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CupWizier said:
The government can be opened immediately with a simple signature from Trump, which is being held up by the Dems refusal to allow him to govern as he is Constitutionally authorized to do. The Dems are using the government as hostage. Democrats have always voted for a border wall in the past. They just don't want to allow Trump to fulfill his promise, and they don't want DACA restored by him. They famously lied to Americans when they promised complete immigration reform in exchange for 11 million amnesties from Reagan IN THE EIGHTIES, and they're lying every time their lips move now. This is a democracy not a dictatorship and swamprats in Congress can't use the American people as pawns.
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I fact-checked and corrected that for you. :cheers:
 
MARIS61 said:
I fact-checked and corrected that for you. :cheers:
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you are seriously in denial as you didn't fix anything but fabricate lies. Have some balls and post your own opinions rather than trying to degredate mine or others. Speaking of walls, they seem to be closing in on your boy and like any wild animal with no clue they strike out where they can and in this case, he is striking out at the American people and hurting them because he is pouting.
 
MARIS61 said:
CNN’s Jim Acosta mocked for accidentally proving that border walls work

By Brian Flood | Fox News
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CNN reporter Jim Acosta was mocked for accidentally proving that border walls work in a video he uploaded to Twitter.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi might want to confiscate someone’s selfie stick.

CNN’s Jim Acosta was mocked across social media on Thursday for posting a video that was meant to downplay President Trump's claims of a border crisis -- but ended up supporting his argument that border barriers improve security.

“Here are some of the steel slats that the president’s been talking about,” Acosta said while reporting from the southern border. “But as we’re walking along here, we’re not seeing any kind of imminent danger.”

The CNN reporter added, “There are no migrants trying to rush toward this fence.”

Acosta then declared there was “no sign of the national emergency that the president has been talking about” and it was “tranquil” near him. He captioned the video, “I found some steel slats down on the border. But I don’t see anything resembling a national emergency situation.. at least not in the McAllen TX area of the border where Trump will be today.”

CNN’s chief White House correspondent – who seemingly uploaded the video from a local Burger King – is in Texas awaiting Trump’s border visit. While Acosta often clashes with the president and his aides, pundits suggested he did the president a favor this time.

Media watchdogs were quick to point out that the CNN reporter’s video helps prove Trump’s point that a wall or barrier along the Southern border could help prevent illegal border crossings.

“Jim Acosta just posted one of the biggest self owns ever,” social media strategist Caleb Hull responded. ‘He's walking along the border where there's a wall in place talking about how there's nothing that ‘resembles a national emergency situation’ and ‘there's no migrants trying to rush.’ That's because there's a wall, Jim.”

Others swiping at Acosta included one of his former CNN colleagues Peter Hamby.

Earlier this week, White House adviser Kellyanne Conway scolded Acosta during a press gaggle, referring to him as a "smarta--" unliked by other reporters.

Acosta – who has emerged as a household name for grandstanding when Trump and members of his administration are made available to the press – has been praised by liberal comedians such as Jimmy Kimmel and even appeared in the most recent season of the Netflix political drama “House of Cards.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cn...for-accidently-proving-that-border-walls-work
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Here's what the News Hour says about a border wall:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/trump-says-walls-work-its-much-more-complicated
And here's Donnie jr. comparing immigrants to zoo animals:
 
Mediocre Man said:


Dems didn't seem to have an issue with a wall before
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Well, looks like now they'll get a dam instead.

I worked for the Corps for over a decade. The largest engineering organization in the world, whose spectacular works stand in countries around the globe.
It's gonna be a huge, beautiful dam. :cheers:

White House directs Army Corps of Engineers to look at ways to fund border security

By Gregg Re | Fox News

The White House has directed the Army Corps of Engineers to "look at possible ways of funding border security," Press Secretary Sarah Sanders told Fox News on Thursday night, as the ongoing partial federal government shutdown over money for a border wall is less than two days away from becoming the longest in the nation's history.

Separately, Fox News is told the White House directed the Corps to examine the February 2018 emergency supplemental, which included disaster relief for California, Florida, Texas, and Puerto Rico, among other states, to see what unspent funds could be diverted to a border wall, according to a congressional aide familiar with the matter.

Such a move still could require the president to declare a national emergency in order to access those funds to build a wall, because they were earmarked for a different purpose. The discussions with the Corps suggest the White House is closely looking at the possibility of declaring such an emergency, as Trump has floated repeatedly in recent days.

