signings years apart.

You: Can't you just answer the question?

Me: (goes out and murders Morey to satisfy this guy.)

You: Your evasion technique is a diversion from my diversion technique in which I'm distracting the board from Olshey toward Morey.

Me: (nukes Houston to get this guy's attention)

You: Is that a yes or no? Heh heh, this diversion stuff usually works. I'll ask my boss Olshey for a raise. I'm hot, dominating every thread against the majority.

Dude, you are the one making it very confusing if you are talking about Olshey or Morey (or both) in your posts. I asked if he was a good GM and you responded saying he likes self-praise which doesn't answer the question.

Why can't you have a discussion without bringing up posters working for Olshey and your psychological bullshit?

 

[jlprk]

Board: the Blazer board, which is more concerned with its own GM than Philly's

Thread title: "Sam Hinkie: The anti-Olshey"

You (after pages of making readers forget that Olshey exists): "Dude, you are the one making it very confusing if you are talking about Olshey or Morey (or both)"

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

@jlprk

 

[hoopsjock]

Board: the Blazer board, which is more concerned with its own GM than Philly's

Thread title: "Sam Hinkie: The anti-Olshey"

You (after pages of making readers forget that Olshey exists): "Dude, you are the one making it very confusing if you are talking about Olshey or Morey (or both)"

What the fuck are you even talking about? For someone who claims everyone else has some sort of agenda you very rarely can engage in an actual discussion about basketball.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Waitaminute - you trash the Sixers for taking ROY Michael Carter-Williams over Giannis when we took CJ over Giannis and it's the "jackpot"? Sixers could probably have flipped MCW for a lottery pick if they'd done it soon enough.

Also: can't blame Hinkie for trading up for Fultz instead of staying put for Donovan Mitchell - he'd been fired long since.

I believe they DID flip MCW for a lotto pick. The vaunted lakers pick if I remember correctly.

 

[jlprk]

What the fuck are you even talking about? For someone who claims everyone else has some sort of agenda you very rarely can engage in an actual discussion about basketball. Why don't you try that instead of making posts with the pure intention of being an asshole?

So you see no contradiction between

Thread title: "Sam Hinkie: The anti-Olshey"

and

Dude, you are the one making it very confusing if you are talking about Olshey or Morey (or both) in your posts.

 

[jlprk]

What the fuck are you even talking about? For someone who claims everyone else has some sort of agenda you very rarely can engage in an actual discussion about basketball. Why don't you try that instead of making posts with the pure intention of being an asshole?

All this, just because I talked about Olshey and you tried to turn me to talk about Morey, who's not even in the thread title.

 

[hoopsjock]

So you see no contradiction between



and

I asked you if Morey was a good GM. You responded that you didn't like the way he acts but that doesn't answer the question. Every subsequent response was about Olshey when I was asking your opinion on Morey. I really don't understand why that is so fucking hard for you to comprehend and answer.

 

[hoopsjock]

All this, just because I talked about Olshey and you tried to turn me to talk about Morey, who's not even in the thread title.

I was simply asking your opinion on Morey as a GM, why the fuck do you have to turn it into something this isn't?

 

[jlprk]

@jlprk

Maybe you, but I've never taken a psychiatric medicine in my life. I've worked a little in the field, and you wouldn't call smart people crazy if you knew what truly crazy people are like.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

The philosophy would have to be altered but Hinkie's approach is what's needed. Neil's moves have entrenched this team in purgatory for at least the next 2-3 years.

Sam's objective is to build a power, not a nice little team that'll be a thorn in the side of powers/contenders of the West. He wants to be a power - not just 'good enough.'

 

[jlprk]

I was simply asking your opinion on Morey as a GM, why the fuck do you have to turn it into something this isn't?

And I answered a couple of times, and you kept repeating that I hadn't answered. After losing that encounter, you now resort to playing victim.

 

[hoopsjock]

And I answered a couple of times, and you kept repeating that I hadn't answered. After losing that encounter, you now resort to playing victim.

No, your answers were about the type of person he is and then turned into Olshey bashing. The only true answer I got was your stupid post about how you thought the conversation went.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Maybe you, but I've never taken a psychiatric medicine in my life. I've worked a little in the field, and you wouldn't call smart people crazy if you knew what truly crazy people are like.

Every post you make, makes you sound exactly the same as Olshey. You constantly feel the need to try to tell people how smart you are. You think everyone else is beneath you. You never actually bring facts to the table, just incoherent bloviating.
You can't give a straight answer, you just talk around the issue. A couple days ago you said, "Olshey doesn't make any trade-deadline deals", Which I mentioned three trade-deadline deals he made, You then tried to come at me because I don't hate NO enough, which made me laugh so I'll give you that.
You're really ignorant if you think he hasn't done anything. He's done some good, some bad. I'm on the record saying that I'm ready to be done with NO, I don't buy his "plan".

I know exactly what crazy people are like, I volunteer with groups that work with severe mental disabilities, I had a brother with Downs. Also if your posts on here are anything to judge by your not as smart as you think you are (also sounds like Neil...).

 

[hoopsjock]

The philosophy would have to be altered but Hinkie's approach is what's needed. Neil's moves have entrenched this team in purgatory for at least the next 2-3 years.

Sam's objective is to build a power, not a nice little team that'll be a thorn in the side of powers/contenders of the West. He wants to be a power - not just 'good enough.'

