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MrJayremmie said:
We do not need 3 players that deserve PT at every position...

We don't need Blake, Sergio, Bayless JUST at PG... We don't need Batum, Webster and Outlaw JUST at SF... We don't really need Aldridge, Frye and Diogu just at PF..

We can get value for them instead of lettin' them rot on the bench with potential chemistry problems.
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I know your argument. We have discussed it many times (I am "Chairman" from the other site) And as they say, we will have to agree to disagree. LOL

I just don't think we have too many players at any position. Especially with our history of injuries. Blake and Bayless can both play some 2. Five players for two positions is not too many. I agree with most that Bayless is the future and Blake will be a good back up, but you still will need three PG's in a 15 man roster. And Bayless is not yet ready to run the team.

I do say move Sergio if he is unhappy, I just don't think we need to consolidate.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Not a chance. He'd get even fewer minutes(likely zero) under Larry Brown than under Nate McMillan. Brown is a coach that preaches the value of EVERY possession at BOTH ends of the floor.

BNM
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Way to take the "maybe" out of my quote ... I would find it extremely unlikely, but Sergio has at least shown an improved ability to take care of the ball and reduce the boneheaded turnovers, and it's not like Augustin or Felton are exactly lockdown defenders.
 
The problem with everybody discovering their role with the team is that we probably have at 11 guys on the roster who are deserving of minutes, and with Nate tightening up his rotation down to 8 or 9 plus guys like Brandon, Rudy, LMA, Blake, Travis/Martell and Greg (once he comes back) all likely to get the bulk of available time, there's precious little to get spread around for guys like Channing, Nicolas, Bayless, Sergio, Joel and Ike ... and it's probably better for a guy to get a DNP than get thrown out there for 5 minutes where they are going to feel rushed and have no chance to develop any kind of rhythm.
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Yeah. That is where the problem is, we have 2-3 players at EVEYR POSITION who deserve PT and 20mpg at least... that just isn't happeneing. We should be at 10 max...

Bayless/Blake/Sergio (gotta make a decision), Roy, Rudy
Batum, Webster
Aldridge, Outlaw
Oden, Przybilla

That is the 9 players we should keep, imo and consolidate the rest... We can keep someone like Blake and leave him on the bench and he can play spot minutes.


I know your argument. We have discussed it many times (I am "Chairman" from the other site) And as they say, we will have to agree to disagree. LOL

I juts don't think we have too many players at any position. Especially with our history of injuries. Blake and Bayless can both play some 2. Five players for two positions is not too many. I agree with most that Bayless is the future and Blake will be a good back up, but you still will need three PG's in a 15 man roster. And Bayless is not yet ready to run the team.

I do say move Sergio if he is unhappy, I just don't think we need to consolidate.
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Yeah, you are right that 3 players at each position isn't the problem. But 3 at every position that EXPECT minutes is a problem to chemistry... a serious problem as signs are already coming out 5 games into the year... and Oden and Webster (who WILL be in the rotation) aren't even back yet... yet we have a 10 man rotation already? That is tough...
 
This is shocking to me. I thought Sergio was much happier this year: he's got a good pal in Rudy on the team now, and he's the #2 point guard since Jarrett is gone. Also the "Spanish connection" is becoming a play we see pretty much every game now.

As someone else said, I also worry about how Rudy feels about this. After all, Sergio was part of what convinced Rudy to come over in the first place..
 
Rastapopoulos said:
When Nate was in Seattle, he was forced to play more uptempo because he had a player at PG (Ridnour) who was actually pretty similar to Sergio, and maybe even a worse defender.
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While Ridnour isn't a great shooter, he's a much better shooter than Sergio. He's been pretty consistent at a TS% right around 0.500 his entire career. Sergio wasn't bad his rookie year (TS% = 0.493), but has gotten progressively worse (0.423, 0.364) once opposing teams realized they could just back off him and dare him to shoot the wide open jumper. Ridnour also gets to the line with reasonable frequency, and once there makes his FTs (career FT% = 0.854). This is another weakness of Sergio's. He doesn't get to the line, and the few times he does, he doesn't make his FTs (Joel Przybilla shot a higher FT% than Sergio last season).

BNM
 
Can't we trade Blake instead? Everyone's been complaining about Blake (his shooting's okay, but he's too slow and unimaginative) and the team didn't look bad in preseason when Blake was out. Sergio's problem is that Nate isn't giving him enough minutes to get comfortable. If Nate didn't have Blake to give minutes to, we'd find out quickly either
(a) whether Sergio can look better given extended minutes, OR
(b) whether Roy and Rudy can play together for extended minutes, OR
(c) how ready Bayless is to contribute.