Sanders said Trump has not met with the Corps to discuss the matter.

Approximately $13.9 billion is available from the congressionally approved February 2018 supplemental spending bill, intended to cover natural disasters, and much of the available money comes from flood control projects, Fox News is told. The Military Construction appropriations bill could provide additional funding in the event of an emergency declaration.

Earlier Thursday, Trump told reporters, "I have the absolute right to declare a national emergency" and that, "if this doesn't work out...I would almost say definitely.”

The president, before and after his election, promised that Mexico "is going to pay for the wall." On Thursday, Trump -- reiterating a familiar argument in recent weeks -- said the favorable trade terms in the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA), signed last year but not yet law in the U.S., effectively fund the wall and fulfill that promise.

"When I say Mexico's gonna pay for the wall -- do you think they're going to write a check?" Trump asked. "No, they're paying for the wall in a great trade deal."

Texas Republican Sens. Ted Cruz and John Cornyn, speaking at a news conference after President Trump's visit to McAllen, Texas, later in the day, charged that the progressive wing of the Democratic Party was to blame for the partial shutdown and that no compromise seemed likely as a result.

"I think the president came down, number one, to listen -- to listen to law enforcement, to listen to Border Patrol -- but also to highlight the need for border security," Cruz told reporters. "Border security used to be in Washington an area where you find bipartisan agreement. It still is in Texas. Unfortunately, in Washington, we're in a different environment."

Cruz added: "The objection of Senate Democrats' to the president's proposal is not a substantive objection. "This was $5.7 billion for border security, including a physical barrier. Both Schumer and virtually all of the Senate Democrats previously voted for $40 billion for border security, including a physical barrier."

Schumer and other Democrats, including then-Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, supported the Secure Fence Act of 2006, which authorized the construction of some 700 miles of fencing at the border. As of 2015, virtually all of that fencing had been completed, according to government figures.

"Both Schumer and Pelosi feel captured by the extreme left of the Democratic Party, and so they have forced the shutdown," Cruz added.

Cornyn, Texas' senior senator, said security experts backed the need for a wall.

"Yeah, in some places we do need a physical barrier, because that's what the experts tell us -- that's what the Border Patrol tells us," Cornyn said. "I, for one, would rather listen to the experts than the politicians in Washington, D.C."

Should the White House move forward with an emergency declaration, it has a handful of legal routes to take. The National Emergencies Act grants the president broad authority to declare emergencies, and several federal laws then could clear a path for the White House to move ahead with building a wall.

One statute, 33 U.S. Code § 2293 - "Reprogramming during national emergencies," permits the president to "apply the resources of the Department of the Army’s civil works program, including funds, personnel, and equipment, to construct or assist in the construction, operation, maintenance, and repair of authorized civil works, military construction, and civil defense projects that are essential to the national defense."

Another law, 10 U.S. Code § 2808 - "Construction authority in the event of a declaration of war or national emergency," permits the secretary of defense, in a presidentially declared emergency, to use "funds that have been appropriated for military construction" for the purpose of undertaking "military construction projects."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wh...rps-of-engineers-ways-to-fund-border-security
 
I was going to paste a long article about the Rio Grande landowners ...some over 4-5 generations on the land and a Catholic Mission that dates back to the 1800s ...all are protesting any walls on their lands and have taken their case to the courts...Texas by and large is anti wall...they told Trump that today...the local border patrol showed Trump that all the drugs, weapons and contraband were coming in through the existing border stations and ports...not the rural areas..
 
MARIS61 said:
Well, looks like now they'll get a dam instead.

I worked for the Corps for over a decade. The largest engineering organization in the world, whose spectacular works stand in countries around the globe.
It's gonna be a huge, beautiful dam. :cheers:
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This is commendable...my father built expansion bridges after WWII over the Missouri River as a young man before he married. Very well built bridges it turns out.
 
MARIS61 said:
Dems can obstruct all they want, and be swept in 2020 because of it, but they stop Real Americans from finishing the Wall.

Triple-amputee Air Force veteran on mission to raise $1B for US-Mexico border wall
By Bradford Betz | Fox News

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Brian Kolfage, a disabled U.S. Air Force veteran, is raising money to help build a U.S.-Mexico border wall.

A triple amputee U.S. military veteran says he was inspired to raise money for President Trump’s U.S.-Mexico border wall after reading a New York Post article that questioned why no one had taken up the mantle.