Question: Why does Hinkie have to be the one who leads a complete tear down? Wouldn't you want an astute talent evaluator and a cap guru?

 

[jlprk]

You can't give a straight answer, you just talk around the issue. A couple days ago you said, "Olshey doesn't make any trade-deadline deals", Which I mentioned three trade-deadline deals he made, You then tried to come at me because I don't hate NO enough, which made me laugh so I'll give you that.

Wrong. You gave 3 examples covering his 6 or 8 years here (it feels like 80, I lost count). I noted that he lost badly in 2 of the 3 trades you listed (Batum and Barton), and that if 1 good deal was all you could find (Nurkic), then that proved my point that he is basically tradeless in his many years here. I gave a good solid answer.

 

[JoshuaHall]

So they didn't draft well and it still succeeded. Hmm...

You have an interesting definition of success if you think Philadelphia ‘succeeded’. They’ve won, literally, nothing. They’re also down 0-2 to a team that is missing its best players.

It’s equivalent to the Pelicans cheering like they just won the championship after beating us in the first round then exclaiming, ‘we don’t need Demarcus!’

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Wrong. You gave 3 examples covering his 6 or 8 years here (it feels like 80, I lost count). I noted that he lost badly in 2 of the 3 trades you listed (Batum and Barton), and that if 1 good deal was all you could find (Nurkic), then that proved my point that he is basically tradeless in his many years here. I gave a good solid answer.

But that is literally not tradeless, you can argue if they were good or bad moves but that wasn’t the arguemeant. Also it was Vonleh now Batum. You really have no answers. Now it’s basically tradeless because you’re a moving target. I don’t really like NO, so I’m not going to sit here and defend all he’s done, but every GM in the league has been and will always be hit and miss, all of them have decided to stand pat at trade deadline time at one point or another. Just as annoying as a lack of moves are a plethora of bad moves, remember Bob whittsit.

 

[jlprk]

But that is literally not tradeless, you can argue if they were good or bad moves but that wasn’t the arguemeant. Also it was Vonleh now Batum. You really have no answers. Now it’s basically tradeless because you’re a moving target. I don’t really like NO, so I’m not going to sit here and defend all he’s done, but every GM in the league has been and will always be hit and miss, all of them have decided to stand pat at trade deadline time at one point or another. Just as annoying as a lack of moves are a plethora of bad moves, remember Bob whittsit.

There is no moving target. We need a guy running the show who DOES something. Olshey lets the cake bake, instead of continuously trying to improve our roster. The years go by. He cites a few additional wins each season. But those don't happen because of effort from him. They happen because the stagnant roster knows each other better. If he would input a winning trade each season (not the losing ones you praise, and so few) it would accelerate our gains in wins.

Can you honestly say that if we had had no GM during the Olshey years, our trades would have been worse? I mean, the Scouting Director would have at least made all of one good trade like Olshey did. HCP would have done the same, relying upon his staff for advice, or better, this board. Olshey may be the worst GM in terms of trades per year in history. Paul Allen should sue him, and Denny should have this board join the case.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

There is no moving target. We need a guy running the show who DOES something. Olshey lets the cake bake, instead of continuously trying to improve our roster. The years go by. He cites a few additional wins each season. But those don't hapyn because of effort from him. They happen because the stagnant roster knows each other better. If he would input a winning trade each season (not the losing ones you praise, and so few) it would accelerate our gains in wins.

Can you honestly say that if we had had no GM during the Olshey years, our trades would have been worse? I mean, the Scouting Director would have at least made one good trade like Olshey did. HCP would have done the same, relying upon his staff for advice, or better, this board. Olshey may be the worst GM in terms of trades per year in history. Paul Allen should sue him, and Denny should have this board join the case.

How in the world would I know what our roster would look like if we had a different GM the last few years, or no GM. Would it be better, or worse.... or what trades would be made. I have no idea and neither do you.
I don’t buy into NO at this point and I’m ready to see a new GM, but at the same time NO has drafted Dame and CJ, Aminu is on a good, contract, trading for Nurkic was an upgrade, Harkless’ contract is fair.

 

[Gronk Brady]

There is no moving target. We need a guy running the show who DOES something. Olshey lets the cake bake, instead of continuously trying to improve our roster. The years go by. He cites a few additional wins each season. But those don't happen because of effort from him. They happen because the stagnant roster knows each other better. If he would input a winning trade each season (not the losing ones you praise, and so few) it would accelerate our gains in wins.

Can you honestly say that if we had had no GM during the Olshey years, our trades would have been worse? I mean, the Scouting Director would have at least made all of one good trade like Olshey did. HCP would have done the same, relying upon his staff for advice, or better, this board. Olshey may be the worst GM in terms of trades per year in history. Paul Allen should sue him, and Denny should have this board join the case.

I agree 100%... Olshey only makes minor deals... he is a coward IMO... does just enough to keep his job, but scared to take a risk to possible greatness... every year he says you can’t make a trade just to make a trade... the problem is he has been saying it for 6+ years... at some point if the deal still hasn’t been made maybe it’s the GM. This team is going nowhere fast as constructed... meaning the Dame/CJ combo

 

[jlprk]

I mean, I'm patient. I even go away for 2 days to let something happen. But when I return, HE'S STILL THERE!!

And HE STILL HASN'T MADE ANY TRADES!!

WHY do we pay this guy, year after year? I could USE the money!