I've been a Blake defender, but he just isn't that great. Keeping him is a crutch that allows Nate to justify playing slowdown ball. When Nate was in Seattle, he was forced to play more uptempo because he had a player at PG (Ridnour) who was actually pretty similar to Sergio, and maybe even a worse defender.
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Problem is Blake is the only PG on the roster that should be starting, no matter how average he is. Sergio isn't a starter, he is energy off the bench in a limited role, Bayless isn't ready to be a starter... Roy/Rudy shouldn't start in the backcourt... They can play together throughout the game a little and finish the game together (which is much more important than starting)... but putting one of them at the PG for the majority of the game isn't the answer imo... The lineups w/ Roy and Rudy (when one of them isn't playing SF) haven't been as good as I thought they would this year.

I think that is the main reason you see Blake soo much, because he really isn't that good of a player. He would be a solid backup though, but i'm not sure he would be that much of an improvement as a backup over Sergio.
 
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GS and NY are both great fits for Sergio. Both of them are looking to deal, so I am sure some wort of 3 way could get done with us sending out some more and getting Lee from the Knicks
 
If he has to go I would try and trade him for a draft pick.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I know your argument. We have discussed it many times (I am "Chairman" from the other site) And as they say, we will have to agree to disagree. LOL

I juts don't think we have too many players at any position. Especially with our history of injuries. Blake and Bayless can both play some 2. Five players for two positions is not too many. I agree with most that Bayless is the future and Blake will be a good back up, but you still will need three PG's in a 15 man roster. And Bayless is not yet ready to run the team.

I do say move Sergio if he is unhappy, I just don't think we need to consolidate.
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The problem isn't having three players at every position, it's having three players at every position who are all essentially the same age, who are all trying to establish themselves in the league. If we were talking about a mix of rookies and sophomores along with some guys in their late twenties and even a couple of thirty+ year olds, guys don't feel so bad waiting on the bench, because they feel like eventually older guys will move on, giving them an opportunity to step in and fill the gap. A team like the Blazers composed of almost everyone under 25 (aside from Joel and Blake -- Raef doesn't count) means there's no guarantee of getting a shot to play, and these guys want to play, not just collect a paycheck.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Way to take the "maybe" out of my quote ... I would find it extremely unlikely, but Sergio has at least shown an improved ability to take care of the ball and reduce the boneheaded turnovers, and it's not like Augustin or Felton are exactly lockdown defenders.
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"Maybe" or not, Sergio is the type of player Larry Brown loathes.

From Raymond Felton's draft profile at draftexpress.com:

"Defense: A great ball-hawk, pressuring his man the entire length of the floor and being a general nuisance when his man has the ball. Great lateral quickness. His ability to jump into passing lanes allows him to create some turnovers, though he tends to avoid taking unnecessary risks. A smart defender considering his experience level, and much of his ability can be contributed to his time at North Carolina."

Felton does get posted up by bigger guards, but at least he keeps his man in front of him and doesn't turn the game into a lay-up drill for the other team.

BNM
 
Mediocre Man said:
GS and NY are both great fits for Sergio. Both of them are looking to deal, so I am sure some wort of 3 way could get done with us sending out some more and getting Lee from the Knicks
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GS, NY and us? what kind of 3-way can we work? Harrington to NY, Lee to Blazers, TO or Frye and Sergio to GS? Does GS have a trade exception? do we need to add Raef to GS to make it work?
 
TehChad said:
This is shocking to me. I thought Sergio was much happier this year: he's got a good pal in Rudy on the team now, and he's the #2 point guard since Jarrett is gone. Also the "Spanish connection" is becoming a play we see pretty much every game now.

As someone else said, I also worry about how Rudy feels about this. After all, Sergio was part of what convinced Rudy to come over in the first place..
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I think the whole "buddies" angle is way overplayed. These guys want to play, and Rudy was convinced to come over when it was clear that he would have a large role to play ... not once did he mention that he came to the NBA to play with his friend (though I'm sure that's an added bonus).

I have a feeling Rudy would rather see Sergio traded so he can get some more PT, than have him languish on the bench.
 
Wow! I bet seeing his boy Rudy out there getting some run is frustrating him.
 
HispanicCausinPanic said:
Wow! I bet seeing his boy Rudy out there getting some run is frustrating him.
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The funny thing is, Rudy's probably as much to blame for him getting limited burn as anything. Rudy is eating up a ton of the "reserve" guard PT.
 
TehChad said:
This is shocking to me. I thought Sergio was much happier this year: he's got a good pal in Rudy on the team now, and he's the #2 point guard since Jarrett is gone. Also the "Spanish connection" is becoming a play we see pretty much every game now.

As someone else said, I also worry about how Rudy feels about this. After all, Sergio was part of what convinced Rudy to come over in the first place..
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Rudy is here and getting a lot of PT and doing well. I don't think he gives a shit about what Sergio says. He is prolly encouraging him to go get his minutes somewhere else.
 