In just three days, Brian Kolfage’s GoFundMe campaign, “We The People Will Fund The Wall,” has racked up more than $2 million from more than 34,000 people, with a goal of raising $1 billion.

"If the 63 million people who voted for Trump each pledge $80, we can build the wall," the page reads. "That equates to roughly 5Billion Dollars, even if we get half, that's half the wall. We can do this."

— Brian Kolfage, triple amputee U.S. military veteran
Kolfage wrote that the campaign has been in touch with the Trump administration “to secure a point of contact where all funds will go upon completion.”

“As a veteran who has given so much, 3 limbs, I feel deeply invested to this nation to ensure future generations have everything we have today,” Kolfage’s page reads. “Too many Americans have been murdered by illegal aliens and too many illegals are taking advantage of the United States taxpayers with no means of ever contributing to our society.”

He added: “Democrats are going to stall this project by every means possible and play political games to ensure President Trump doesn’t get his victory. They'd rather see President Trump fail than see America succeed. However, if we can fund a large portion of this wall, it will jumpstart things and will be less money Trump has to secure from our politicians.”

Kolfage is a retired U.S. Air Force member who served in Iraq. During his second deployment for Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2004, Kolfage was injured in a rocket attack at Balad Air Base. According to Kolfage's website, a 107mm rocket shell exploded about three feet away from him. Kolfage lost both legs and his right hand and required 11 months of therapy at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

Kolfage continued to serve in the Air Force for several more years and was assigned to Davis Monthan Air Force Base in Arizona as the base security manager. Kolfage is "the most severely wounded Airman to survive any war," his website states. He is now a motivational speaker and has appeared multiple times on FOX News.

Kolfage graduated from the University of Arizona's School of Architecture in 2014 and is now married with children.

The White House did not immediately respond to Fox News’ request for comment. This week, the White House retracted its $5 billion figure to fund the border wall amid a looming government shutdown.

“We have other ways that we can get to that $5 billion that we’ll work with Congress,” White House press secretary Sarah Sanders told Fox News on Tuesday.

BORDER WALL EFFORT GETTING BOOST FROM US SHERIFFS' CROWDFUNDING SITE

Kolfage's campaign is not the first crowdfunding effort to raise money for the border wall. In September the National Sheriff's Association launched a website for donations. As of mid-December, the website has garnered nearly $160,000.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/veteran-launches-gofundme-campaign-to-help-fund-border-wall
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Veteran behind GoFundMe for Trump's wall allegedly pocketed money meant for wounded veterans

The veteran who set up the GoFundMe for President Trump's border wall allegedly pocketed money meant for wounded veterans in the past, according to a new Buzzfeed News investigation.

Brian Kolfage, a triple amputee and Purple Heart recipient, reportedly previously spearheaded a crowdfunding campaign that raised thousands of dollars for an effort to mentor veterans at military hospitals.

Kolfage's fundraising effort for Trump's proposed border wall has so far received more than $20 million of a $1 billion goal from 334,860 donations.

Representatives at the military hospitals told Buzzfeed News that they did not have a record of Kolfage donating the money or working at their facilities.

GoFundMe spokesman Bobby Whithorne confirmed to Buzzfeed News that Kolfage in 2015 launched a GoFundMe that raised $16,246 under the premise that the money would go to a veteran mentorship program. Whitorne said the money went directly to Kolfage.

Kolfage in Facebook posts that have been deleted said that he was working with Walter Reed, Brooke Army Medical Center, and Landstuhl Regional Medical Center. Representatives for the centers told Buzzfeed News that they don't have record of Kolfage working with veterans at their facilities.

“We do not have a record of Mr. Kolfage visiting Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in any official capacity after 2012,” Chief of Public Affairs at Landstuhl Gia Oney told the online outlet. “We have no record of a donation made in his name to Landstuhl Regional Medical Center.”

Kolfage additionally has documented history of running websites that promoted right-wing conspiracy theories and racist content online, media reports have uncovered.

Lindsay Lowery, who worked as an employee at one of Kolfage's largest conservative news websites in 2017, told Buzzfeed News that she feels he is mostly concerned with enriching himself and increasing his profile.

“After I started challenging some of his business decisions that I felt were reckless for the company and for my career, the real Brian emerged,” Lowery told the outlet. “Everything is only about his ‘war hero’ persona and money. If there’s a perceived slight on his part, he viciously attacks people...and, in my case, tries to destroy their life and livelihood.”

Buzzfeed News reviewed text messages and emails between Kolfage and former employees that show he pushed writers to sensationalize stories.

During one exchange, Lowery pushed back on Kolfage's demand that she "get creative" when choosing an image for an article that claimed former FBI Director James Comey "committed treason."

“So get creative like using fake photoshopped images?” she responded, Buzzfeed News reported. “I was kind of taken back at this...”

“Yup it’s just a graphic. Best story of [the] day,” Kolfage said, according to the outlet.

“It’s fake,” she said. "I don't see how this [is] making us a legit website."

“That’s not for u to worry about,” he replied.

Many of the Facebook pages for Kolfage's conservative ventures were removed from the platform in October of last year as part of a sweep to remove fake news.

Kolfage declined to comment for the Buzzfeed News report.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...d-gofundme-for-trumps-wall-allegedly-pocketed
 
I want to start a GoFundMe to fence my back acreage...for protection from invasion..pm me with your cash contributions
 
Trump says he didn't say Mexico would write US a check for border wall. But he did

As his border wall fight with Democrats continues, President Donald Trump finds himself in the awkward position of having to explain what happened to the idea that Mexico would pay all the costs.

Trump tried to dance out of the apparent contradiction on the White House lawn Jan. 10, the 20th day of a partial government shutdown.

"When during the campaign I would say ‘Mexico is going to pay for it,’ obviously, I never said this, and I never meant they're going to write out a check," Trump told reporters. "I said they're going to pay for it. They are."

Later on the same day while visiting the border in Texas, Trump offered the same logic: "When I say Mexico is going to pay for the wall, that's what I said. Mexico is going to pay. I didn't say they're going to write me a check for $20 billion or $10 billion."

We’ve seen the president try to say he never said something that he very much said before, so we wondered about this case.

Spoiler: Trump has it wrong.

We found several instances over the last few years, and in campaign materials contradicting the president’s statement.

In an April 2016 memo, Trump’s campaign outlined the steps he could take to get Mexico to pay for the wall.

"It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year," the memo said.

Trump proposed measures to compel Mexico to pay for the wall, such as cutting off remittances sent from undocumented Mexicans in the U.S. via wire transfers.

Then, the memo says, if and when the Mexican government protested, they would be told to pay a lump sum "to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect." The plan lists a few other methods if that didn’t work, like the trade deficit, canceling Mexican visas or increasing visa fees. (Experts have told us there isn’t a connection between the U.S.-Mexico trade deficit and finding money for a wall.)

Trump has amended his "Mexico will pay" pledge many times, though this is the first day we’ve heard him deny that he once called for a large check.

The earliest mention we could find of him pitching a Mexico-funded wall came during a visit to New Hampshire in April 2015 (hat-tip Washington Post). He said he would "take it out" of the trade deficit: "I will take it from out of just a small fraction of the money they’ve been screwing us for over the last number of years."

Then he outlined the lump-sum-in-exchange-for-allowing-remittances idea. As president, he has also thrown out "reimbursement/other," the trade deficit and a "solar wall" that would cut down on Mexico’s bill.

More recently, including during his border trip, Trump says the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USCMA) trade deal will result in Mexico "indirectly" paying for the wall. That argument is also faulty: The deal has not been ratified by each country’s legislature, it lacks new tariffs on Mexican goods coming into the country, and the benefits would go to private businesses.

We’ve compiled a number of his mentions here:

"I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me, and I’ll build them very inexpensively, I will build a great, great wall on our southern border. And I will have Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words." - Trump presidential announcement speech, June 16, 2015

"And, you know, we're building a wall. And it's going to be a great wall. OK? And, by the way, Mexico will pay for it." - CBS Face the Nation, Aug. 23, 2015

"They said, ‘The president of Mexico said they will not, under any circumstance, pay for the wall, what is your comment?’ I said, ‘the wall just got 10 feet higher.’" - Tampa rally, Feb. 12, 2016

"We have a trade deficit with Mexico, that’s why Mexico is going to pay for the wall .. It’s 100 percent … We have a trade deficit with Mexico of $58 billion a year, the wall is going to cost $10 billion. You’re telling me I can’t make that deal? That’s an easy deal."- Trump press conference, March 8, 2016