A trade needs to be made period. We have a our future starting PG, Bayless (crosses fingers) sitting on the bench not playing a minute. He's way too good to not be playing.
 
Blazed said:
A trade needs to be made period. We have a our future starting PG, Bayless (crosses fingers) sitting on the bench not playing a minute. He's way too good to not be playing.
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I agree 100% and I think Bayless should at least get the 5-10 minute backup PG. I would actually like to see Sergio, LaFrenz and maybe Outlaw traded. I think if Bayless is going to learn to be our future PG and I think he is IMO we need to let him learn with the 5-10 minutes per game.
 
I'm a bit dissapointed as I really like Sergio. However, it's understandable. He's not getting a lot of play time, and we've got Bayless sitting on the bench not playing already. I doubt that lasts much longer as there's no doubt Bayless has the talent to play (and I'm really looking forward to seeing him get some minutes). When that happens, say goodbye to Sergio's minutes. There might not be a better time to trade Sergio than now anyways.

Lee would be a great pickup from NY. I'm drawing a blank on who from GS would interest us. Maybe Azubuike?

Honestly though, I doubt Sergio has a lot of value currently. At best I suspect we can get a late first round pick for him.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Then give them one. Lee is a player that would help us a lot.
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PG-Blake, Bayless
G-Roy, Rudy
SF-Marty, Outlaw, Batum
PF-L.A., Lee, Diogu, Randolph
C-Oden, Pryz

Not bad, I'd still move outlaw, blake, and raef for a better vet PG
 
Sergio's biggest asset really is his ability to throw that alley-oop to Rudy cutting baseline. I don't see any other Blazer who is willing to make that pass.
And Rudy does play a little more aggressively, running around screens and such when Sergio is on the floor because he knows he's going to get the ball.
I saw a little frustration on Rudy when Roy was dominating the ball at the end of the fourth and in OT. Rudy was open underneath the hoop on one play, and Roy had it and was bringing the ball up the court and didn't see him, and Rudy just threw his hands up kind of in frustration.

I'd hate to see Sergio go for Rudy's sake, at least for now as Rudy still adjusts to the NBA game and the rest of the team. But oh well, we'll see
 
Mediocre Man said:
Then give them one. Lee is a player that would help us a lot.
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For 1 season. If we could lock him up to a Webster style deal then I'd be all for it, but we'd need to make sure he'd be happy coming off the bench now and in the future.
 
Man, I was just starting to like Sergio again, but we do have Petteri overseas waiting to be the 3rd guard. I'd really push to send Blake out first. I truly hope this does not distract the team in ANY way. I really think Channing, Blake, Martell and Raef could be used to get a player in return to trim down the roster. With the way Travis and Rudy stroke threes, is making Marty a bit irrelevant?
 
Wow. This is a shocker. I thought Serg was happy. It makes sense though. Next year is his first chance to make a lot of money. Playing 11 minutes per game isn't going to give him the exposure to do so. The best he'd be able to hope for is a Travis-Outlaw-sized deal.

Where we can upgrade is at starting small forward. I've given up on the idea of a PG. I'd rather see Roy playing PG than SF. Batum isn't going to be slighted in the least if he's demoted to a reserve role. If we can package Sergio with a combination of Martell Webster, Channing Frye, Ike Diogu, Petteri Kopenen, Joel Freeland, or draft picks for one of the following:

- Andrei Kirilenko
- Gerald Wallace
- Michael Redd

It would be very difficult to deal with Utah, but suppose it's possible.

I'm excited to see what happens!
 
It's too bad... I'd prefer that all the players act like good soldiers and allow their career value to be crushed by rotting away on the bench for 40 minutes a game. :)

Sergio can't be blamed TOO much. Except for looking silly by asking for a trade when he probably has no value around the NBA.

He still could emerge as a Calderon-type of player. Jose didn't find his jumper until relatively late (he's 27 now and just has emerged as a starter in the NBA) and while it's not common it wouldn't be unprecedented for Sergio to do something similar.

The things that he has going for him (floor vision, creativity, good size for a PG) aren't going to go away... it's just a question of whether he ever discovers a reliable jumper.

Ed O.
 
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2008/11/pritchard_sergio_is_going_nowh.html

Sergio Rodriguez is not being traded any time soon, Trail Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard said Friday morning, despite a report in a Spanish newspaper that Rodriguez and his Spanish agent, Jose Ortiz, are demanding a trade.

"We like Sergio, and we are not in any discussions,'' Pritchard said. "We want to see this team, and we want to see this team grow. It's awfully early to be even talking about this stuff.''

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Pritchard said this is an "old story" and that internally the issue has "passed". He said he chooses not to deal with Ortiz, instead opting to talk with Rodriguez's American agent, Herb Rudoy.
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That makes me feel better, i really don't want to trade sergio.
 
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