"We’re going to build a wall, we’re going to build a wall. And Mexico, as sure as you’re standing here, Mexico is going to pay for the wall." - Trump rally in Kansas City, MO, March 12, 2016

"Mexico will pay for the wall!" - Trump tweet, Sept. 1, 2016

"I want to get the wall started. I don’t want to wait a year and a half until I make my deal with Mexico … so in order to get the wall started, Mexico will pay for it, but it’ll be reimbursed." - Trump press conference, Jan. 11, 2017

"Ultimately, it'll come out of what's happening with Mexico. We're going to be starting those negotiations relatively soon. And we will be in a form reimbursed by Mexico, which I've always said." - ABC News interview with David Muir, Jan. 25, 2017

"Well, we're working on a tax reform bill that will reduce our trade deficits, increase American exports and will generate revenue from Mexico that will pay for the wall if we decide to go that route." - Republican retreat in Philadelphia, Jan. 26, 2017

"Eventually, but at a later date so we can get started early, Mexico will be paying, in some form, for the badly needed border wall." - Trump tweet, April 23, 2017

"We're talking about the southern border, lots of sun, lots of heat. We're thinking about building the wall as a solar wall so it creates energy and pays for itself. And this way, Mexico will have to pay much less money." - Trump rally in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, June 21, 2017

"With Mexico being one of the highest crime Nations in the world, we must have THE WALL. Mexico will pay for it through reimbursement/other." - Trump tweet, Aug. 27, 2017

"One way or the other, Mexico is going to pay for the wall. That’s right. It may be through reimbursement, but one way or the other, Mexico will pay for the wall." - Joint press conference with Finland President Sauli Niinistö, August 28, 2017

"I don't want to cause a problem. I don't want to cause it. But, in the end -- in the end, Mexico is going to pay for the wall." Trump rally in Nashville, TN, May 29, 2018

"I often stated, ‘One way or the other, Mexico is going to pay for the Wall.’ This has never changed. Our new deal with Mexico (and Canada), the USMCA, is so much better than the old, very costly & anti-USA NAFTA deal, that just by the money we save, MEXICO IS PAYING FOR THE WALL!" - Trump tweet, Dec. 13, 2018

Our ruling
Trump said, "When I say Mexico is going to pay for the wall, that's what I said. Mexico is going to pay. I didn't say they're going to write me a check for $20 billion or $10 billion."

Trump’s campaign called a one-time payment of $5 billion-$10 billion "an easy decision for Mexico." The country’s other option would be to lose billions more in impounded remittances from immigrants working in the United States and increased fees on U.S. temporary visas and border crossing cards.

Trump as president has thrown out a number of other ways for Mexico to pay for the wall. Now he says it will be "indirect" through the trade deal (though that’s unsupported).

But his rewrite of a famous campaign pitch doesn’t clear. We rate this statement False.
 
Why don't y'all CARE that your president lied about our FREE WALL???
 
dviss1 said:
Trump says he didn't say Mexico would write US a check for border wall. But he did

As his border wall fight with Democrats continues, President Donald Trump finds himself in the awkward position of having to explain what happened to the idea that Mexico would pay all the costs.

Trump tried to dance out of the apparent contradiction on the White House lawn Jan. 10, the 20th day of a partial government shutdown.

"When during the campaign I would say ‘Mexico is going to pay for it,’ obviously, I never said this, and I never meant they're going to write out a check," Trump told reporters. "I said they're going to pay for it. They are."

Later on the same day while visiting the border in Texas, Trump offered the same logic: "When I say Mexico is going to pay for the wall, that's what I said. Mexico is going to pay. I didn't say they're going to write me a check for $20 billion or $10 billion."

We’ve seen the president try to say he never said something that he very much said before, so we wondered about this case.

Spoiler: Trump has it wrong.

We found several instances over the last few years, and in campaign materials contradicting the president’s statement.

In an April 2016 memo, Trump’s campaign outlined the steps he could take to get Mexico to pay for the wall.

"It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year," the memo said.

Trump proposed measures to compel Mexico to pay for the wall, such as cutting off remittances sent from undocumented Mexicans in the U.S. via wire transfers.

Then, the memo says, if and when the Mexican government protested, they would be told to pay a lump sum "to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect." The plan lists a few other methods if that didn’t work, like the trade deficit, canceling Mexican visas or increasing visa fees. (Experts have told us there isn’t a connection between the U.S.-Mexico trade deficit and finding money for a wall.)

Trump has amended his "Mexico will pay" pledge many times, though this is the first day we’ve heard him deny that he once called for a large check.

The earliest mention we could find of him pitching a Mexico-funded wall came during a visit to New Hampshire in April 2015 (hat-tip Washington Post). He said he would "take it out" of the trade deficit: "I will take it from out of just a small fraction of the money they’ve been screwing us for over the last number of years."

Then he outlined the lump-sum-in-exchange-for-allowing-remittances idea. As president, he has also thrown out "reimbursement/other," the trade deficit and a "solar wall" that would cut down on Mexico’s bill.

More recently, including during his border trip, Trump says the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USCMA) trade deal will result in Mexico "indirectly" paying for the wall. That argument is also faulty: The deal has not been ratified by each country’s legislature, it lacks new tariffs on Mexican goods coming into the country, and the benefits would go to private businesses.

We’ve compiled a number of his mentions here:

"I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me, and I’ll build them very inexpensively, I will build a great, great wall on our southern border. And I will have Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words." - Trump presidential announcement speech, June 16, 2015

"And, you know, we're building a wall. And it's going to be a great wall. OK? And, by the way, Mexico will pay for it." - CBS Face the Nation, Aug. 23, 2015

"They said, ‘The president of Mexico said they will not, under any circumstance, pay for the wall, what is your comment?’ I said, ‘the wall just got 10 feet higher.’" - Tampa rally, Feb. 12, 2016

"We have a trade deficit with Mexico, that’s why Mexico is going to pay for the wall .. It’s 100 percent … We have a trade deficit with Mexico of $58 billion a year, the wall is going to cost $10 billion. You’re telling me I can’t make that deal? That’s an easy deal."- Trump press conference, March 8, 2016

"We’re going to build a wall, we’re going to build a wall. And Mexico, as sure as you’re standing here, Mexico is going to pay for the wall." - Trump rally in Kansas City, MO, March 12, 2016

"Mexico will pay for the wall!" - Trump tweet, Sept. 1, 2016

"I want to get the wall started. I don’t want to wait a year and a half until I make my deal with Mexico … so in order to get the wall started, Mexico will pay for it, but it’ll be reimbursed." - Trump press conference, Jan. 11, 2017

"Ultimately, it'll come out of what's happening with Mexico. We're going to be starting those negotiations relatively soon. And we will be in a form reimbursed by Mexico, which I've always said." - ABC News interview with David Muir, Jan. 25, 2017

"Well, we're working on a tax reform bill that will reduce our trade deficits, increase American exports and will generate revenue from Mexico that will pay for the wall if we decide to go that route." - Republican retreat in Philadelphia, Jan. 26, 2017

"Eventually, but at a later date so we can get started early, Mexico will be paying, in some form, for the badly needed border wall." - Trump tweet, April 23, 2017

"We're talking about the southern border, lots of sun, lots of heat. We're thinking about building the wall as a solar wall so it creates energy and pays for itself. And this way, Mexico will have to pay much less money." - Trump rally in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, June 21, 2017

"With Mexico being one of the highest crime Nations in the world, we must have THE WALL. Mexico will pay for it through reimbursement/other." - Trump tweet, Aug. 27, 2017

"One way or the other, Mexico is going to pay for the wall. That’s right. It may be through reimbursement, but one way or the other, Mexico will pay for the wall." - Joint press conference with Finland President Sauli Niinistö, August 28, 2017

"I don't want to cause a problem. I don't want to cause it. But, in the end -- in the end, Mexico is going to pay for the wall." Trump rally in Nashville, TN, May 29, 2018

"I often stated, ‘One way or the other, Mexico is going to pay for the Wall.’ This has never changed. Our new deal with Mexico (and Canada), the USMCA, is so much better than the old, very costly & anti-USA NAFTA deal, that just by the money we save, MEXICO IS PAYING FOR THE WALL!" - Trump tweet, Dec. 13, 2018

Our ruling
Trump said, "When I say Mexico is going to pay for the wall, that's what I said. Mexico is going to pay. I didn't say they're going to write me a check for $20 billion or $10 billion."

Trump’s campaign called a one-time payment of $5 billion-$10 billion "an easy decision for Mexico." The country’s other option would be to lose billions more in impounded remittances from immigrants working in the United States and increased fees on U.S. temporary visas and border crossing cards.

Trump as president has thrown out a number of other ways for Mexico to pay for the wall. Now he says it will be "indirect" through the trade deal (though that’s unsupported).

But his rewrite of a famous campaign pitch doesn’t clear. We rate this statement False.
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So uh, I keep reading this and still can't find where he ever said Mexico was going to "write a check"
 
I do see him saying they would make a one time payment at some point after we threatened to tax or stop remittances or some such thing. Still not just writing a check.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
I do see him saying they would make a one time payment at some point after we threatened to tax or stop remittances or some such thing. Still not just writing a check.
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I love the word play of trump supporters to defend his lies.

Actually i was being sarcastic. It's really pathetically sad in a funny way.
 
CupWizier said:
I love the word play of trump supporters to defend his lies.

Actually i was being sarcastic. It's really pathetically sad in a funny way.
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It's pathetic that people have to lie about what he said by saying that he said what he said when he says it again. And then you claim what he said is false when it is 100 percent accurate. I'm not saying they'll pay for it and I don't even want a full wall across the whole border.

From the "article" and what all the fuss is about.

When during the campaign I would say ‘Mexico is going to pay for it,’ obviously, I never said this, and I never meant they're going to write out a check," Trump told reporters. "I said they're going to pay for it. They are."


.... This is what you people are crying about? Really?


They picked another statement from the same day to use to say he lied.
 
MARIS61 said:
Well, looks like now they'll get a dam instead.

I worked for the Corps for over a decade. The largest engineering organization in the world, whose spectacular works stand in countries around the globe.
It's gonna be a huge, beautiful dam. :cheers:

White House directs Army Corps of Engineers to look at ways to fund border security

By Gregg Re | Fox News

The White House has directed the Army Corps of Engineers to "look at possible ways of funding border security," Press Secretary Sarah Sanders told Fox News on Thursday night, as the ongoing partial federal government shutdown over money for a border wall is less than two days away from becoming the longest in the nation's history.

Separately, Fox News is told the White House directed the Corps to examine the February 2018 emergency supplemental, which included disaster relief for California, Florida, Texas, and Puerto Rico, among other states, to see what unspent funds could be diverted to a border wall, according to a congressional aide familiar with the matter.

Such a move still could require the president to declare a national emergency in order to access those funds to build a wall, because they were earmarked for a different purpose. The discussions with the Corps suggest the White House is closely looking at the possibility of declaring such an emergency, as Trump has floated repeatedly in recent days.

Sanders said Trump has not met with the Corps to discuss the matter.

Approximately $13.9 billion is available from the congressionally approved February 2018 supplemental spending bill, intended to cover natural disasters, and much of the available money comes from flood control projects, Fox News is told. The Military Construction appropriations bill could provide additional funding in the event of an emergency declaration.

Earlier Thursday, Trump told reporters, "I have the absolute right to declare a national emergency" and that, "if this doesn't work out...I would almost say definitely.”

The president, before and after his election, promised that Mexico "is going to pay for the wall." On Thursday, Trump -- reiterating a familiar argument in recent weeks -- said the favorable trade terms in the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA), signed last year but not yet law in the U.S., effectively fund the wall and fulfill that promise.

"When I say Mexico's gonna pay for the wall -- do you think they're going to write a check?" Trump asked. "No, they're paying for the wall in a great trade deal."

Texas Republican Sens. Ted Cruz and John Cornyn, speaking at a news conference after President Trump's visit to McAllen, Texas, later in the day, charged that the progressive wing of the Democratic Party was to blame for the partial shutdown and that no compromise seemed likely as a result.

"I think the president came down, number one, to listen -- to listen to law enforcement, to listen to Border Patrol -- but also to highlight the need for border security," Cruz told reporters. "Border security used to be in Washington an area where you find bipartisan agreement. It still is in Texas. Unfortunately, in Washington, we're in a different environment."

Cruz added: "The objection of Senate Democrats' to the president's proposal is not a substantive objection. "This was $5.7 billion for border security, including a physical barrier. Both Schumer and virtually all of the Senate Democrats previously voted for $40 billion for border security, including a physical barrier."

Schumer and other Democrats, including then-Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, supported the Secure Fence Act of 2006, which authorized the construction of some 700 miles of fencing at the border. As of 2015, virtually all of that fencing had been completed, according to government figures.

"Both Schumer and Pelosi feel captured by the extreme left of the Democratic Party, and so they have forced the shutdown," Cruz added.

Cornyn, Texas' senior senator, said security experts backed the need for a wall.

"Yeah, in some places we do need a physical barrier, because that's what the experts tell us -- that's what the Border Patrol tells us," Cornyn said. "I, for one, would rather listen to the experts than the politicians in Washington, D.C."

Should the White House move forward with an emergency declaration, it has a handful of legal routes to take. The National Emergencies Act grants the president broad authority to declare emergencies, and several federal laws then could clear a path for the White House to move ahead with building a wall.

One statute, 33 U.S. Code § 2293 - "Reprogramming during national emergencies," permits the president to "apply the resources of the Department of the Army’s civil works program, including funds, personnel, and equipment, to construct or assist in the construction, operation, maintenance, and repair of authorized civil works, military construction, and civil defense projects that are essential to the national defense."

Another law, 10 U.S. Code § 2808 - "Construction authority in the event of a declaration of war or national emergency," permits the secretary of defense, in a presidentially declared emergency, to use "funds that have been appropriated for military construction" for the purpose of undertaking "military construction projects."

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You need to qualify that. The largest consulting engineering firm in the world is CH2MHill, started by a group of Oregon State engineering graduates. My nephew-in-law was one of their vice presidents. He was vice president of high tech.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
It's pathetic that people have to lie about what he said by saying that he said what he said when he says it again. And then you claim what he said is false when it is 100 percent accurate. I'm not saying they'll pay for it and I don't even want a full wall across the whole border.

From the "article" and what all the fuss is about.

When during the campaign I would say ‘Mexico is going to pay for it,’ obviously, I never said this, and I never meant they're going to write out a check," Trump told reporters. "I said they're going to pay for it. They are."


.... This is what you people are crying about? Really?


They picked another statement from the same day to use to say he lied.
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What's pathetic is being at his rallys, yelling MEXICO!!!!

And then swallowing that WE'RE paying for it.

That's fucking pathetic.
 
dviss1 said:
What's pathetic is being at his rallys, yelling MEXICO!!!!

And then swallowing that WE'RE paying for it.

That's fucking pathetic.
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No, what's pathetic is arguing with people who don't want the wall in the first place by....

A. Lying about what he said and keeps rambling on about. It is quite clear from reading your "fact check" garbage that he never said he was just gonna tell Mexico to write a check and that he expected them to do so (edit, I mean pay us before we used some form of blackmail if you will like taxing remittances) The quote they are fact checking doesn't even make sense on it's face. A 70 year old man fumbled his sentences. Big deal. Take out the write a check part and he basically says "I never said Mexico is gonna pay for it, I said Mexico is gonna pay for it and they are"

B. Arguing with me about wasting money. Over 5 billion out of a gazullion dollars of waste.

I bet you if you put each thing we're going to spend money on in any of these stopgap spending bills on their own line I'd veto half of them if not more.

Probably 80 percent.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
No, what's pathetic is arguing with people who don't want the wall in the first place by....

A. Lying about what he said and keeps rambling on about. It is quite clear from reading your "fact check" garbage that he never said he was just gonna tell Mexico to write a check and that he expected them to do so (edit, I mean pay us before we used some form of blackmail if you will like taxing remittances) The quote they are fact checking doesn't even make sense on it's face. A 70 year old man fumbled his sentences. Big deal. Take out the write a check part and he basically says "I never said Mexico is gonna pay for it, I said Mexico is gonna pay for it and they are"

B. Arguing with me about wasting money. Over 5 billion out of a gazullion dollars of waste.

I bet you if you put each thing we're going to spend money on in any of these stopgap spending bills on their own line I'd veto half of them if not more.

Probably 80 percent.
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You know what, fuck you.

Calling me a liar.

Call your fucking president one when he said Mexico would pay for the wall.

There is no other way for them to pay!

This bullshit about trade deals shows how idiotic he and his followers are.
 
dviss1 said:
You know what, fuck you.

Calling me a liar.

Call your fucking president one when he said Mexico would pay for the wall.

There is no other way for them to pay!

This bullshit about trade deals shows how idiotic he and his followers are.
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I said your politifact article is a lie and it is.

Copy and paste the paragraph they "fact checked" and read it again and again until you understand why.

Please don't move the target back to whether Mexico could actually be made to pay for it because that is another matter.
 
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